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The Many Names of Peace (pt.2/?): Compassion

Inspired by Why We Did Nothing by BairnSidhe

Part I | Part II

CONTENT WARNINGS:

Genocide (discussed). The Dral'han/Excision is mentioned and spoken about for a few paragraphs.

Child murder (discussed). Padawan hunting is haunts the narrative, and one of the victims was the main character's brother.

Corpse desecration (mentioned). Padawan braids and beads are found in Mandalorian art and stolen Lightsabers are carried on belts.

Missing children (discussed). A Master and a very young Padawan have disappeared in a high risk field post.

"But… still" Terith swallows hard, shaking their head. They don't like it, but they understand where the Jetiise of that time were coming from. But the present… "The Dral'han was a time long ago, and you offer much to nearly everyone else. Yet you never reach that benevolent hand toward Mandalore. You've never even tried to repair what they destroyed." 

Terith has seen Manda'yaim. They know how much damage the Dral'han did to the planet. They know many people died, they know entire Clans were wiped out from existance. Sometimes, they wonder how many of the dead had nobody left to say the Remembrances for them.

The Jetiise did nothing. Even if Terith can understand why, it doesn't absolve them. A genocide, the blood of a people, is on their hands.

"We will." Zahara responds, with the easy confidence that comes from faith in her people, from the knowledge of what they have done to help everybody, even those who hurt them.

"That claim has been unfounded so far, Jetii" Terith shoots back, not as angry as before but still furious over the lack of action from those who are supposed to be the guardians of peace and justice. "Despite every petition for aid and reconciliation, despite Mand'alor after Mand'alor swallowing their pride for the sake of their people. Of course people call you heartless, why shouldn't they, when you show no sign of that compassion you claim to uphold? I bet you don't even consider Mandalore beyond History lessons on the barbarians from the Outer Rim."

Zahara can't help it. She chuckles. The Mandalorian doesn't know, cannot imagine how wrong they are. But this time it's only ignorance, and ignorance can be fixed.

Delahm, kyii leo’yth.

"It's actually a favorite assignment for young Jedi Service Corps members" the kage Jedi says wryly. "How to save you, when you exist so close to destruction every day. It's used to teach problem solving, since there are a million ways to do it. I'm not a Service Corps member so I'll admit my knowledge is limited, but according to my… friends, the Corps have been collecting the best ideas for… over seven hundred and sixty years, actually."

Under their buy'ce, Terith's jaw drops. They try to speak, but it only comes out as a wordless sound of disbelief.

"We don't just consider your suffering, we have plans to end it, and we will." Zahara adds, seeing as the Mandalorian is too surprised and confused to interrupt her. Then she shrugs, there are more decisions involved than she has power over —the Senate will have the final say. "One day. Maybe."

"What do you mean maybe?!" Terith demands. "You Jetiise get some sort of sick pleasure of having the keys to saving my people and do nothing to help us out, all for some grudge against long dead Mando'ade?!"

"Who said 'long dead'?!" Zahara snarls, feeling the familiar sharp cold of fury curling in her stomach, her mind conjuring the memory of a light snuffed out, and a familiar braid hanging from a different set of armor.

The Mandalorian's fury swirls in the Force, and it takes all of Zahara's willpower to ignore it. Her mental shields will be metaphorical splinters at this rate. She grits her teeth and slowly breathes in and out.

Kai’an. Soo’yth, kyii kai’an. Bexlyth, kyii maijah.

"If we stood by once because our lives and memories are long, yes, it was petty, cruel and beneath us" Zahara agrees easily. It was wrong and, even if she understands their reaction emotionally, the Shadow will make no attempt to justify it. Unfortunately, there is the milodon in the room yet to adress, and it seems like Terith will not get it until she spells it out for them. "But is pettiness, is it cruelty, to protect our people now? From very real and current threats?

"We will give you the plans, we will give you our aid, we will grant you our forgiveness and friendship" Zahara places her right hand over her heart, in the kage gesture of oath taking. "We will give you everything… when the hunts, murders and desecrations stop."

"Wait. Wait. What do you mean when they stop?!" Terith questions, fighting against rising horror. "The Jetii hunts happened centuries ago…!"

