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demaparbat-hp · 4 months ago
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Here I am, pushing the Jian Li (Akai Kotou! Zuko) = Jinshi (The Apothecary Diaries) agenda.
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forgottenroderick · 28 days ago
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forgottenguinevere 1d
So I have like a ~few thoughts here, but they're not huge ones. First thing first is I think it's possible that Guin knows about the Malconaire tie! It really depends on how far back any family trees that would be housed at Harburrow were traced! I don't think Guin has ever like... mentioned or used it, though, if she knew? Idk. My knee-jerk reaction is that it's recorded but like maybe under a badly transliterated name or smth so she didn't realize it was modern day Malconaire. RE: has Guin said she'd throw her hat in Arthur's ring - 100% she has done so, but I think *only* to Arthur. She knows that saying otherwise to Roderick would maybe lose her some protections, and I'm finding that Guin is holding a lot of very deep seeded grudges from her childhood towards Marian so probably wouldn't have said anything to *her* just to be spiteful and make her think Guin still wants the throne over Arthur. Idk if that would help sway anything one way or another with the idea of what to give Guin x Eoin, but! In the end, I'm here for whatever is the most fun plot-wise for the most people! Like yes, probably it would be a lil easier for me personally to have her given something new bc then we can just build whatever (again, not that Guin plans on living there if she has her way!! hahahaha) but if it's more fun for some shuffling of rulers, I'm here for the DRAMA.
forgotteneithne 1h
Soooo IF Rían had to shift from Lorcan to Malconaires, ngl Eithne would probably go to him and try to forge some sort of alliance there/agree to marry him? Honestly atp she’s like “my reputation is in shambles in the eyes of the varmonts so who cares?!” and if Rían would agree to like… throw out @forgottenvalentina (I DO think Eithne would want @forgottencassimir to get smth tho so maybe she’d suggest Rian give him Ormond? Esp since, as far as Eithne knows, Ormond has no lord! 🤦🏻‍♀️) and also she’d want Rian to make some promises abt caring for malconaire! But I do think it’s clear he needs like… PR help in Astaira, haha! And marrying Eithne who is pretty beloved outside of Varmont circles WOULD help? It would also be an insane betrayal of @forgotteneilionora but also like… would Eilia get it? Girls supporting girls? Gotta do our duty?
FOXE-MALCONAIRE
ooooh i love the idea that its like a...aella's mother was from the house of like ~malkarr or smth kinda thing and its like 'that was so long ago! no one's ever heard of them that house from across the waters or lands or whatever must be extinct!!' but...they aint it was just her accent or before standardized spelling or smth and they wrote it down in a way ppl wouldn't necessarily recognize today! esp since this was thousands of years ago and most of the story is ~already misremembered and yeah!! alksdjfjksdf idk just feels ultra fitting <33333 also def feeds into roderick being like 'malconaire literally does not matter except for its size' which is wildly wrong but i love it when roderick is wrong <33333333 fills me w sm glee lakjsdfjds
ARTHUR'S POLITICAL WEIGHT
ok so i def don't think @forgottenarthur would betray guin's secret if she swore him to secrecy, but i ~can def see him, if @forgottenmarian were talking abt guin's claim like 'don't worry abt that' *wink* which...frankly probs just comes off like him being cocky which...he is certainly known to be but!! here we are alksdjfkjsdf
but to answer ur question, it ~might sway things slightly in that i def think arthur would be like GUIN SHOULD GET THE FENS bc that'd give him a huge strategic advantage in the varmont civil war to come if, w guin allied w him, arthur's forces effectively controlled both kil-kennar and the fenns (that's literally the strategy roderick used to conquer astaira in the first place) unfortunately it ~might mean he'll have to ally w @forgottencassimir since the next move was to take malconaire but!!!!!! anyway!!!!!! lakjdfjkdskjf
BUT!! none of that might ultimately come to anything since it sounds like, if arthur's failed to convey to marian effectively that she really ~doesn't have to worry abt guin pressing her claim, that ~she might try to block guin getting the fens, since they ~are so strategic? absolutely for sure @forgottenamira and @forgottengodfrey will be against that!! and, while arthur def does have ~some sway, if ~both the queens ~and presumably the rest of even his ~own faction w them, are against him i don't know that it'd be enough lakjsdfjsdf but won't stop him trying!! arthur has ~def dropped the ball on pushing the team arthur agenda a lot lately what w getting lost in aria's eyes and such alksjdfjdsf buT i think this is important enough he'd be like ok gotta take care of this at least laskdjfkjsdf
A NEW PLACE
but also!!!!!! i think smth brand new could be GREAT!! even if we end up going w smth else entirely, its ALWAYS fun to build out the world further, and saying what the new place might be could potentially help make the decision, too! or at least give us smth more to toss around!
