#Tw shipping discourse

[fetusbaconegg]

still curious

you say people are disregarding the canon of chara, which you understand as an immoral and fucked up character. right. okay. are you not doing that when shipping brothers together, or even in your recent posts talking about papyrus? from what i could see, you’re weirdly against papyrus finding other skeletons (made to look badass and corny—that’s their appeal) funny because of the violent depictions. however, you gloss over the fact that papyrus set up a trap with spears, fire, etc with full intentions of harming the player. during his fight, his intentions are to harm—not kill—the player. you act as if these are not acts of violence, when they are. he is a grown man, and your arguments seem to have him depicted as someone who knows very little about violence. i’m autistic myself. we’re not completely clueless. making papyrus innocent to violence is a slippery slope into a one-dimensional character and ableism.

no one can stop you from writing incest, but that doesn’t mean they can’t bash you as much as you bash others for enjoying chara and kris as characters. you’re being weirdly preachy and using loose connections to guilt and shame people who are against proshipping (seen as a logical fallacy fyi, which aid in invalidating your arguments). you can’t act like that and then turn around and bash others for enjoying immorally wrong characters, when you yourself are against the censorship of immorally wrong actions.

realism is the act of adding traits real people exhibit to make a character relatable and more than just one dimensional. it’s taking into consideration age, time period, and events to shape how an ACTUAL person could grow and react. that’s what realistic writing is. it’s making 2-dimensional, 3-dimensional, etc, characters. i don’t know if you write or create characters yourself, but understanding that characters are allowed to be both bad and good is crucial. i don’t care for chara or kris, do not believe i’m biased, but i am fully capable in seeing both their bad and good traits, which a lot of people take into their own perspectives (you included). that will lead to canon-divergent interpretations, which i am very sorry to say, happens to describe your perceptions of chara and kris as well.

It ain't my understanding it's what canon says about em and no I am not killing people by shipping two characters from different dimensions who ain't related together. (Although I don't I just used that example I ship my own ocs with both Sans and Swap Papyrus) like are you good mentally to think ship = genocide? And I didn't ask for your opinion of me nor do I care thank you very much someone as stupid as to believe genocide and shipping are the same thing doesn't deserve their opinion heard.

also it's not my fault you are a fascist. Procensorpship is a fascist stance so...yeah. I'm not a proshipper I am an adult with a job that things that whole discourse is idiotic and y'all should touch grass.

also realism still ≠ good writing and pretending an evil murderous demon is a real child and defending them as such won't make your story better.

and you are heavily biased. And stupid too but fascists aren't particularly educated or smart.

[kaiaden]

I’m sorry, but there’s nothing more I hate than running into a die-hard Llorumi fan on Tik Tok.

TW: Shipping discourse and talk of abusive relationships

I ran into a llorumi fan on Tik Tok today and it was the most mind numbing experience of my entire liffeeee

They were defending their ship as if their life depended on it, saying that it’s ‘canon’ and that Lloykita (Lloyd x Akita) was worse because they ended up leaving each other for their respective realms. Like? Wtf? Then they started talking about how Harumi is better now and that Crystallized is canon and she apologized and realized that she was wrong and Lloyd forgave her

This pisses me off because Crystallized was completely weak in its writing and Harumi had no real consequences for her actions, just ‘i’m super sorry for tearing an entire city apart and partook in destroying it again’ and then Lloyd is just like ‘yeah, I believe you even though you’ve lied and manipulated me in the past with complete ease’ not saying she was lying or manipulating, but I wish we (Lloyd) was more skeptical because of her past actions.