"Two of my Siblings are dead at Mandalorian hands" Zahara cuts them off. Fire burns in her eyes as she remembers the desecrations she's seen, the braids and beads decorating tapestries, the Lightsabers hanging from unworthy belts. She understands ignorance, but she will not let this armored aristocrat dictate a rewrite her of people's tragedy. The kage Jedi will not allow Terith to look away from what their people have done. "The most recent Mandalorian murders of Jedi were mere months ago."

The Jetii steps foward, and Terith takes a step back. The most recent. Two vod dead at the hands of Mando'ade. She makes no more attempts to approach them, but Terith isn't fooled. They know the rumors of Jetiise being able to kill people with their minds. Even without armor, even without weapons —although they doubt she doesn't carry a kad'au, since all Jetiise seem to—, even tied up and blindfolded, the near-human Jetii is one of, if not the, most dangerous being in the area.

"You only draw breath because I don't see braids or beads decorating your armor" Zahara says slowly, wanting to make sure the message sinks in. "Thus I'm going to assume you've killed no younglings of my people, at least recently. As a show of kindness and goodwill. Like I've said before, Jedi are merciful."

There's an explosion close by. The building shakes, and Zahara pulls herself out of her memories. She's not here to get justice that borders on revenge —if it isn't outright—, she's here to find the missing Jaieh-Padawan pair that got caught in the crossfire of her homeplanet's war.

"If you, or any with you, have harmed the Knight or, Force forbid, the missing youngling I'm trying to find" she whispers, so low Terith's buy'ce almost doesn't pick it up, "I'm going to, without a care for the Code against murder and revenge and the Republic restrictions on my people, tear you apart limb from limb."

"Wait. Wait. There's an adiika in this mess?!" Terith exclaims in alarm. "What happened?!"

Zahara sighs, feeling all the anger leave her as quickly as it came. The unexpected reaction from the Mandalorian has knocked all the fight out of her. So, she falls back on the same base all Jedi rely on: the sharing of knowledge.

"A long story involving a Master taking in a youngling older than usual despite the Republic's restrictions, which started a chain reaction of massive proportions" Zahara doesn't say what the massive proportions are. One would need to be a Jedi and have all the details, otherwise they'd find it ridiculous. She's a Jedi and knows the details and still finds it ridiculous. "Said chain reaction led to the Master getting killed in the middle of a war and his grieving Padawan being Knighted in a rush in order to raise and train the youngling."

Terith's heart goes out for the adiika and their cabur. Poor Jet'verd, promoted too soon after the death of their mentor and having to take care of a grieving and lost ad.

"Somehow, this led to the Jaieh-Padawan pair being sent to mediate a corporate dispute on this kriffing planet in the middle of a war, which is not a training post, it's a high risk field post" the Jetii goes on, and her worry for the missing adiika is genuine. "Particularly because of its proximity to space marked as Knight and Master only, because our Padawans, our younglings, don't come back."

"You mean Mandalorian space" Terith says, and there's something in their voice. Not acceptance or understanding, but… resignation. A willingness not to question the Jedi's experiences.

"Yeah" Zahara agrees, "I do."

(Notes under the cut)

Dai Bendu

Delahm, kyii leo’yth — ignorance, yet knowledge

Kai'an — inner balance, inner peace

Soo’yth, kyii kai’an — emotion, yet peace

Bexlyth, kyii maijah — passion, yet serenity

Mando'a

Jetiise — Jedi (plural)

Jetii — Jedi (singular)

Manda'yaim — lit. "Home of the Mandalorian soul", planet Mandalore

Buy'ce — helmet

Mando'ade — Mandalorians. Lit "children of Mandalore"

Kad'au — Lightsaber

Adiika — child, kid, someone under thirteen.

Cabur — guardian, person who's taking care of a child but isn't their parent.

Dral'han is the orbital bombardment of Mandalore, done by the Republic in roughly 800BBY. As Terith says, entire Clans were wiped out from existance. They understand why the Jedi didn't do anything (in fact, they're self-aware enough to know they'd do worse), but they're still angry, rightfully so. Zahara knows it too, makes no attempt to justify it, and explains that most Jedi know it was fucked up and are making plans for reparations.

