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Seishi Kishimoto × Masashi Kishimoto Twin Manga Artist Brothers Dialogue | Square Enix Magazine ||| Part 2

第2回喜びも苦労もあっての漫画家人生岸本聖史、新作への熱意を語る! 想いの強さが、漫画をどんどん面白くする!~

Part 2: The Life of a Manga Artist Filled with Joys and Struggles - Seishi Kishimoto Talks About His Passion for His New Work! The Strength of His Passion Makes the Manga More and More Interesting!

── 漫画家という夢を叶え、活躍するお二人にお伺いします。どんな時に作家としての喜びを感じますか?

聖史：僕の場合、作品が終了したり、次の作品の仕込み期間として漫画が描けない時期を経験しているので…“描くことができる”それだけで嬉しいですよ。漫画家っ��自分の表現を形にして見てもらえることが何より大事だと思うので。

斉史：読者のリアクションほど、嬉しいものはないからな。僕が喜びを感じるのは…ネームを仕上げた時ですね。ネームってすごくエネルギーを使う作業なんですよ。楽しい反面、やはりキャラクターに入り込んで作っていると…辛い時も多くて。

── We would like to ask the two of you, who have fulfilled your dream of becoming manga artists and are now thriving. When do you feel the joy of being a writer?

Seishi: In my case, I've experienced periods when I couldn't draw manga because I was finishing a project or preparing for the next one, so I'm just happy to be able to draw. I think the most important thing for a manga artist is to be able to express himself in a way that's tangible and can be seen.

Masashi: There's nothing more rewarding than the readers's reactions. The thing that makes me happiest is when I finish writing the storyboard. Writing the storyboard is a very energy-consuming task. While it's fun, when you get into the character and create it…there are also a lot of tough times.

── 作品に、ご自身の気持ちが引っ張られていくような感覚でしょうか?

斉史：そうですね。入り込んでネームを描いていると、どうしてもそうなってしまうんですよ。「NARUTO-ナルト-」のペイン戦の時は特に辛かった。眠れないし、脂汗が出るし…。ネームが終われば開放感でいっぱいになるんですけど、最中はとにかく精神的にキツイ。聖史も精神的に辛い経験とか、あっただろ?

聖史：あった。僕の場合“この時期”っていう明確なものはないけど、徐々に精神的に追い詰められて…気がついたら体重が40キロ台まで落ちたことがあって。その時初めて、漫画って身体も心も元気じゃないと描けないなって思った。

斉史：本当にそう。あと身体面で言うと、ぎっくり腰やった時もキツかった。

聖史：僕も未だに腰痛に悩まされているよ…。

斉史：座り仕事だから、腰は大事だよな。僕は、身体の丈夫さってネームの面白さに比例するんじゃないかなって思っているんです。だから漫画家は技術的なことはもちろん、食生活とか整えて身体も作っていかないと。

── Do you feel like your own emotions are being drawn into the work?

Masashi: That's right. When I get really into drawing the storyboards, it just ends up like that. The fight against Pain in "NARUTO" was particularly tough. I couldn't sleep, I was sweating profusely… Once I finished the storyboards, I felt a sense of relief, but during the process, it was just mentally tough. You've had some tough experiences, haven't you, Seishi?

Seishi: Yes. In my case, there was no clear "period," but I gradually became mentally cornered…and before I knew it, my weight had dropped to the 40kg range. That was the first time I realized that you can't draw manga unless you're healthy in both body and mind.

Masashi: That's really true. Speaking of physical aspects, it was also hard when I had a slipped disc.

Seishi: I'm still struggling with back pain too...

Masashi: Since it's a desk job, the lower back is important, right? I think the sturdiness of the body is proportional to the interestingness of the story. So, manga artists need to not only focus on technical skills but also maintain a proper diet and build their bodies.

── お二人とも似たような辛い体験をされていますが、そういった時に兄弟の存在が支えになっていたりするんですか?