Redemption should be a thing, but quoting one of my fav YouTubers, redemption shouldn’t be blind acceptance, and the seriousness of someone’s actions should come into play before we even begin to forgive, much less redeem

I also hate it because it’s basically just a victimizer x a victim. Lloyd is a VICTIM OF MANIPULATION. He was left chewed up and spat out after what Harumi did, compare him in seasons 9 and 10 and even season 11 to him in season 7, he was so different because he hadn’t faced a person like Harumi before. Harumi actively sought to break Lloyd down to unfixable pieces because of an incident he had no control over, that none of the ninjas had control over. She literally held him in the air to watch as his friends, his brothers, and his uncle get murdered brutally in front of him just to make him feel as empty as her. (Albeit, they didn’t die but he didn’t know that until later on) And that was AFTER she brought his dad back, manipulated Garmadon into attempting to MURDERING HIS OWN SON, and then BROADCASTED IT LIVE

Yeah guys, perfect couple of the year, look at how cute they are, oh he’s okay, he forgave her

Sorry for the rant, if you enjoy Llorumi, it ain’t my cup of tea in the slightest, but as long as your not one of the problematic ones ig

[cosmicjoke]

Same eruri anon. I think it's wild and utterly bonkers that some eruris called you homophobic and harassed you because you stated that eruri isn't canon, which in text it literally isn't. I could argue Erwin loved Levi romantically or Levi loved Erwin romantically but they never acted on it because they're soldiers with their care and duties being above any romantic relationship but that's just MY interpretation and I know that, but claiming it as canon when it was never shown to be the actual case in the manga would be kinda extra of me lol. You were only stating actual canon fact so I don't know why that would make anyone mad unless they think it taints their interpretation lol. Really sorry about that.

Also, your point about talking more about Erwin and Levi's relationship because of its complexity was very interesting. To play the devil's advocate for my fellow eruris but not to excuse those who harassed you for your takes. I think why most eruris immediately call people homophobes for any thing they think is hate is because they do face a lot of homophobia for even merely having the audacity to ship Levi with Erwin. Like people saying Levi would be disgusted by the thought of being shipped with a man or even kick the shippers in the teeth and crack their skulls in for shipping the two plus saying other vile things make the shippers jump to conclusions. I also think they call people homophobes because they feel only Levi and Erwin's relationship gets heavily criticized and not his other straight ships. I think a lot of them aren't aware that people like you who analyze Erwin and Levi's relationship is because of the complexities of it and they mistake it as it just being another person trying to rain on their parade while ignoring other things said about Levi. Like on TikTok it's very famous for people to believe Levi was going to marry Petra and a lot of people actually believe that and claim it as canon. So I think eruris shout homophobia because they don't understand how no one tries to debunk Levihan or rivetra but only seem to come for them and their ship(not saying that's what you're doing) But they feel like if people really care about setting the facts about Levi straight then why do some ignore other big misconception about him and only try to correct the thought of people saying he was in love with a man.

Also, I agree with everything you said about Erwin and Zeke and why Levi perceive them differently, and I agree that serious conversations has no place in shipping 100% or trying to bring ships into serious discussion.

And trolling can be harmful, I agree but sometimes people just get frustrated and they can't help it when they feel like they're constantly getting attacked, misconstrued, lumped in with others and belittled.

I understand the desire to troll people when they're being blatantly disrespectful or intentionally confrontational. I think, though, if one is going to troll, then they should make it obvious that that's what they're doing. Tone isn't discernible on the internet, so how is one meant to parse out serious statements from statements made sarcastically if that isn't made clear? Then it just has the effect of making an entire shipping community look off their rockers.

Anyway, the reason, again, why I think you don't see as much push-back on ships like Rivetra or Levihan is, again, because Levi's relationships with Petra and Hange are much less complicated and nuanced than his relationship with Erwin. There's a reason I write mostly about Levi's relationship with Erwin. It's not because I think he cared more about Erwin than Hange or Petra, it's because there's simply more to talk about, more to unpack, more to examine. I actually think it reduces Levi's relationship with Erwin to something frivolous and boring when one claims it was "love". It was a lot more than that. Erwin had a profound impact on the way Levi chose to approach one of the aspects of life he found least able to reconcile with himself. That is, how he could be surrounded by meaningless death while feeling life was invaluable. Erwin made Levi believe he could change that by fighting to make the dreams of his fallen comrades come true. That he could imbue their deaths with meaning by fighting on in the name of their dream, or by accomplishing whatever task they died for, thereby undoing the injustice of their lives being tossed aside as if cheap. By comparison, he barely interacts with Petra before she dies, and Hange and Levi, like I said, have a very straightforward friendship, acting more as buddies and partners, doing things together, running missions together, etc, etc... I think Levi was probably personally closer to Hange, as a friend, than he ever was to Erwin. Erwin remained unknowable and at a distance from everyone until nearly the end, when he at last confided in Levi. But for Erwin, Levi held an immense admiration and respect because he saw him as a great visionary and leader, and an altruistic man.