and we could def say its got some v big assets of some sort that make it great in roderick's eyes!! and you guys know i am ALWAYS here for world building opportunities w you guys <33333333 legiterally my fav thing <3333333 so, if we ~do go w a new astairan land -- lauren, just to toss out some astairan-biome type vibes for inspiration, what speaks to you? i looked up biomes in the british isles and these came up: rivers! ~celtic/temperate rainforests! heathlands! moors! island/archipelago! highlands! smth else! kldsajfkdf obv there's sm potential beyond that! but yeah thought that might get us started <3 so far we've already got forests (malconaire), grasslands (ormond), coasts (hanthom), wetlands (fens), city (stafford), lake (lorcan), mountain range (kil-kennar), ice (calleary)...all of these have some variety in them, etc, as you can see, so yeah! in terms of like, the ~dominant vibes~ anything jumping out?
so w the most drama being the goals, that usually means that the most ppl want it and therefore must compete for it so, from that pov, id def advise rivers bc that's the one that's gonna be basically ~shipping lanes~ and also sending a crack across the countryside etc so it'll be v strategic in ~many senses (tid also hit w her heron imagery v well hahaha)!! but honestly anything can be made that way -- maybe some rare ~mineral or smth only grows in this place, wherever it is so ppl need that to idk...make swords and armor or...smth basically its a fantasy world we can come up w ~anything to make the place desirable af, basically! and/or we can def come up w smth else to make it dramatic af! maybe the prev house had ties to house foxe so guin grew up w them or smth but now they're all dead so she feels haunted when she's there or smth...yknow!! or, like, alys had some sort of ties there (which ~would make sense if its rivers since her fam was big in shipping/were merchants and we know the ovn became wealthy and a melting pot due to their focus in trade so like...itd make sense!) so guin gets to think abt ~her whenever she's there or...idk!! but the point is, the world is our oyster!! and if there's one thing we're good at its bringing the drama heehee i believe in us!!
RIAN
ok so honestly i think rian would be all abt this!! frankly, even if eithne were like 'but pls let cassimir and valentina stay' rian would be like 'sorry but no! im here to build ~my rep in astaira and that'll hurt it!' so!! she def don't have to ask twice BAHAHAHA they gone! i don't think he'd wanna hand cassimir another lordship tho tbqh....that could def become a pint ofcontention between them tho...he's like 'ik cassimir's hated by the locals i don't wanna be the guy whose seen to be giving him power, i wanna be the guy stripping him of it! it aint personal man its just good business' lakjsdfjkdsf plus he doesn't looove that cassimir tried to steal lorcan out from under him so lajksdfkjdsf no trust there either alkjsdfkjdsf espppp if roderick is side eying cassimir atp too lakjsdfkljsdf off w you! lakjsdfj
i defff think that any marriage between rian and eithne would def for him have to hinge on her somehow ~proving she is DEF not pregnant tho!! and proving it to EVERYONE he aint here to have ~anyone (himself included!) questioning whther his heirs are actually his own! lkajsdfkjdsf idk how she'd do that tbqh but yeah itd def be a big consideration for him if he's heard that rumor lakjsdjfsdf he aint as forgiving as cassimir lksdfakjsdf
ORMOND
oooooh but her being like 'ormond's empty he could go there' and rian like 'dude i have MET lord ormond what're you TALKING abt' could deffffff make for some interesting interplay!! lakdsjflkjdsf bc, yeah, i hadn't thought abt how the girls all knows -- probs ~from @forgottencillian, himself alksjdfkjsdf -- that both lords ormond really ~did die at the battle of m lajsdkfjdsjf oops!
lakjsdkfjdsf and rian would defffff investigate that -- and we know this man diiligent abt his research he a stafford laksjdflkjdsf -- and be SURE to bring ~any findings at all straight to roderick, since i think its pr widely known that @forgottencassandra is besotted w him lkdsjfajkdsf (also kinda love cillian potentially having sowed the seeds of his own discovery) lakjsdfjdksf
since its sounding? like this maybe ~won't be eoin's betrothal gift, tho? (i might be wildly misreading this!) i do think we can still weave smth like this in somewhere if we want to? idk how exactly...and it might just be that there're talks and yeah! things ~don't ultimately necessarily go w the malconaires being displaced potentially but this potential of rian being moved there still comes up? idk!! ooooh, maybe he's sent in to like ~audit malconaire when @forgottenbrigit 's winnings start suddenly pouring outta there or smth?