Terith: *says Mandalorians have attempted reconciliation, that the Mandalorians who kill Jedi Padawans are all dead and that Jedi don't consider the Mandalorians' plight* Zahara: Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Zahara means her enishee and Padawan-sibling. She stumbles over the words because there is no good translation in Basic.

"Over seven hundred and sixty years" AKA since the Dral'han.

Milodons are huge, insect-like animals native to Quarzite, the kages' home planet. Kage Warriors often use them as mounts. And, because kage memory is Like That, Zahara has fond memories of riding a milodon as a toddler. Like most other Jedi, Zahara is very close to the culture she was born in and has incorporated many Kage Warrior traditions into her life (now I'll have brain-rot about this fictional culture we know literally nothing about in order to flesh out Zahara more, yay!).

The right hand over the heart (left side of the chest for kages, humans and kiffars, varies in other species) is the kage gesture of oath taking. However, it's also a Mandalorian salute. Terith is a bit confused, but easily and correctly guesses it's a gesture of oath taking, but incorrectly assumes it's a Jedi one.

"We will help you once we are sure you won't murder our children" is not exactly an unreasonable demand. Unfortunately, many Mandalorians don't know it's still happening because bigots and Jedi hunters have learned to hide their…hobbies. So, to them, it looks like the Jedi still hold a grudge for something that happened (under their point of view, remember different species have widely different lifespans and memories) a long time ago. It's common in fanfiction to depict Mandalorians as diverse, but in the many canonical sources I've checked (Disney and Legends), while there has been alien ancestry mentioned (which isn't a feat considering the size of the galaxy), those considered Mandalorians are nearly always human. It's weird. So I've decided that there are multiple species among Mandalorians, but most of them are near-humans (trogutas, zabraks, twi'leks, kiffars, kages, etc), not netis, kel dors or whatever species Yoda is, so they don't have members of long-lived species that lived through the Excision or the New Sith Wars, unlike the Jedi who do have first hand accounts.

"Two of my Siblings are dead at Mandalorian hands" Drovan her crechemate is the first "sibling" of Zahara's killed by Mandalorians. The other (who hasn't come up yet) is Feemor. Feemor was registered as a Watchman and a Finder, although he was actually a Shadow, and adored kids. His death kickstarts a chain reaction of events of epic, galactic-wide proportions, so any details will be spoilers (Zahara says siblings because there is no good word in Basic to describe Jedi relationships She once claimed Basic sucks as a teenager and hasn't backed down since)

For the record, I'd like to state the Battle of Galindraan has already happened here. I want to state that, despite common fandom misconception, the Mandalorians shot first. While the Jedi had their Lightsabers drawn (perfectly reasonable considering the Mandalorians are enemies nearly as ancient as the Sith), they were a fair distance away and couldn't attack unless they were reflecting blaster shots ie. self defense.

"Armored aristocrat". This misunderstanding is a result of a cultural miscommunication. In the past (when Tarre Vizla was alive and Jedi-Mandalorian relationships were "enemy of my enemy" rather than complete animosity), only those born in important Houses (Vizla, Wren and Kryze) could afford a full beskar armor (those Houses have a few hundred people each). Beskar is, after all, rare and expensive. This is why Zahara assumes Terith is from a noble House, which in her mind translates to "aristocratic bastard". However, the gorane decided, at some point when the Houses' influence had dimmed, to dilute and alloy beskar with other more common and less expensive metals, both to make their jobs easier and to give more people armor. This, paired with the recent trend of passing down armor through families, most Mandalorians have their own beskar'gam instead of just the kar'ta (heart of the armor, where the sigil representing Clan and faction is).

To add to the above point, choosing to make Wren and Vizla important Houses was because, in TCW, it's mentioned that most people want Satine as a ruler and are in favor of, at least, most of her policies and reforms, but the warrior elite hates her guts (which implies most Mandalorians aren't actually warriors, unlike what fanon seems to believe, only the elite can be warriors).

