#Samjohn

[mangroveparty]

[irisbart]

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[spader7]

what if John simply offers to keep samuel company during nights when the insomnia is extra bad, no matter if he's already asleep himself :') just wanted to sketch this thought

bonus:

(fell asleep mid sentence)

[cyborrrg]

How do you trust someone?

You take the two most mistrusting people and shove them both together down the basement of the King Solomon’s tavern and hope they'll kiss-- I MEAN learn to trust each other….

I fear I'm officially in the jam trenches lads✋😔🤚. This is where I live now. Go on without me.

anyways I got more jam being prepared in the kitchen :D can I get a yes chef!

[thekittendraws]

more jamuel doodles!

[croquettish]

I am still going insane over The Rings (tm). Like? Did Sam have it made for John? Did John give him something in return? Do they consider themselves married or just sort of "promised to each other"? DOES JEHUDA KNOW? (Sara definitely knows tbh)

Also obsessed at how John yells at Kubyenka when they're going back to Kuttenberg through the tunnels. Boy probably can't lift a sword without taking his own eye out, but he was so ready to throw hands at that moment.

Also also need to know what John got up to in Kolín and how his reunion with Sam went down when he get back from Suchdol.

I've been so in my feels about these two the last few days. Got the start of a fic going and everything (send help).

So I went back to check, and before the patch we had Sam wearing three (!) rings when he meets Henry before taking him to see John.

Which he then took off for some reason???:

And, as we know, John wasn't wearing any at that time either.

On the wagon ride, they also weren't wearing any rings at the time:

And since I did just... go out of my way to replay all of Into the Underworld again, I can now say that they are both wearing them in that scene:

And the same is true in the wagon:

All three rings match. So here's what I think happened from a dev team perspective. They realized that there had been an oversight and that there was a mismatch between the cinematic that plays right before you go and meet Liechtenstein and all other times that Sam is on screen. And so they decided, you know what, while we're here doing this anyway, we might as well canonize Jamuel and watch the fandom implode (fair tbh).

My initial thought had been that a naysayer could come in to argue that Sam had given him such a ring as protection so that he could freely traverse the Jewish quarter with impunity (even tho we know he is actively in hiding and unlikely to leave the tavern, if the basement at all). But this kind of disproves that in a big way. Because it's three matching rings. There's no way that wasn't deliberate.

Anyway, your question got me thinking about Sam asking a blacksmith to make a matching set of rings for this man he's besotted with (probably told him they were meant to be spares in case he lost the others... it's possible that he would have made the one that reads Samuel read John instead otherwise; as it is, it does just look like a sign of ownership... joke's on you, homophobia, I'm into that shit!), and that got me real emotional because holy shit. His father, the man who couldn't be with the person he loved, was a blacksmith. And here is Sam, seeking out a blacksmith to craft him these signs of love and promise for the person he loves but can't be with. It's like he's seeking out Martin's blessing to say "you couldn't have this, and I can't have this, but this is the closest thing, and at least I'll have that."

All of this is of course pure conjecture. Maybe they're promised to each other, maybe they're meant to act as wedding rings. I personally think it's a case of "we can't be wedded before the eyes of God, but this is as close as it gets, and that will have to be good enough for both of our Gods."

There's no way Sara doesn't know. She and Sam are so close and Sam is such a mama's boy. Sara knows. And given her own history with... love... she'd obviously understand. Love this particular comic a whole lot.

And tbh, I think this is one reason why Sam recognizes Hansry for what it is:

We can have this exchange with Sara about Jehuda trying to find her another husband. Alongside the existence of his own relationship, I think this contributes heavily. He sees Hans not wanting to get married, then sees him interact with Henry (and also with himself), and realizes that the emotions he's seeing in Hans echo those he's seen in his mother's own resistance. As she was already in love with someone else that she couldn't be with.

Does Jehuda know? That's a good question. I couldn't say for certain, but I'm going to err on the side of saying no. There's enough friction between those two that I don't think Sam would trust him with something that contentious. That said, one of my top two favorite pieces of fanart for Jamuel is this comic, and I'm kind of obsessed with the idea that Jehuda has started catching on that There's Something There and is trying to put a stop to it... not that it's very... effective... sorry, Jehuda, they're already gay married...

Anyway you activated a particular trap card with your mention of John yelling at Kubyenka because when I replayed Exodus yesterday that shit took the fuck OUT. Because he sounds SO ANGRY.

He legitimately gets so pissed on Sam's behalf, and that speaks volumes to me. That and the fact that Kubyenka can call him out even on the wagon ride to Kuttenberg already:

Incidentally, I think this is also part of the reason why he and Sam end up as close as they are by the time that Suchdol happens, so much so that they insist on only doing the raid if they can go together. Kubyenka might not know about Hansry, but I think he knows about Jamuel, and he respects it enough not to comment on it.

THAT SAID, when I replayed Exodus yesterday I did learn the delightful news that the game insists on you killing the murderers that killed Sam's friends. I tried knocking them out at first and was struggling (fam, this pacifist playthrough might be impossible if I don't turn on invincibility and even if I do it'll be hard lmfao) and then John joined Henry and started punching himself. I mean full fisticuffs. Like he's a trained pugilist!

Anyway, I think he can wield a sword just fine, I just think he vastly prefers not to!!

You mentioned their Kolin reunion, and godddddddddddd... can you even imagine? John going absolutely mad from lack of information, naturally he'd send out spies to figure out where Sam was and if he was all right, only to then learn that they were under siege. That, or no one ever returned alive. That would leave him panicked. Even if he did learn, all of his attempts at sending aid would also have failed bc they would have been led by individuals trying to sneak through. Maybe he learns about what happened after Henry sneaks out, but-- oh my god he'd have Sam with him!!!! Sam would be in a bad way, but he'd most likely send word to John at least, and the chances are that John would then meet him at Suchdol if he could. Most likely it wouldn't be safe, in which case he'd send word that he'd make it to Kolin as quickly as he could but that he was alive.

[the-fatal-impact]

Martin The Blacksmith looking from Heavens on his prospects on having grandchildren:

[lambmotifz]

i often see these “john physically abused dean” posts, and it always makes me wonder why this fandom is so obsessed with the idea of john being physically violent towards dean when the only person he got physical with onscreen was sam

[bakasara]

oh samjohn sketch i'll never finish. save me samjohn sketch i'll never finish

[ebenelephant]

as if john isn't a five on the kinsey scale – minimum – on any given day smh 😔

sam and john’s relationship is arguably the most complex and unexplored one of the series but nooooo everyone just wants to talk about dean getting whooped for being bi instead

[darikbelochka]

SamJohn shippers, my congratulations🎉🎉🎉

[brilcrist]

Dropping my "Jam" as promised🙈

[matomai]

Kingdom cum sketches ✍️

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[spader7]

sam sleeps better in the cellar

[cyborrrg]

thanks for all the jam love omg!!

they're currently my roman empire. I got so many chicken scratches of them but none of them are ready yet! so have this doodle of the kings judging some poor peasant(they probably deserve it lmao)

Also I didn't know how cute john's hair was under that hat until my second run and now i'm OBSESSSED. look at this patootie🥹 also HIS HOSE IS HANGING ON BY A THREAD HOLDING ALL OF THAT IN I MEAN WHAAAT--

[kuurake]

congratulations on their engagement 💚💙