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traumagenic does not mean "entirely clinical and rational experiences"

endogenic does not mean "otherworldly, strange, irrational experiences"

you're not trying to get traumagenic and endogenic exclusive spaces, you're trying to get medical and spiritual exclusive spaces. which, honestly? both of those sound like hell.

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hot take but y'all (general, not exactly targeted) NEED to stop talking about the anti willo anon, forever. don't give them the time of day ever again. im tired of hearing it and they thrive off the negative attention.

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I do not understand the discourse around shared/separate spaces.

Y'all know both exist, right? We don't need either shared or separate, both types of groups already exist, you just have to go find it.

Neither shared nor separate spaces is the issue. The issue is misinformation, gatekeeping, trolling, etc. And that infiltrates both types of spaces.

This topic makes zero sense. You're debating on things that already exist and that you could go find at any time lol.

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Super hot take: Seperate/exclusive spaces are OK, and that goes for both sides

So this post will probably piss off a lot of people since tumblr syscourse is mainly a slap fight between zealots on both ends, but we think having CDD exclusive spaces is a good thing. Beyond that, we even think having non CDD/Endo exclusive spaces can be good too, and we don't think that is inherently ableist when broken down and thought over.

The concept of a space dedicated to traumagenics and or CDDs is obvious. People want to relate when they have a serious condition and be able to share good information and experiences relating to it. There is a million shades of grey between a full traumagenic DID system and a nondisordered Endo for sure, but that doesn't erase the fact that there is core differences between our experience as a tulpamantic system and that of a DID friend's. There is information and advice from my side of the plural spectrum that would be useless or even outright harmful for them to use.

This also applies the other way around too. There is concepts from not only the CDD community but just the wider plural community in general that is harmful for a tulpamantic system, such as having to accept all new members. Tulpamancers can sometimes experience what we call walk-ins, which is what seems to be a new tulpa who appears out of the blue. Some never experience this, and others have them very often. The common tulpamancy advice is to ignore or symbolically reject them unless you purposely decide to accept one into the system. If we were to use wider plural advice in this scenario, someone could go from a tulpamancy system of 5 to a system of 1000 over a year and experience extreme distress and even outright impairment from it. It's happened in the past before.

Dissipation is on the other side of the coin. While taken very seriously in tulpa circles, sometimes it is indeed necessary to do it. For a CDD system however, trying to dissipate an alter would cause extreme harm and in some cases we've read, lead to even more splitting.

Purely on an informational basis, being in the wrong space as a specific type of plural can do a lot of harm to all parties. This doesn't mean end mixed spaces. Mixed spaces are great, useful, and offer many new perspectives! It just means that sometimes having dedicated spaces can be just as important, both for those with and without CDDs.

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legitimately im going to block people who argue about what's ableist or whatever and then say the r slur. the r slur is ableist, full stop.

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A(n un)kind reminder 🌈

People who were mistaken about having a CDD are still members of the system community and become A VALUABLE RESOURCE for new and questioning systems.

Who better to help someone else figure it out than someone who thought they had it and were mistaken? We need more people willing to talk about it and explain what the differences are and how to recognize signs that everything might not be as it seems.

And they already know everything they need and know how to be respectful of systems. What more could you ask for?

We need to normalize being mistaken. It's okay.

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holy shit syscourse leave okimi alone i think its been personally targeted at least 5 separate times in the last 8 months. :/ let hir have a little peace.

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everytime someone comes on here and says that everyone here is faking, their reasoning is always rooted in ableism towards people with personality disorders and PTSD.

"you're only doing this for attention", "you're only doing this bc you don't get love at home", "just say you have no friends irl.", "just say you want to stand out and be different"

they're all rooted in ableism. especially against disorders like BPD and HPD, which can cause attention seeking behavior, and things like "you don't get love at home" and "you have no friends" are literally just using forms of trauma as an insult, which is a pretty shitty thing to fucking do.

like yeah bro i am infact online mostly for attention and bc my mom and dad don't love me and i havent had an irl friend since the 7th grade. god forbid i want to have some sort of connection. i sit alone in the bathroom during lunch at school and talk to 2 people every day - both who are online - let me have SOMETHING. let me have some sort of community and belonging because ive never once had it IRL before. god forbid i want someone to acknowledge my existence and maybe even care about me

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hot take, maybe, but i don't think it's really productive to say "i Hate this person/these people, but i won't harass them". because like, yeah? i would hope you're able to hate someone without harassing them? that's called meeting the most basic of expectations for human interaction.

if you feel the need to clarify specifically that you wouldn't "go to all that effort" to harass someone, that's worse. that just tells me that the only thing stopping you from being a bully is laziness, and in that case, thank the stars you're lazy! the last thing we need are more bullies in syscourse.

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The whole "willos can't consent to forming" thing was one of the first things I saw when I looked at syscourse today

And like. At first it was funny because... that's true for most alters of almost any origin?

But then I thought about it a little more and

A. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, as someone who is possibly created in a sense (can't confirm it because I have no communication with previous hosts)

The idea that how I was formed had intent behind it is... comforting? It's comforting to know my existence was wanted, and that someone thought my existence would be helpful. Why would I be bothered by that?

and of course

B. It's not like there's some mass experience with willogenic & other created alters being mad about existing

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hey so why are we coming up with system origins that are the specific trauma that caused a system to form

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hi squirrel anon, your ask is broken for some reason! but sure, have a nut 🌰!! :D

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Host talking here, just wanted to say this because, somehow, people are still pushing the Tulpamancy=Tibetan practice myth, and it needs addressing.