Said warrior elite founded Death Watch to commit terrorism and scare the people enough that they'd accept them ruling with an iron fist. Death Watch members are basically privileged nobles and aristocrats throwing a temper tantrum because they can't get away with being assholes anymore.

The mission to Quarzite was supposed to be simple and easy enough for a young Knight and their very young Padawan. But the Senate is careless with Jedi lives, and sends them on missions understaffed or with faulty intel every other time. A missing Padawan, particularly a Padawan as young as the one missing, is cause for alarm. Hence why Zahara was pulled from the investigation of Feemor's murder and sent to find the missing Knight and Padawan. The Council isn't very optimistic, but they want to have corpses to burn, Lightsabers and kybers to honor them and some consolation of knowing what happened to them.

In case it wasn't clear, the Knight and Padawan that went missing in the middle of a warzone are Obi-Wan and Anakin. Because of course they are, it's Obi-Wan and Anakin we're talking about.

The war Zahara mentions is the one between kages and belugans. The belugans have been subjugating the kages for centuries, and the kages fighting back caused the start of a war. Anakin and Obi-Wan were supposed to negotiate a standard and boring corporate dispute between two belugan corporations. However, Anakin is beginning to learn bad behaviors (mainly from Palpatine) and decided to do something stupidly reckless.

"Somehow". Indeed, the Jedi have no fucking idea of how all those events even fit together. Then they realize Obi-Wan and Anakin are members of Yoda's line and go "yeah that makes sense." Feemor is the only sane one in that crazy lineage, and he's a fucking Shadow that busts slave rings in his downtime!

[mortiflyer]

Kind of obsessed with the people in the atp tours comments when they do trivia who get annoyed that tennis players r fucking stupid like yeah hes 23 &dropped out of middle school to hit a ball around...idk what u expected

[corvus-council]

Im in a pickle rn

Im making an interactive fiction dating sim for fun (nothing too serious, im just letting myself be whilst writing it) and now i have a problem

There are 6 characters you can romance here- 3 females and 3 males. Nothing wrong there until I SUDDENLY WANT IT TO BE A YAOI NOW

And the MC is a male bc idk how to change the gender and i am JUST learning how to code on my own

Send help

[unfamiliar-ghostly-system]

Being transDID, transOSDD, or transplural is a completely separate thing from willogenics and other types of created systems. Stop downplaying the harmfulness of the transid and pro-radqueer community by trying to say it's "basically the same" as being an endogenic system.

Spreading this misinformation emotionally harms those who were victims of the radqueer community.

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Men who view women as their intellectual equals 😍

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[fauna-and-floraa]

always interesting to hear people speak about kpop and how often they'll focus in on the fact a group was "put together" by a company and therefore that group is less than or fake or somehow tainted because they didn't organically form out in the wild and I'm like... of all the things you could have contempt about, thats the one you chose? That one?

[ed-nygma]

Nations should all be small. The bigger a country, the greater the odds that it exists due to imperialism and forced assimilation. And in addition, it makes no sense for people to be governed by anyone who is completely out of touch with local interests.

[traegorn]

while i completely agree with your assessment of realistically what a trump vs harris presidency will look like, i think the issue me and a lot of other leftists have is that there is no need to tell people (and effectively tell harris) that oh ofc we are gna vote for her despite these issues because trump is THAT bad and if you say you don't want to vote for her because her party is pro-war, pro-genocide, then you are condemning americans to a trump presidency. we know trump is worse! i don't want him to win AT ALL, but why would harris even consider even changing the language she is using (i'm looking at the absolutely stupid speech she was giving in michigan, given the large arab & muslim-american population there and given its a battleground state) if she thinks she is going to win on a not-trump basis? i know who i'm voting for on nov 5th if it comes down to it, but we need the democrats to THINK they are going to lose until the very last minute, we need them to feel like they can't just rely on being the lesser of two evils if we want any chance of a shift on palestine. because they very well might lose, for this exact reason (and i'm speaking again more to the votes of the arab & muslim-american population which is far more demographically meaningful than the votes of leftists) and if that happens, they have no one to blame but themselves.

So I'm going to tell you something important: You don't have the leverage you think you have.