People saying Levi wanted to "marry Petra" doesn't have the potential to lead to Levi's actions and motivations throughout the story being wildly misinterpreted the way saying Levi "sacrificed humanity" for Erwin does, for example. People choosing to see Levi as having romantic feelings for Petra or Hange, despite there being zero evidence for either, doesn't in any, fundamental way affect the way people see Levi's character or what drove him in his actions. It's just a cute ship that doesn't have the potential to cast Levi's character in a negative light. But people choosing to see Levi as having romantic feelings for Erwin very much can and does affect the way people see his character and what drove him in his actions. Levi makes no pivotal choice in relation to Petra's or Hange's fate, for example, the way he has to with Erwin, so you don't get absurd discussions surrounding the nature of his relationship with them, or the nature of his choice, the way you do his relationship with Erwin, with people claiming he would and did "sacrifice humanity" for them because he just cared about them so much more than anyone or anything else. It's got nothing to do with not wanting to see Levi romantically linked with a man (at least not with me. I've said it multiple times at this point, but I both read and write eruri fanfic. There are, of course, actual homophobic anti-shippers out there). It's got to do with casting Levi in a light that completely butchers his character, all to push the idea that he loved Erwin so much, that even humanity didn't matter to him by comparison. It all plays into that idea that Levi would compromise his morals for Erwin, would blindly follow Erwin no matter what, etc, etc... It's designed to make Levi look like a selfish prick, when he's literally the exact opposite. He's the most selfless character in the story.

[mika-chaos-bean]

i dont wanna be involved with any ship discourse AT ALL so please keep me out of it. stop saying that my selfships are making others upset because its not [insert ship here] PLEASE, understand the fact i selfship for C O P I N G R E A S O N S and because SELFSHIPPING IS FUN GOSH DANG IT! just block me if you dont like me

and also please stop involving me with all this sontails stuff. stop telling me in my inbox "oH yOu MuSt LiKe SoNtAiLs BeCaUsE yOu HaVeN't SaId AnYtHiNg AbOuT iT" LIKE DUDE I DONT TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THIS BLOG IS SUPPOSED TO BE A S A F E S P A C E

i see sonic and tails as BROTHERS and get very uncomfortable seeing shipping art of them. if YOU like it then please leave me out of any talking about it. i have the tag blocked. im not shaming anyone who likes it, you guys like what you like. just please dont interact with me and block me. that is all i ask

from what i know, all my mutuals dont ship sontails, either that or i havent seen it yet, but i'd like to keep it that way.

(sorry for the rant, i dont want to sound mean, really! but theres been a bunch of people coming to my inbox, off anon, being mean to me so i needed to say this)

[discoelysco]

I fucking hate it when someone claims to be a proshipper but then they're against

>shipping regardless of canon sexualities

>"copaganda" ships and such (caitvi. This is about caitvi)

>literally any "problematic" content as soon as it gets put in a book aimed at straight women

>whatever popular (often completely unproblematic) ship tumblr chooses to hate that week

>or when they make fun of other people's fan content for being "cringe" (ooc, self-indulgent, whatever) as if our entire philosophy wasn't supposed to be "let people do whatever they want forever"

Like broski if you think "fiction is not reality" and "fandom is not activism" only apply to your incest fetish then think again <33

[pompompuriina]

sending me death threats over a fictional ship is INSANE. the jujutsu kaisen fandom is becoming just like the mha fandom if not more worse. telling me to sl1t over shipping satosugu is crazy. you're entitled to your own opinion but not when it involves harming others. people like this are the reason that the jjk fandom is becoming so hated now.

anyways, while you go screeching in my ear about how satoru and suguru aren't gay, i'm chilling in my bed watching my bae gordon ramsey.

sips tea, go to bed now my dear child, school's tomorrow.

