#the magnus protocol theory

[hploveshaftt]

By the way. In episode 5 of magnus protocol, GWEN asks about "the old IT guy before colin. No the one before that one. The german guy with the tattoos."

Later. Gwen mentions her "SOURCE" in episode 7. Right after we hear a video of "klaus" being apparently shot. Who the fuck is klaus.

Given that the transcript says "younger lena", we can assume this was a while ago. Enough for 2 IT managers to move on. So. German fr3d1E programmer is KLAUS?

[mita-vittua-olivia]

hi haha just bringing this back !!! now that he was officially mentioned again and seems to be linked to the stasi!

Why I think Klaus the IT guy is behind everything.

i just came up with this theory while relistening (… again) and i feel like i might be onto something here. bear with me, i don’t know how long this post is going to be.

i have several pieces of evidence for this theory.

1. the emails

the mysterious emails coming from a gibberish email address have appeared quite a few times now; sam and gwen have both received several emails with information they were looking for. sam got info on the magnus institute, gwen got incriminating accounts of things lena did. someone is definitely trying to … help them (the emails eventually led to sam’s downfall, and i’m sure gwen won’t be very okay in season 2 either.)

i think the working theory most of the fandom seems to have about the emails is that it’s jon and martin (and perhaps jonah) sending the emails from inside of the computer, but i’m not too sure (partially because i don’t even know if i still believe it’s them in there, but that’s something for another post). i think there is a real chance it could be him; he’s an IT guy after all and i guess he could have a way to find compromising data? i don’t know but i believe it would make sense.

2. colin

this is an excerpt from episode 19, and while the mercury/sulfur/alchemy references are, again, something for another post, i found two things in particular very striking.

firstly, “he sees too much already.” colin is clearly talking about someone in particular, one person who presumably has control of the cameras, computers, and phones. not an organisation, not multiple people, he. singular.

while this could be anyone, the next sentence does make it clear to me who he is talking about (if my theory is correct, at least). “doing mummy and daddy stasi proud, i’m sure”.

for anyone who doesn’t know, the stasi (or Staatssicherheitsdienst = state security service) was the secret police of east germany who would spy on people by, among other things, wiretapping them and going through their mail - and the wiretapping part obviously reminds me a LOT of what’s going on at the oiar. now, this reference would make a lot of sense if it was in fact klaus who is behind things because, as we remember, he is in fact german. so the “mummy and daddy” part makes an awful lot of sense for colin to say.

and again, klaus is an IT guy, so i think he would definitely be able to hack the cameras and phones to spy on the oiar crew.

3. the lena video

the first (and last) appearance klaus had so far was in the video that was sent to gwen (by a gibberish email address; possibly one he made himself) where lena attempts to shoot him. while we don’t know the reasoning behind the attempted assassination, we know that lena is not an evil woman, we know she wouldn’t kill anyone without proper reason. as of episode 30, we know she only does the things she deems necessary, and if she felt like she had to get rid of klaus, something probably did happen with him; something that made her believe he could be dangerous.

i don’t know why klaus would spy on them, i don’t know what his motives or ulterior intentions could be, but i think it is likely he has something to do with it. let me know what you think of my theory or if you have any additional evidence :D

[v-oro]

Ok maybe someone already said this, but I have a theory.

The Fears as we know them in the tma universe started existing ages ago. Probably as soon as the first consciousness capable of feeling fear came into existence. And they had all the time to grow and structure themselves in the way we used to know them there.

But in the tmagp universe they seem to have "joined the party" way later. They fled from the tma universe and reached the tmagp one. And they found themselves in a place where fear has already been existing for ages, and between forms of life that have very complex forms of fear.

So they are developing and interacting with reality in a very different way. When someone feels fear they seem to reach out and transform that fear in a reality.

They are powerful but don't have the same structure that existing from the dawn of time had granted them in the tma universe.

[confused--cryptid]

Okay hear me put

what if the fears arent the fears?

like think abt it, the statements so far havent been very afraid.

theyve all been obsession/desires.

Statement 1: Obsessed with seeing him again

Statement 2: Desire to explore the institute (this ones a lil shakier)

Statement 3: Obsession with perfection

Statement 4: Obsession with his ex (who he killed)

also jonny said the fears had been reconfigured, which what if theyve been reconfigured into the desires.

