#ghostlysyscourse

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Systems shouldn't have to state whether or not they are traumatised, disabled, neurodivergent, or struggling "enough" to not be fakeclaimed or told they are infringing on the spaces of those who 'actually' are.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

This is a link to a page that talks about endogenic plurality and plurality outside of DID in the early 2000s/90s.

system is not a traumagenic only term. Endogenic systems have been mentioned to be included since 1994 when the term was emerging.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

There should be a pinned post at the top of the syscourse tag that says "other people's experience with plurality is not a commentary on your plurality and systemhood is not based on who is struggling the most".

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

R/systemscringe and R/FDC are hateful subreddits by the way and posting to them or supporting them makes you a hateful being.

There is no good explanation for supporting a place where people, who are mostly middle and high schoolers may I add, get posted to be mocked, bullied, be armchaired diagnosed, and ultimately be told they are liars and the reason ableism exists.

This sort of behaviour and shaming people helps no one, no, not even the "ideal mentally ill" people who are quiet and don't talk about their mental illness.

These subreddits are filled to the brim with blatant ableism [dubbing everyone delusional, FDC literally banned people from talking about their disorders in the comments] and plain old bullying [No, calling people attention whores and sad/pathetic is not "good bullying"]

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Endogenic plurals you are not pretending to have anything. Don't listen to the people who insist they know more about yourself than you do.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

And calling us mentally deficient is really common too... which is kind of suspect...

Anti endos will say endogenic systems are delusional and then in the same breath say WE'RE the ableist ones??? 💀

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[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Basing plurality outside of DID and OSDD on CDD standards, psych papers and research, and the experience of those with these disorders is just. Not helpful in understanding our plurality or our community.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Compare your plurality to your queerness, alterhumanity, kin, neurodivergence, and anything else because you are allowed to make comparison about your own experiences. You are not being ridiculous or stupid in talking about your own experiences in a way that makes sense to you.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

My issue with posts like "if you claim to experience this as a system you are wrong and actively harmful" is that the people writing them have no way of knowing what any system is experiencing internally and it just contributes to the vicious "this is the only correct way to experience plurality" machine.

You have no way of knowing what any plural person is experiencing because plural folk literally have no way to prove their experiences to you - this is why I find these sorts of posts cruel.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

I don't think the people advocating for endogenics and non-CDD systems to "just use other terms" like polymind realise how utterly invalidating it is to systems.

There's a big difference between polyminds and endogenic systems.

With polyminds, you're recognizing parts of your own personality - the part of your brain that's anxious all the time. The part that nags you like your mother used to, in her voice. Your inner child. The part of you that comes out when you have to give a speech that can do it without breaking a sweat. The part of you that really loves Legos and dreams of building an entire room in your house out of them.

Endogenics aren't giving names to parts of one personality. Each member in an endogenic system has their own subparts. We're more separated than in a polymind - we don't all aquiesce at the end of the day to one overarching ego. We each have our OWN id, ego, and superego. We each have our own inner child, inner critic, inner Lego fan (LOL) etc.

What's more, we're each people, with all that entails. We have our own thoughts and opinions. Hopes and fears. Motivations. Reasons for living. Senses of self, gender, sexuality, identity. Patterns of thinking and behaving.

We're not simple parts of one person. Not even us median systems - we medians may usually be to some degree parts of a whole, but we're more independent than a singlet's or polymind's parts. There's more division between us median facets, and we're much more closer to whole full separate people than in a polymind.

So please don't say or imply that we endogenics should just call ourselves polyminds and separate ourselves from the system community. We're systems. We're many independent entities in the same body and brain, not mere parts of a single person given a name and treated like separate people to help the central individual better understand their own self.

Each endogenic systemmate has their our own selves to figure out. That's what makes us a system.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Being transDID, transOSDD, or transplural is a completely separate thing from willogenics and other types of created systems. Stop downplaying the harmfulness of the transid and pro-radqueer community by trying to say it's "basically the same" as being an endogenic system.

Spreading this misinformation emotionally harms those who were victims of the radqueer community.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Daily reminder that origin syscourse is not "traumatised people vs non-traumatised people". Framing it as such ignores the nuances of lived plural experiences.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Not to be syscourse-y but implying that endogenics can not be traumatised and are "afraid of real scary trauma symptoms" you are actively fakeclaiming endogenics who do have trauma and scary trauma symptoms.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Polymind was never an 'alternative' to identifying as a system, endogenics are not pestering polyminds to identify as systems, and I think a lot of discourse around polyminds has just... been blown way out of proportion. Polymind is cool, but it's not about plurality.

I see all these people arguing about polyminds in syscourse but like, they seem to be missing an important point.

You do all realize that polyminds were never meant to be tangled up in system spaces?

The term wasn't coined to replace endogenic systems. It wasn't coined to be r/systemcringe approved systems. It wasn't coined for systems in denial.

The term was coined people like me who have similar experiences but can't find a label, for those confused about what they are; because at first I thought it was just me, but it isn't.

The only reason why they ended up in the spaces is because other people kept insisting they're similar or even the same.

But the majority of polyminds just want to exist in peace.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

I think talking about anti-endogenic narratives is just as important as talking about other anti-plural narratives. Fakeclaiming, the use of sanist beliefs and phrases, prejudice and stereotyping, demonization, and such is just as not-good when directed at endogenics and non-CDD plurals as it is when directed at traumagenic and CDD plurals.

Systems exist behind the screen too. The internet doesn't just exist in a bubble. Social media is often the only place systems can be open about their existence, which I think adds weight to this conversation. Syscourse is important to so many plurals because it directly impacts system spaces - the only place they can be open about their plurality.

"Systems are just kids who forgot they can roleplay without claiming to be plural" is just as offensive when directed at endogenics as it is at traumgenics and just as anti-plural. It's something that also deserves to be addressed and be spoken about just as seriously.

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.

Stop making endogenic and other non-CDD plurality about CDDs.