聖史：やっぱり精神的に弱ってる時は頼ることはありますね。斉史から電話がきて、話し相手になったりするし。

斉史：作家なら誰でもそうだと思うんですけど、ネタが出てこないと本当に辛いんですよ。会話の中でアイデアがまとまることもあるので、やっぱり身近な存在である聖史に話を聞いてもらったり。

聖史：作品の演出面とか、バトルのイメージとか…お互い話をする中で盛り上がって固まっていくこともあったり。

斉史：でもそうすると、担当と弟の意見の間で揺れるんですよ。担当と弟、二人と話をしていいところを取ろうとするけど、ある日担当に「担当と作家の二人で話を作っていくんだから、他の人の話を聞いてぶれないで欲しい」って言われて。そこからはあまり作品のことで連絡はしないようにしました。

聖史：とか言いながらも電話してきてたし(笑)。でも斉史は僕や担当さんの意見がどうであれ、ぶれない軸を持っているから、他人の意見はきっかけにすぎないんですけどね。

斉史：“どうしてもこれを描きたい”っていう軸がないと、読者に何も伝えられないって思っているから。よく新人作家で担当編集の意見でコロコロ考え方を変える人がいるって聞くんですけど、そういう人って実は自分の主張したいことがないんですよ。自分の想いを編集にぶつけられるくらいの人の方が、作家としての伸びしろはあると思う。

── Both of you have gone through similar hardships, but does having a sibling help support you during those times?

Seishi: I do rely on him when I'm feeling weak. Masashi calls me and we talk.

Masashi: I think it's the same for all writers, but it's really hard when you can't come up with a story. Sometimes ideas come together during conversations, so I ask Seishi, who is also close to me, to talk to me.

Seishi: In terms of the direction of the work and the image of the battles... there were times when we got excited and solidified our ideas while discussing them with each other.

Masashi: But then I would be torn between the opinions of my editor and my brother. I would talk to both of them and try to get the best out of them, but one day my editor told me, "Since it's just the two of us, the editor and the writer, who are creating the story, I want you to not get swayed by what other people have to say." From then on, I tried not to contact him too much about the work.

Seishi: He called me even though he said that (laughs). But Masashi has a firm belief that he can't waver no matter what my opinion or that of his editors is, so other people's opinions are just a trigger for him.

Masashi: I think that if you don't have a core idea of "I really want to draw this," you can't convey anything to the readers. I often hear about new writers who constantly change their way of thinking depending on the opinions of their editor, but those kinds of people don't actually have anything they want to assert. I think that writers who can confront their editors with their thoughts have more room to grow.

── 熱い少年漫画を描いてきた斉史先生が言うと説得力がありますね。

斉史：でも僕も新人時代、当時の担当に「言うこと聞きすぎ」って怒られたことあったんですけどね(笑)。ただ、それでも担当は僕の主張したい想いをわかってくれてたから、自分の軸がぶれることなく漫画を描くことができて…結果的には良かったです。

── It is very convincing when Masashi-sensei, who has drawn a passionate shonen manga, says so.

Masashi: But when I was still a rookie, my editor at the time scolded me for "listening to what I was told too much" (laughs). But even so, my editor understood what I wanted to express, so I was able to draw manga without losing my direction… so it turned out well in the end.

── 頼りになる担当と、想いを共有できる弟さんが斉史先生の支えになっていたんですね。でも、ご兄弟で漫画家同士…作品のことまで相談されているとは、意外でした。

聖史：電話で相談するのはもちろん、僕は連載前に斉史にネームを見てもらったりしてますよ。

斉史：その度に、説教という名のアドバイスをしてるんですけど(笑)。

聖史：また言いたい放題言うんですよ。設定漫画はやめろとか、もっとこの部分こうしろとか…。

斉史：僕、弟には厳しいので。でも「助太刀09」はキャラクターを描けてい��から、珍しく褒めた気がする。

── So, your reliable editor and your brother, with whom you can share your thoughts, have been supporting you, Masashi-sensei. But I was surprised to hear that you and your brother are both manga artists and even consult each other about your works.

Seishi: Of course we consult over the phone, and I also have Masashi look at my drafts before I start serializing.

Masashi: Every time that happens I give them some advice, which is more like a lecture (laughs).

Seishi: He kept saying whatever he wanted again. "Stop with the setting manga," "Do this part more like this," and so on...

Masashi: I'm strict with my younger brother. But he was able to draw the characters well in "Sukedachi 09," so I think it was a rare occasion for me to praise him.