EILIA
ok so!! if this ever did end up happening, i def think eilia would be of two minds abt it! on one hand, yeah intellectually she ~does get it, eithne's gotta do what she's gotta do! like, eilia herself sometimes thinks abt marrying freaking ~roderick, so she really in no position to be judging ~anyone abt this stuff alksdjfkjdsfjk and there's always the sake of the ppl to consider!! and eithne won't have a husband who loves her like she woulda had w @forgottencassimir but @forgottenrian might make just as good a partner? maybe better ~for malconaire specfically~ bc he has less hangups that center on malconaire (tho i doubt eilia knows much abt ~that! lakjsdfkj), tho more abt astaira in general! but at least rian'll probs be less emotinally manipulative -- potentially more ~sneaky (at least in eilia's eyes: in rian's own, he sees himself as a straight shooter...aspects of both povs are both right ~and wrong alksdjflksjdf), but less ~manipulative...he simply do noT have that kinda skill in dealing w ppl dlskfjaslkjdfj
BUT there's also just the...gut reaction, right, and a lot of eilia's arc dips into head vs heart struggles and like...i def think itd hurt, like...her bff marrying her traitor cousin who was a key to helping to defeat them and like...yeah. like i do think she'd know that eithne wasn't just like 'know what'd be a good time' but yeah the hurt would absolutely be there and she'd def try to rise above it, bc she gets it, but she'd feel it notwithstanding
OOC | Eoin (& Guin's!) Betrothal Gift
ok, so [ as we know ], godfrey's got "the generous earldom roderick has bestowed upon him here in asteria ahead of his impending marriage." this was done bc hanthom was (one of!) the seat of house calleary, and ciara was half calleary on her mother's side, plus it was a deeply strategic maritime position and godfrey had a big naval bg etc etc etc. so when they marry, ciara will be lady hanthom and that all makes a lot of sense to roderick! an d until that time godfrey gets to build it up to the standard to be the seat of a varmont!
BUT!! if roderick's awarding one of the wealthiest spots in astaira to godfrey so that his cousin can live there upon her marriage, what's he gonna give to the guy who is ~also roderick's own cousin AND is abt to wed roderick's favorite child?????
so i talked abt this a bit on disco on the lfr-general channel, but i wanted to put it here too bc we know already that tryna search ~two places has proven a total disaster in the past and this way it can be easily tagged etc so your girl will ~always want a copy on tumblr <333333
so!! i do think that, while we know our boy don't know the first thing really abt astaira, astairans, or what matters to them, he ~does know that stafford is where most of the rulers he's ever known were and that's his. kil-kennar was the religious stronghold and arthur's got that.
so that leaves as ~very strong contednors:
lorcan was the seat of the ~other astairan king he knew abt (tho he probs ~thinks they ruled from stafford during that time alksjdfjsdf) so lorcan ~also has royal significance
malconaire is the largest county in all astaira, plus guin has ancient familial ties to that place (but honestly????? i kinda doubt he knows that? but he might? how aware is @forgottenguinevere of that?) and is also a pr strategic point (esp if you've got kil-kennar and the fens)
i ~do think he'd want guin's primary seat to be in astaira, since that's the capital now, so i do think that is a big consideration.
some others i think he'd def also consider include:
ormond -- (if lord ormond ticks roderick off too much re cassandra!) which is one of the larger holdings in astaira due to the convergence of two houses creating it -- hence their importance in showing up at the battle of m bc they could field so many fighters (but it still wasn't enough...) which is def smth that roderick would key in on!
the fens -- which is profoundly strategic in its placement and, having both that and kil-kennar you basically have a stranglehold on the country splitting it in half and which roderick could easily hand over wo all the fuss involved w the others since he, himself, holds the fens in his own name atm
unnamed/unknown/new county -- we know there're a TON of these so like!!!!!!!! big possibilities here tooooo plus its always fun to start w fresh world building possibilities! ;D and that might suit you better, lauren, since its not new stuff to learn?