[idkwhyyouaskingm3-blog]

Been racking my brain on why the person emailing Gwen would want Lena out of her position. That's probably why the emailer is sending Gwen this information

But what if that's not that. What if it wants out. It can read stuff on newer tech but it's stuck in the 90s business version of windows.

She gave him a pen drive. It's found a way out. She's basically given Trevor a virus. How bad would FR3-D1 be if it can do more than just witness horrors but create them

[nanaarchy]

HEY BABES so I was relistening to tma s4 and I couldn't help but notice how.. uhm...

THE WEB SENT JARED HOPWORTH REPEATED LETTERS WITH A NAME AND AN ADDRESS OF WHERE TO ATTACK SO JON COULD GET THE FLESH MARK?????

uhmmmmmmmm sounds familiar??? huh lena?? huh gwen?? thats a cool letter you send to your externals, huh?? so you can control the horrors??? on your little website software?? huh??

[elliekillsu]

SO theory time

We now have to cases of dead people narrating how they died to their greatest fear, as called out by Sam which gives two options

One; they are victims from the eyepocalypse come through to this universe

Two; the [ERROR] released from the institute Is somehow killing people with their worst fear and making them do this, which does seem to align with the idea the [ERROR] is a mess of all the fears, I mean it's literally making zombies and they narrate their death and worst fear that caused it

[theseuscloud]

Okay, okay, stay with me for a moment, I know everyone is going insane but listen to me for a bit, let's focus on the statement, BECAUSE

You know how Jonny said that the entities on tmagp won't be the same as the ones from TMA, right? Right.

We've got one already mostly figured out, being the one from ep 11, looking like the buried mixed with the vast. Fear of the sea, drowning, etc, thalassophobia in general and all that. People have started to call it The Deep, you remember right? Of course you do, you're a smart cookie, good job

There's also the one related with luck, gambles, and addiction. This one's a bit more fuzzy, but episodes 7 and 13, the dice man and the cryptobro, do paint a funny picture. I haven't seen anyone name this one, so I might as well call it The Chance

Stay with me here, darling

I present to you, and I think I may be onto something:

The Superior

Look, The name is a work in progress, maybe you could call it *the ideal*? if you've got a better suggestion, go ahead, but if not, let me explain

Related to the stranger, maybe the flesh or the lonely. We've already had two statements, ep 2 and now ep 17, where the horror has been something that looks like you, but is better than you.

Episode 2, the girl, Daria, hated how she looked, she tried everything to look better, to be better, she tried so hard she was, quite literally, consumed by it. She picked out parts of herself in a Dorian-Gray-esque way until there was nothing left just to live up to this ideal of herself. The ideal was the cause of her demise

Episode 17, doppelganger time baby! What does he find? A man, just like himself, just... Well, better. Rich, beautiful, cheery and welcoming. Well, an ideal self, wouldn't you say? He tried to learn from that ideal self, and then he found out, that the ideal of him was a murderer. Then he murdered him. Isn't that convenient.

This is just a theory, but it is a fun one, so what do y'all think?

[hikaaa-bi]

forget the "entities are desires in tmagp" theory, i raise you "the entities are still fears, but all of the entries we've received so far are from the avatars themselves and not the victims"

[spooksnett]

Recently realised not everyone knew who Lady Mowbray was before today

she was mentioned in the tmagp ARG (like Mr bonzo was)

we didn't know much about her other than she was very rich and she has agents (bodyguards? servants? idk) and when we were solving the ARG she sent one of her people out to specifically tell us to 'Stop investigating into Lady M.'

anyway she's really cool. I immediately clicked on to who she was and she's exactly what I was hoping for and she has dogs. what's more to love honestly. As a huge fan of the hunt and hunt related cases, I lay everything down for this women

also she knows the Bouchards. that can't be good! Rich people gathering when?