[albi-bumblebee]

[apologies to my lovely beautiful followers there’s incest ship discourse underneath the cut][do not look underneath the cut if you do not want to see that]

I think people who act like darkshippers are oppressed need to get real problems but also. I think acting like someone jerking it to fictional (adult)siblings getting on is morally equivalent to sending that to someone you know is an incest survivor incest porn or something even worse is fucking ridiculous. Girl there infinitesimally awful things going on right now. In 2025 no less

And I say this as someone who used to be more on the antiship side of the spectrum, stop saying people imagining things is equivalent to showing people shit with the intent to harm them, those are not the same thing…sometimes things aren’t the same i’m sorryyyyyyyyy

[ocd-bunny]

I haven't been active on this blog in a while, and I'm not sure when I'll start again, but I at least wanted to say this:

pr/ofic, pros/hip, whatever you call yourselves... I don't want interactions or follows from you all. I understand that for some, it is a coping mechanism, and while I have my opinions on that, I won't get into them here because shipping discourse is extremely stressful and very bad for my mental health.

the more pressing issue is that prosh/ippers are extremely triggering for me, and as this blog is focused on healing and coping with ocd (though it's sort of a general blog now?) I don't want people in my notes that trigger my POCD.

I understand that many prof/ic people have related traumas and mental illnesses like ocd (including pocd) but unfortunately this blog is not someplace that can help you. I hope you all are able to find a helpful place elsewhere.

[a-lunarcentric-heart]

btw warning for shipping discourse

i really hope i wrote this right

i cant be the only one whos pissed at the misuse of proshipper (as opposed to darkshipper, at least put proshipper/darkshipper) i dont proship (i think certain things should be off limits although there are VERY limited cases where i guess.? but thats NOT OFTEN)

[furiitha096]

why do anitshippers gravitate to dark media so much

[abyssal-system]

Hello everyone. It's been a while since I last updated the blog. Things have been very hectic while my system has been very quiet, so I haven't felt the need to post much.

I'm just back to say that I've noticed I was put on a list (still sort of unsure why, the post was a little confusing) and I've gotten a lot of followers recently. Unfortunately the person who had added me to the list was proship and I am extremely uncomfortable with that.

If you came from them and you are also proship, I would greatly appreciate it if you unfollowed and blocked me.

For those of you who aren't associated with them- welcome! I cannot promise I'll be very active, but I'm welcoming to all system types (even if this blog is mainly focused on traumagenic systems as that is what I am)

As a final note- please do not attempt to change my mind or argue. Please leave me be and I will leave you be. I do not wish to fight.

[muwwwsky]

you know i would rather trust an adult proshipper with "disgusting" and "weird" kinks who clearly knows the difference between fiction and reality and not allowing minors to interact with them than an adult antis who stalks minors with rape and death threats because of fictional characters

[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

[leyleysgrave]

and this is why i trust proshippers over antis

[enemywasp]

I have never been so pissed off at comments in my life, we had gone back and forth for a while with them claiming I'm invalidating incest and normalising it. But this just made me give up and realise they are not worth my time.

[pompompuriina]

your fucking disgusting and that stupid "satosugu" you and the snowflake rainbow blue haired kids need hospital 💀 this is mental illness, find god devil worshipper

i'm assuming that you're the same person in my dms threatening me to sl1t my wrists. honestly i have nothing more to say to you other than smd. calling me a snowflake but getting this triggered over fictional ships is wild. go to bed child, you're 13. you'll get over it someday.