Political campaigns are a machine that's been operating the same way for a long time on the Democratic side. The Republicans may have abandoned a lot of the old ways of doing things, but the Democratic party hasn't. And you've got people running these campaigns who are steeped in the "wisdom" of how you win.

And when a block of voters says they're not going to vote for their candidate, they tend to believe them. So they decide to go court the people who they think will vote for them. That's why you've seen the Harris campaign trying to court moderate Republicans who might be iffy on voting for Trump a third time.

Right now one of the reasons Netanyahu is refusing to commit to a cease fire is because he thinks Trump can win. If Trump wins, he has no reason to ever agree to one. One of the reasons he thinks Trump can win is because the polling is so close.

If you want to know why they've gone to the right recently, it's because they think they've lost the left. And since a lot of those leftists are claiming there's a line in the sand that they don't have the power to appease (because -- again -- they can't get Netanyahu to do shit right now), they're going to go for the centrist Republicans.

Also, there seems to be this weird notion that the only way to move the Democrats is during the election. That's not how you move people. You keep pressuring them during their term and it works. Like Biden is continuing to work on forgiving student debt even though he doesn't have an election ahead of him. Because they know that what he does reflects on the future of the party. Voting doesn't end this game, it's the start of it.

But none of it will matter if Trump wins.

[chanafehs]

At the risk of attracting the wrong people to this blog - I think the reason why some of you get really offended when people call you, celebrities you like, organizations you support, companies you buy from, etc., zionists, is because a lot of you actually don't know what zionism is.

I think there is a preconceived notion that a zionist is someone who calls Palestinians slurs, openly supports genocide, chants death to arabs while getting their coffee or something along those lines, and granted there are a lot like this, but a zionist is someone who supports the existence of the state of Israel - and if you know your history of al-nakba, al-naksa, Palestinian land theft, settler colonialism, massacres, displacement going back over a century - you'd know why this is inherently a bad thing.

It's why statements like "I support Israel and Palestine", "I support a two-state solution", "I want peace for both sides" or "Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist" are always intrinsically zionist. Actually learn what these terms mean because some of the things I see you guys calling 'pro-Palestine' are still rooted in zionism.

[transhuman-priestess]

Pros of soldering:

You can fix so many things

Playing with hot metal is fun

Helps you appreciate how bullshit planned obsolescence is

Save money on musical instrument work

Cons of soldering:

Inevitably someone will react in horror to the notion you have existed in the same room as lead

[notaplaceofhonour]

I think Contrapoints misunderstands a lot about the conflict, and internalizes some really harmful beliefs as a result, but her diagnosis of issues with the explosion of post-10/7 Anti-Zionism are generally correct, if incomplete.

She’s correct about people just wanting others to join their chorus of anger, and reading any hesitation, refusal, or nuanced/partial disagreement as full-throated endorsement of what they’re angry about—and the extreme backlash to her post is further confirmation of just that.

She’s correct about the fact that broadening the goals from protecting Palestinian civilians to the wholesale destruction & demonization of Zionism as “genocidal fascism” doomed the Pro-Palestinian cause by shrinking the coalition and tying it to politically infeasible goals.

She’s correct about the negative impact of this rhetoric on Jews, that most Jews are Zionists, and about there being a history of antisemites dogwhistling their hatred of Jews as opposition to “Zionism”.

But she’s wrong about this being new or external to the Pro-Palestine movement; it was true of WOL, SJP, JVP, et al (and the terrorist orgs they carry water for: Hamas, PFLP, etc.) before 10/7—they’ve just enjoyed an explosion of popularity these last couple years. That explosion in popularity is just when it came into view, so it seems new to her.

As I’ve discussed before, central narratives to the Anti-Zionist movement (such as the allegation of a Zionist plot to genocide the Palestinians) are not new, and can be traced all the way back to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This isn’t something external haters are bringing into the Pro-Palestine protest movement; The Protocols are taught in Palestine by Hamas as historical fact—as they were in Germany by the Nazi Party, for the same reasons. It is a stochastic narrative meant by antisemites to drive people towards the exact extreme behavior Contrapoints is noticing, to drive people towards terrorism and towards Hamas.

