#star trek is barely about fancy technology saving the universe. that's just a vehicle for really intricate character work

[sirellas]

I love reading your thoughts about discovery. Huge ds9er here. I watched discovery once, s1,2 as they were streaming and last year the rest. I don't remember much but I feel that pretty much what you said about pilot and georgiou apply to most characters and arcs. We are more told about the characters than seeing them ourselves (With a couple of exceptions). For example Michael's arc, her motives, struggles, growth etc I never saw them myself, I was kept told that she's been through this and that, that she changed etc but I never felt it. IMHO it was a show with so many potentials but it needed better writing and better character development

exactly!!! by the time they tried to do a soft reboot in s3, i was still asking myself who these characters even were (except for michael, but you're right too about her. i remember watching in like s2 and still not understanding how the hell she fit into her strange backstory. and the actor is great, but there's only so much acting can make up for). how am i supposed to care about them if all i know about them is a little quippy intro and then they just never do anything with the characters

the thing about discovery, for me, is that it's kind of a bad show but it had the potential to really start something and grow into itself too like you said. same could be said for picard too until they dropped all their original characters.... like they keep getting scared of their own new characters so they rely on gaslighting and nostalgiabaiting to cover it up. and discovery was the first, right, so that's understandable that they were still finding their footing. but then they didn't ever lol. the constant focus on fancy technology and being "cool" and making wild dramatic connections to past canon that just doesn't make sense and then moving past things like they were nothing.... at some point you have to back all that up with real character-driven story that should make people want to keep coming back to it. i don't really dislike any of the characters in discovery mostly because i don't feel strongly enough about them to care either way!! lol and somehow new trek still hasn't learned this lesson almost a decade later.....