so yeah!! i def think @forgottenamira will be reminding roderick that @forgottenedmund conquerd malconaire and therefore, by right of conquest, that is ~edmund's!!!!! this ~is def an argument that'd sway him big time bc, being a conqueror himself, he's big on the right of conqest alksjdfjksdkjf
lauren, do you think guin has ever actively articulated that she'd throw her hat in arthur's ring, if it came down to varmont civil war, bc in ~that case, i ~do think he'd be v encouraging of either lorcan (a place so impregnable its the only fortress never to have surrendered during the war, and only opened its gates to the varmonts when the queen surrendered on behalf of all astaira) or the fens to their father for her, bc, since he holds kil-kennar in his own right, if guin were his ally and had the fens, they'd basically have the entire north locked down for team arthur, and their next bet for conquest should probs be malconaire. but anyway!! arthur's ~also v aware of that guin-should-be-happy factor, too! so that's def a consideration for him as well (and also after he's emperor she gets whatever she likes ;D)
as a council member, alistair will be using his influence to get guin whatever ~guin wants most!! tho once he learns she doesn't intend to ever inhabit there, he'll be tryna direct whatever will best suit ~eoin
for ~wildly different reasons lakjsdfjsdf neither godfrey nor tristan want malconaire for guin, bc godfrey wants it for edmund, and tristan wants it for eithne -- obv they have less influence than amira or arthur, and tristan has less than godfrey, but they ~def will be doing what they can bc in both cases this is smth they feel strongly abt lkajsdfjksdf godfrey would like her to get a place that's v pretty sure but has v little strategic value bc #teamedmund5eva soooo he'll be manipulating roderick like don't be giving guin that ur majesty -- she's just a girl! ~she shouldn't ever have to fight a war give that one to someone who ~can! alkdsjfksdf
rian defffff wants to stay put if he can't have stafford bc lorcan is both culturally super significant to astaira plus yknow impregnable fortress so win/win! so he'll def be tryna keep that but if he ~must move he def wants to wind up at malconaire, and then he'll probs be tryna disrupt the cassimir/eithne wedding to marry eithne himself alsjdfjsdf so that astairans see him as rightful lord there lajksdfjsdf sorry @forgotteneithne this aint for love but rian ~would be doing everything he can to keep malconaire thriving so that's ~smth ig lakjsdfjsdf
eilia: 'i hate all of this' but would probs try to rec the fens bc it wouldn't be taking that out of astairan hands and lbr eoin and guin're gonna be much better at looking out for those poor beleaguered ppl than roderick is!!!
in terms of my characters who have any influence in this situation, that's what they're looking to do here lakjsdfjsdf but yeah obv quite a few have big opinions on this!!!!!! none of my babes out here hoping to lose their home lakjsdfjkdsf rosie and edmund obv are in a bad/weird place rn but she still might go to him in this situation and be like 'pls ik thingsre complicated between us but help us' if she really thought someone was gonna tryna to take even the one hand they've got on the wheel at malconaire away from them (tho lbr guin and eoin'd probs be better custodians than the vasilievas but stiLL girl wants her home skdjlfjdf) idk if he'd help or whatever but!! its the shot she's got! she's gonna take it! bc, even if she is a lady-in-waiting to amira, i can tell you rn amira will laugh at her if she tries to get her to intercede on her behalf lkasjdfjksd amira: that's a you problem
eabha would probs go to bat on eithne's behalf and ask alaric if he couldn't help see to it that malconaire remains in its current hands. cormac would absolutely do whatever cassimir told him too alkjdfjdsf but he'd also remind cassimir that he's free to come w him to calleary!!!!!! dlksajfjksdf
valentina gonna get her rear in gear tryna get a varmont betrothal!!!! she'll even take sebastian atp!!! if they losing malconaire they gonna need a powerful varmont protector to look out for them all!!!!! laksjdfjsdf
the frosts hate ALL of this but don't really have ~any power here, tho cillian might reach out to cassandra abt keeping malconaire outta varmont hands but frankly i think of all the varmonts cassandra has the ~least sway on him when it comes to making political decisions alksjdafjksdf but yeah frankly if cillian's pissed off roderick enough that he's considering ormond in this, then he probs doesn't have much access to her atp sooo lakjsdfjdsf
ofc, since we know guin's already got a plot to foil roderick's decision to wed her to eoin in the works, this will most likely all ultimately become solely eoin's seat (and will roderick rescind it, giving eoin a reason to have another grudge? let him keep it, putting a half-astairan in a position of power over a strategic point? idek!) so ~that's smth messy to consider too laksdjfkjdsjf
im v curious to hear what everyone else's various characters, esp varmonts and ppl w power at court but anyone/everyone really!! might push for!!!
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sofia-jones · 1 month ago
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#If you know where this pose is from then you're my best friend
#Moon Spirit Jinshi you'll always be gorgeous enough to topple nations
#Have another one sketched somewhere because that Jinshi-wakes-up-does-a-sword-kata-and-lies-on-the-floor-to-mope scene is literally Zuko
#“I can't keep my secret forever. Even that girl who's ignorant about the oddest things will probably figure it out soon...”
#“Or maybe she already knows... That'd certainly make things easier for me.”
#I swear the more I read the light novels the more Zuko Jinshi becomes.
#But anyway THAT scene
#Is literally Zuko struggling to keep his secret from Katara and the Gaang later on in the AU/fic
#He's like “I can't tell her. But I can't hide who I really am forever. I can't. Why won't she figure it out already?”
#It's all very dramatic and very mopey and very Zuko
#So yeah. You'll probably get more Jian Li = Jinshi stuff later.
#Which is hilarious to me because Jinshi is very much aware of his otherworldly looks right? Right?
#Jian Li/Zuko has NO idea of how smooth he can be at times. He's so stupidly unaware of his own beauty and I think that's the best thing ever
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Here I am, pushing the Jian Li (Akai Kotou! Zuko) = Jinshi (The Apothecary Diaries) agenda.
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