── 厳しい斉史先生から褒め言葉がいただけた「助太刀09」ですが、この作品は聖史先生の今までの作風とはちょっと違った印象を受けますね。

聖史：“犯罪”とか“仇討ち”とか、ちょっと重たい題材を扱ってますからね。でも僕自身が元々、元気で明るいタイプの人間じゃないから、自分が描きたい作品を考えた時にこういう作風になってしまうんです。昔は無理をして元気を与えるような作品を描いていたけど、今は自分が伝えたい想いを込められる作品を描きたいって…。

── Although "Suketachi 09" received praise from the strict Masashi-sensei, this work gives the impression of being a little different from Seishi-sensei's previous works.

Seishi: "Crime" and "revenge" are somewhat heavy themes, you know. But since I'm not originally the type of person who is cheerful and bright, when I think about the works I want to create, they end up having this kind of style. In the past, I forced myself to create works that would cheer people up, but now I want to create works that contain the feelings I want to convey...

── 伝えたい想い…作品のテーマにもご自身の経験が強く影響しているとお伺いしました。

聖史：はい。この「助太刀09」の大きなテーマが“比べる”っていうことなんですけど、それは僕自身がずっと経験してきたことなんですよ。双子なのに斉史と比べて身体の大きさも、丈夫さも違う。周りの子と比べても、身体が弱いせいでみんなと同じものを食べられない、遊んだりもできない。そういうことを常に感じてきた自分だからこそ、いろんな角度から物事を比べてみる作品を描きたかった。

斉史：双子ってどうしても比べられてしまうんですよね。でも“比べる”って嫉妬とか、有利・不利、勝者・敗者とか、想像が広がって面白くなりそうなテーマだな。

── The feelings you want to convey... I heard that your own experiences have strongly influenced the theme of your work.

Seishi: Yes. The main theme of “Sukedachi 09” is “comparison,” which is something I have experienced myself for a long time. Even though we are twins, my body is different in size and strength compared to Masashi's. Compared to the other children around me, I can't eat the same foods as everyone else because of my physical weakness, and I can't play with them either. Because I have always felt these things, I wanted to draw a work that compares things from various angles.

Masashi: Twins are inevitably compared to each other. But “comparing” can lead to jealousy, advantage/disadvantage, winners/losers, etc. It is an interesting theme that opens up the imagination.

── ご自身が描きたいテーマを明確にした後、命の重さを比べ裁く者──助太刀人の誕生へ繋がっていったんですね。

聖史：神経質で比べたがりな主人公の優二は特に、僕自身を反映��せた部分が多いですね。そんな優二を始めとする助太刀人たちが、遺族に代わって加害者に仇討ちを執行していく物語なんですが、失われた命と自分が奪う命に対し様々な想いを巡らせていく。友人、家族、恋人──繋がっている人間が多ければ多いほど命の重さに繋がるけど、加害者にだって繋がっている人間はいる。その“命”の重さの狭間で、助太刀人はどう被害者・加害者と向き合うのか。読者の皆さんにぜひ、注目してもらいたいです。

── After you clarified the theme you wanted to depict, you came up with the idea of a person who judges the weight of life── a “dekutajin” (a person who judges the weight of life).

Seishi: The nervous and comparative protagonist Yuji in particular is a reflection of me in many ways. The story is about Yuji and the other assistants who carry out revenge on the perpetrators on behalf of the bereaved families, but they also go through various thoughts about the lives that were lost and the lives they take. Friends, family, lovers - the more people you are connected to, the more important that life is, but there are also people connected to the perpetrator. In the midst of the weight of that "life," how will the assistants face the victims and perpetrators? I hope readers will pay attention to this.

── 「助太刀09」を読んでいると、すごく考えさせられる内容で聖史先生の想いの強さが伝わります。

聖史：さっきも斉史が言っていたけど“どうしてもこれが描きたい”っていうぶれない軸が、表現できているからかな。

斉史：そういう想いの強さが、作品にとって一番大事なものだからな。結局どんな作品も何を伝えたいか、だと思うんです。その伝えたい想いが強ければ強いほど見せ場へと繋がって、面白さへ変わる。聖史の想いが強い分、読んでいる人にも自然と伝わる作品になっているんじゃないかな。…と、褒めるのはこの程度にしておこう(笑)。

聖史：斉史って僕の漫画に関して厳しいくせに、たまにわざわざ連絡してきて面白かったって言うんですよ。「666～サタン～」の7巻の時とか、そうだったよな?