So she’s wrong to frame the Jewish & Israeli understanding of the violence of 10/7 and the “Student Flood” (built around a narrative from The Protocols)—that they are inherent existential threats—as a “panic” or merely a rightwing thing. The roots of the problems she is rightfully critiquing here actually go deeper than she realizes, into the very narrative she herself believes.

Ultimately, I think she might be reachable. If she can be disabused of the notion that we’re just panicked and acting out of fear and vengeful hatred. If she can understand that our perceptions of the conflict actually come from a deep understanding of its history and propaganda used within it, rather than being manipulated by fear.

[angstandhappiness]

True. Not a fan of Yuko from Future Diary but Juvia looks like a Saint next to her so yeah, I like the later better.

@fairydares : #like you're not going to kill an entire archetype beloved and characterized for its flaws#by hating it more loudly. you're just going to get blocked.#like id personally be happier if there were fewer yandere characters and i think the entire notion is actually misogynistic but#at the end of the day its fiction and it would be ridiculous and arrogant for me to sit here claiming moral or intellectual superiority#over people who like the trope. it's ludicrous to assume they think the dynamic is healthy irl like thats not a thing.

@lollydolly676 : #pro gruvia#pro-gruvia#gruvia#mashima loves to play up juvia's stalkerness for comedy and I understand that it can make people uncomfortable#but some people can look past it

The other thing with Gruvia is that a lot of the people who hate it really just don't like the "yandere" archetype/dynamic. Which is fine and tbh gruvia is an exception for me because I've always hated yandere characters in everything else (plus her yandere aspects are admittedly what I like least about her) but it's sort of weird to see these posts that are like "No you know what FUCK gruvia because *literal perfect description of the exact archetype Mashima was going for with this character*"

[centrally-unplanned]

I have lost the original link alas, but right after the 2024 election there was an article breaking down the "ecosystem" of new right-wing online influencers that are an increasingly large source of the news for younger, typically-male Americans. It was a good article - lots of cool graphics - and generally spoke about how these people were just heavily right-wing at their core, even if they talked about a wide range of non-political content, which was forming a new, closed-off ecosystem.

I had a whole piece I was writing, which I eventually scrapped, partially challenging that notion. I went in and I watched a half-dozen of the highlighted YouTubers, finding their "big moments" talking about the election, and while for sure they leaned right - sometimes heavily so - they were also much more diverse than the article was giving them credit for. Flagrant was one of the ones I was going to highlight specifically - his video on the election itself was, you know, nothing I would watch organically, but it was a legitimate conversation. He had a bunch of guests on who didn't all agree, they spoke positively about Obama, highlighted Kamala failing to focus on cost of living and distancing herself from Biden, took jabs at Trump's ethics, etc. They even cracked a classic joke about abortion, calling it "guns for women - most will never need one, but just in case they fucking want one", which is a little crass but not honestly inaccurate and the point was they were very chill with women not voting Trump because he was pro-life.

A lot of these guys just aren't the bubble you might think they are - they essentially can't be to maintain their audiences, which have a lot of diversity of thought under the hood. What they are, though, is dissident - they all unite around hating the establishment. The mainstream media, the woke agenda, the big money elites, all that stuff. In the Biden years this comes off as very right wing? In a sense it is, fair enough, but in another sense they just hate the center, whoever that is. This is the reality of thermostatic shift in US politics - and how the audience for this kind of content works. They can't maintain that audience saying "yeah, everything is fucking great now".

And so when you win on the back of this audience, and become the center, it's baked in that they will in some ways turn on you. Which is why I was very much not surprised reading a piece from Brian Beulter on influencer responses to the Epstein topic and seeing him highlighting a clip from our boy Flagrant just absolutely ripping into Trump on the whole thing. He was out here saying he is either an opportunistic liar or a pedophile, it wasn't subtle! The brand wasn't MAGA, it was "being interesting". It was also "fuck the wokes", man humor, all that stuff too - which matters. But while there is absolutely the Fox News audience for slavish cult loyalty, that just does not describe the whole world of the "right" by any means.