Myth/oversimplification: Tulpamancy is, or is based on a Tibetan Buddhist closed practice, therefore tulpamancy is bad because something something cultural appropriation.

Fact: Tulpamancy, or at least the word tulpa, is very loosely inspired by a single chapter in a 1929 book on mysticism in Tibet written by a French Theosophist named Alexandra David Neel, who visited in the 1920s and wrote about a time she supposedly learned about tulpas and even took a crack at creating one (and spending 6 months destroying it after it supposedly became too powerful and turned malicious, hence the tulpa stereotype of the 'imaginary friend turned evil!').

However, there are no contemporary sources, nor sources written by any actual Tibetans or Buddhists (and it's not just a matter of their practices not being written down, you CAN find many texts on esoteric practices of Tibetan Buddhism if you bother to look) to suggest it was an actual practice in those days. David-Neel is generally well-regarded among Buddhists of today for her early look into Tibetan culture, but in the end she is still an outsider looking in.

Most agree that the term as David Neel used it, was most likely a misunderstanding of the term SprulPa, which refers to the earthly bodies that Buddhas manifest as to teach those who have not achieved Nirvana. There might also be a bit of the word Tulku, which refers to individuals who are recognised as the reincarnation of a past teacher, Bodhisattva or other enlightened being (like the Dalai Lama). And yes, there are some Indian Buddhist sources that talk about 'mind-made bodies', but this is less referred to as an ability one can attain with training and practice, and more a power that Buddhas have.

It also holds some vague similarity to the Yidam, a sort of meditational focal point in the form of a Buddha, Bodhisattva or other Tibetan deity or spirit, that the practitioner visualises in vivid detail and then identifies themselves with, in an attempt to internalise their qualities and attributes (wisdom from Manjushri, good health from the Medicine Buddha, compassion from Green Tara, etc). This is considered a higher esoteric practices amongst Buddhists, though not a closed one: if you've done the necessary preliminary practices and been empowered and taught by a Lama or Guru to do the practice, it doesn't matter if you're Tibetan or not. Many practitioners will choose particular Yidams they focus on for whatever reason, and may refer to them as 'my Yidam', but it's important to note that such deities are agreed upon to already 'exist' with the only creation on the practitioners part being the mental image of them, rather than being created wholecloth by the practitioner.

There are older Western practices similar to tulpamancy, such as the Theosophical concept of the Thoughtform, which is described as simple ethereal objects that emanate from one's aura, generated by thoughts and feelings. Or the Fylgja, a sort of spirit of Germanic folklore that is a projection of one's own soul, often taking an animal form or a form of the opposite gender of their respective human. However in neither case is the entity, be it a thoughtform or a Fylgja, considered to be a separate, sentient being in the way a modern tulpa is.

So as far as I am able to glean, the modern practice of tulpamancy is just that: a modern idea. And as loathe as I am to say it, it seems like it mostly just originated from the /x/ board on 4Chan. Some well-read channer probably heard about David Neel and her supposed tulpa experience and decided the word would work great for this concept as they devised it.

Hope this clears things up for people, and helps us get one step closer to finally doing away with this whole myth about Tulpamancy being some ancient Tibetan mystical practice, and that the term is a bad word because of that.

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Hot take, endogenic plurality isn't that hard to understand once you stop trying to be the "perfect plural".

What I mean by this is, once you stop holding yourself to the highest of standards and comparing yourself to other plurals in regards to trauma, who seems more "real", and who experiences plurality the "right way", it's a lot easier to accept and learn about endogenic plurality's existence.

We used to be this way. We used the be anti-endogenic and actually had a pretty significant following (around 700) on Tiktok at one point but we realized it was destroying our self-esteem and making us extremely anxious every time we posted something that didn't align perfectly with our mutuals and followers idea of what plurality is. Once we took a step back, we learned more organically about plurality, joined endo-safe spaces, and met loads of wonderful people and learned a lot just by asking questions and lurking lol. It was a huge weight off our back and we don't feel nervous posting anymore because we know the people we truly care about will be loving and understanding c:

It's not that hard to just be understanding.

Live and let live <3

-Bug (🐛)

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that is the opposite of what artisticdysfunction and other victims have been asking syscoursers to do. i promise that they are likely being told plenty of awful things in attempts to get them off tumblr already, you adding to it just makes you part of a larger issue syscourse has with harassment and justifying it. it is not justifiable, i fear. not when they do it and not when we do it.

feeding the anti willo anon just feeds them. they already attack transfems and asian people enough. i get that youre having fun but it's not worth feeding the trolls.

that, i had no clue about.

i'm just fighting them because i have a savior complex tbh. (/halfsilly)

i am VERY vocal about my opinions and they're just making it easier for me to be vocal about them

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stigmatizing self harm helps no one, especially the ones who do self harm and have an addiction to it.

people put so much immense shame on those who self harm, and push forward ideas that they need to go cold turkey as "harm reduction isn't a thing, it's just another form of enabling".

i think we all truly need to destigmatize self harm and actually do actions to help people. which isnt going to be the same methods used in the War on Drugs but in a leftist paint. you may moralize your actions to yourself but the impact still genuinely isn't helping people in the long term.

if you're reading this and you self harm? you're not a monster. you are inherently a person with worth and value, no matter how you self harm. even if you've been self harming for a long time. and i genuinely hope you will achieve a future in which you don't need to rely on this to fulfill your needs.

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aw geez i guess i gotta go back to the ether cause i didn't "consent"! 😓

"willomates can't consent to formation!"