#lokitv

[hexbaiting]

“Some years ago my brother was banished from Asgard, and sent to Earth. And when he came back he was different. Changed somehow. I thought it was weakness. I mocked him. Said he’d gone soft.” - LOKI 2x04 HEART OF THE TVA

[sylkithecat]

@giftober 2024 + @mcuchallenge | Day 9/31: Numbers

[cutterpillow92]

Loki, Season 2 (2023)

@giftober 2024 + @mcuchallenge | day 31: Free // Opening and closing scene of Loki TV Series (Season 2: 2023) - minus the recap and post credit scenes.

SEASON 1

[loveyazy]

LOKI (2021-?) 2.04 | Heart of the TVA

[pedro-reed]

Ke Huy Quan as Orouboros LOKI SEASON 2 (2023), created by Michael Waldron

[meep-meep-richie]

´´ he cares about you.´´

[fandommiss]

Liz Carr as Judge Gamble in Loki

[mcufam]

Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

LOKI serie 2021-2023

[lokilau-feyson]

TOM HIDDLESTON as LOKI LAUFEYSON

LOKI (2021)  | 2.01 Ouroboros

[hexbaiting]

Loki: Agent of Asgard Issue #10

[sylkithecat]

@giftober 2024 + @mcuchallenge | Day 17: Phone call/Text

[seasicksilver]

is this anything

[loveyazy]

LOKI (2021-?) 2.01 | Ouroboros

[pedro-reed]

Gugu MBatha-Raw as Ravonna Renslayer LOKI SEASON 2 (2023), created by Michael Waldron

[lokiqueerasineffyou]

Very conflicted still about the end of LokiTV because, like, on the one hand, he’s now unquestionably the most powerful character in the MCU to the point that he’s not even on the same scale as any of the others, Billy and Wanda think they’re all that micro-managing single small-scale pocket universes, that’s adorable

On the other hand, my mans turned into a tree.

So you can see my issue

[sunflowerdigs]

I thought I was the only one slogging through reddit (they have all the spoilers)! Let me know where you frequent. I'm mostly over at r/marvelstudios and r/marvelstudiosspoilers. Sometime r/lokitv, but I've found it doesn't get much traffic. Anyway, yes, every sub I've been to has been downright hostile towards Lokius, which is so strange to encounter in 2023. I'm part of many subs for many subjects, hobbies, and fandoms, and I've never encountered this level of racism, misogyny, and homophobia. The way they try to cover for their shitty views and insecurities by saying that it's just what some mythical "general audience majority" thinks is funny. Twitter tends to be my barometer, though, rather than reddit, and luckily twitter seems to be very in favor, though there is more hostility there than here. I think the fact that Sylki flopped helps, so people who would have otherwise used the existence of a straight-appearing ship to deny Lokius can't do that. They have to fall back on the argument that you've noted "let men be friends", as though male friendship doesn't dominate media.

You're really generous. I think there are two groups of people - (1) allies who genuinely did not see Lokius because heteronormativity (as you've said) and (2) really entitled straight white fanboys who consider everyone who is not like them an "other" who should have minimal to no role in these movies. And I think reddit is mostly made up of the latter. They'll say that they'd be willing to support Lokius if it was a romance and not a friendship but you can bet that the moment it became canon, all of these same people would start talking about how Marvel isn't about romance, so why do we expect Lokius to get any scenes? It's just pandering anyway *eyeroll*.

I check in on Reddit once in a while to gauge where the "general audience" is at with certain things, including shipping. Unsurprisingly, the majority of subredditors don't see Lokius as having any validity.

I mulled over why this is, and I've come to the conclusion that, as a society, we are very bad at understanding that the human experience is a fluid continuum. We get so bogged down with labels and separating things by those labels that we don't consider the fact that those labels are in and of themselves social constructs.

This may be why so many people have trouble wrapping their minds around being trans, gender fluidity, romantic friendships, gray asexuality--essentially anything that can be in flux. Ironic, since our lives are always in flux.

To tie this back to Lokius and shipping in general, heteronormative media relies on oblique cues for romance: falling onto a mattress, facing one another across a low-lit table and speaking in hushed voices, sharing a blanket, a kiss.

But the queer experience has been oppressed for so long that a heteronormative audience doesn't know how to look for queer romantic cues that are not overt (physically or verbally), and they don't know how to look for those cues precisely because they've never had to be hidden. They never lived that experience.

And this bias inevitably leads to the logical fallacy that heterosexual friends can absolutely fall in love, but two men who started out as friends shouldn't (read: "can't") fall in love because "friends and lovers are two different things".

Really? So by that definition, my lover can't also my friend? What?

"Why can't they just be friends?" That question signals the fear of men being mistaken as gay when showing another man affection. This fear doesn't really happen between women. At least, not often. I have yet to meet a woman who was offended for being mistaken as their best friend's lover.

This means that our media needs a queer male character who has BOTH a male romantic partner AND cis-straight male friends to show both can (and does) happen concurrently.

Gah, the rigidness of social constructs is worse than duct tape.