斉史：あの時くらいですよ。普��は弟の作品読んでいい場面だなと思っても、もう少し温め具合が欲しいなとか。このシーンは顔見せない方がもっと画面が映えそうだなとか…。そういう部分に目がいってしまいますね。

聖史：でも「助太刀09」は斉史が好きそうな作品だと思うから、単行本発売したら読んでもらいたいよ。

斉史：話題になったら読むよ。正直、弟をまだ“漫画家”って認めてない部分があるんです。売れる、売れないは関係なく、ここらでガツンとした作品作って「おっ」と思わせるものを見せて欲しいから、「助太刀09」がそういう作品になるか…見物ですね。

── Reading "Sukedachi 09" is very thought-provoking and conveys the strength of Seishi-sensei's feelings.

Seishi: As Masashi mentioned earlier, maybe it's because we can express that unwavering core of "I absolutely want to draw this."

Masashi: The strength of those feelings is the most important thing for a work. In the end, I think it all comes down to what you want to convey. The stronger those feelings are, the more they connect to the highlights and turn into something interesting. Since Seiji's feelings are strong, I think it naturally comes across to the readers as well. ...I'll stop praising it here (laughs).

Seishi: Masashi is very strict about my manga, but sometimes he goes out of his way to contact me and tells me how interesting it was. That was the case with volume 7 of "666~Satan~", right?

Masashi: It's about that time. Usually, when I read my brother's work even if I think "this scene is good," I find myself wishing it had a bit more warmth. Or thinking that this scene would stand out more if the face wasn't shown... I tend to focus on those aspects.

Seishi: But I think "Sukedachi 09" is a work that Masashi would like, so I want him to read it when the series comes out.

Masashi: I'll read it if it becomes popular. To be honest, there's still a part of me that doesn't recognize my younger brother as a "manga artist." Whether it sells or not is irrelevant, but I want him to create something that will make people go "Wow!" and make a powerful bold work, so I wonder if "Sukedachi 09" will be that kind of work… it will be interesting to see.

「助太刀09」1話のネームを読んだ斉史先生。その後のネームは見てないものの偶然何かの機会で3~4話の功太編(単行本2巻収録)を読んだそう。

「僕、漫画は面白くないと途中で読むのをやめてしまうんですけど、あの犬の話は最後まで読んだ。面白かったよ。」

滅多に自分の漫画を面白いと言わない兄からの言葉に、聖史先生は少し恥ずかしそうでした。

Masashi Kishimoto X Sukedachi 09

Masashi-sensei read the first storyboard of "Sukedachi 09". Although he hasn't seen the storyboards after that, he happened to read the 3rd and 4th stories of the Kota story (included in the second volume of the tankobon).

"I usually stop reading manga if I don't find it interesting, but I read the story about the dog to the end. It was interesting."

Seishi-sensei seemed a little embarrassed to hear this from his brother, who rarely says that his manga is interesting.

── 斉史先生からの挑発的期待が込められた「助太刀09」の単行本は、1・2巻同時発売中です! そして対談企画最後となる次回は、お二人の漫画家としてのこだわりや、岸本斉史先生の「NARUTO-ナルト-外伝」制作裏話をたっぷりお届けします。さらに…この対談で実現した岸本聖史×岸本斉史のコラボイラストも掲載!!

── The first and second volumes of "Sukedachi 09," which contains Masashi-sensei's provocative expectations, are on sale now! In the next issue, which will be the last of our discussion series, we will be sharing the two of you've been working on as manga artists, as well as the inside story behind the production of Masashi Kishimoto's "Naruto Gaiden." Furthermore… we will also be publishing a collaborative illustration by Masashi Kishimoto and Masashi Kishimoto that was made possible during this discussion!!

PART 1 OF THE INTERVIEW

PART 3 OF THE INTERVIEW

#Kishimoto interview #featuring Seishi #Naruto archive #Naruto translation #There's several mangakas I've heard say the same thing about having to working out to be able to write #very interesting

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