[ceaselessims]

someone mentioned a while ago that it's odd that (presumably, if sam is in the tma-verse) a universe without fears had a tape recorder click on without prompting,,,,

but the very last scene of tma, when the fears are supposedly gone, a tape recorder still clicks on by itself, at least a few days to weeks after jon and martin are gone.

the only difference is that basira, melanie, and georgie guessed (correctly) they were able to turn it off. something is still able to listen if it ever wants to.

sticking to the science element of the magnus protocol, perhaps what happened here is like a chemical reaction.

TMA is taking place under a hood, where the elements can be mixed and matched to create different reactions in a controlled environment. elias was able to make this huge big chemical reaction under the hood. He was able to calculate the equation so it would be unbalanced in favor of the Watcher.

This reaction was going to sustain itself until all of the elements (read: other fears) slowly blinked out of existence. Jon was going to be an accelerant, speed up the chemical reaction to make it die out faster.

but everyone else says to open The Hood, expose the reaction to the rest of the room. Maybe the reaction continues, maybe it doesn't. Maybe the elements are able to be recombined and it happens again, maybe they aren't. The only way to find out is to open it up.

and they do.

they open the hood.

and the reaction stops

the space allows for the chemical bonds to break and the reaction and chemical equation becomes balanced once again.

but just because the elements are balanced, doesn't mean they're all gone. they aren't in enough quantities to be harmful anymore, but that doesn't mean they're not still there

[archivistlesbianisms]

So since we're getting much more Archivist lore, I thought I'd share my little theory on their identity (spoilers obvs up until magp 34):

It's pretty much been confirmed at this point that the archivist is not Jon, so it's likely another archivist from the Magnus Institute. Gertrude, however, is kind of minding her business with Gerry (bless them) so we're left with very few choices. Additionally, tape recorders are a web-based manifestation, so this Archivist likely has a connection to the web as well (yes Gertrude also used tape recorders but she didn't get any specific power from them).

So which character do we know who

- Was connected to the institute

- Is a woman

- Is the right age

- Has a connection to the web

Now hear me out:

Emma Harvey.

She was likely the next in line of archivists at the institute after Gertrude since she was her main assistent, so it's very likely she would succeed Gertrude after her departure. She was confirmed in mag 167 to be insatiably curious and very predatory, hence why she would attack Sam, Gwen, and many others. She's heavily connected to the web, and would indeed be quite old in 2024 (Ink5oul calling them a "manky old git")

Of course it's also very possible that I'm just reading too much into this and it's actually a completely new character but knowing how Jonny Sims writes I don't think that's very likely.

Curious to hear more thoughts on this!!

[teepussilakana]

why am i imagining Colin hiding under a blanket with a "Not Colin" sign stapled onto it in some supply closet this entire time

[real-life-werewolf]

the way fr3-d1 is now taunting sam with what can only be described as a literal tree of knowledge with actual forbidden fruit....

[idkwhyyouaskingm3-blog]

Is the MP definitely Trevor Herbert or is he the MP in the same way Elias Bouchard was the CEO of the Magnus Institute. I mean a homeless man would be an easy target or body snatching.

[mikasnazz]

Posting the autographs I got at the festival [which I am sosososo grateful for, Anusia & Ryan & Shahan are the sweetest and I’m so glad I got the chance to meet them!!] a with a little ramble underneath [i swear it’s something!]

There was a great Q&A held where people honestly asked fantastic questions I wouldn’t have thought of, I had my hand raised but honestly the only question I could think of in the moment was did Colin eat his fish.

He totally did, if you ask me, anyway

Back in the hotel and KICKING myself over forgetting my biggest question / thought about the Magnus universe in general, so I’m gonna share it!;

The extinction was made prominent as an up and coming fear in archives, obviously, and it was also made clear that there was no counter power or whatever — until protocol.

Jon, The Archivist, Chester, whatever you see them as, is the extinction. Ready to end everything for everyone on a whim.

Martin, Norris, A Vessel To The Lonely, the opposite.

Yes, he spread the fear — but he also spread humanity, humanity thrives and grows and is meant to be shared, and it is far from perfect.

Martin is humanity.

And Jon, is the extinction coiled around it.

Maybe in every universe the embodiment of the extinction and humanity fall inlove. Maybe in one of them it doesn’t doom their world.

— 👁️☁️ —

Honestly !! A concept I need people to write about, Christ, it’s just so MMM. Anyway. Thank you for listening =w=