Which I do think is politically relevant, because I saw a lot of democratic discourse doing a combination of defeatism and "pipeline" myopia. Essentially you had the people going "the info environment is totally cooked, everyone just wants right wing propaganda" and then grasping at straws to be like how do we build our own Joe Rogan. Because going on Joe Rogan as a lib is impossible. But it isn't, right? The info environment is kinda cooked, the thermostatic swing of public opinion in the US is because people are really fucking stupid in some ways. That is the game board though, and you actually can just go on Joe Rogan as a lib, particularly once you are out of power, and if you actually adopt stances that don't completely piss these people off.

I think part of the reason people think the above is that they confuse audiences with the commentary. Something I remember from watching that original 2024 election coverage video was looking at the comments. I know, the comments of a YouTube video about politics, am I insane?? Yes, actually, and so what I noticed is that the comments were much more right wing than the video itself. Often critical, even, of the "both side-sing" of various topics:

That last one aged like fine wine, incredible. All this can make you think that, man, this audience is fucking all in on MAGA. And then you go to the latest Epstein video and:

People are ripping into both Trump and the dumbasses who voted for him! You could convince me half of these people are career libs if you tried.

The conclusion here is not that everyone changed their mind - though some did. The conclusion is that YouTube comments are absolutely fucking useless as data about anything! They are the frothing, rage-fueled tail end of the political bell curve, with a healthy dose of professional trolls, meme hustlers, and shilling bots. But political analysts of all stripes see these comments - and the same shit on twitter and the like - as the audience. They reason from a biased sample, so of course they have the wrong suggestions.

Anyway, TL;DR - after the 2024 election you saw a lot of people talking about the "new online right ecosystem" like it was an impenetrable MAGA cult and it was never that, it was actually a decently diverse field with a mix of insane priorities and actually real issues, and you can authentically try to meet these people where they are to do politics and exploit the thermostatic shift. Get your ass on Rogan and talk shit.

[xclowniex]

The thing with Hasan trying to claim that the Israeli government killed the two people leaving the DC jewish museum is that he has upgraded from spreading conspiracy theories which predate his twitch channel to straight up creating them.

Like there is no factual basis for the concept of Israel being behind the shooting.

Like it is well documented that the shooter, Elias Rodriguez, was pro Palestine and had been for a while. He said himself after the united Healthcare ceo that he agreed with vigilante killings. There is a clear line of radicalisation present on his social media which you can witness if you scroll back far enough.

What hasans conspiracy theory is founded on, is a logical fallacy.

Grammerly defines logical fallacy as "an argument that can be disproven through reasoning. This is different from a subjective argument or one that can be disproven with facts; for a position to be a logical fallacy, it must be logically flawed or deceptive in some way"

The specific fallacy that Hasan based his conspiracy on is the "no true scotsman"

That is when people change who is included in a group, using criteria which isn't at all related to who is actually part of said group.

Eg. Person 1: no jew likes matzoh brei without eggs

Person 2: well I am jewish and I prefer it without eggs

Person 3: well, no *true* jew like matzoh brei without eggs

Hasan maintains that the pro Palestine movement is entirely peaceful. The idea that someone in the movement shot 2 people, directly challenges that notion. So to keep his argument, he creates the conspiracy theory that the shooter wasn't pro Palestine but a false flag from Israel.

To fit it into the same format as the example

Hasan: "no antizionists are violent"

Jews: "an antizionist just shot and killed 2 people"

Hasan: "well, no *true* antizionist is violent. The shooter must be a zionist parading around as an antizionist for propaganda reasons."

And the reason why the no true scotsman fallacy is a fallacy, is because no group of people are entirely the same. Even when it comes to political opinion. There will be some members who act in a way which you disagree with, but still hold the same core belief.

And instead of moving the goalpost of who is considered an antizionist, the non conspiracy theory, non logical fallacy thing to do, would be to try to make movement no longer a safe space for people who are violent. If you want a peaceful movement, the first step is to recognize that not everyone is peaceful, and take steps and actions to remove non peaceful people from it.

But of course, that requires effort and work. It's much easier to just go "da joos did it" whilst simultaneously saying you aren't antisemitic and just move on with your life.