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drawing ronance every day because i can

day 5: ”freckles„

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да, я драма квін, але для цього є причини, ГАРАЗД ДА

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ммм, а хто це зробила камінґ-ауту і тепер боїться, що їй зроблять аутинґ гомофобній рідні, яка не вміє хоча б мовчати?)))) точно, це була я. блядь.

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я вибила ліміт у тві з усіх своїх 4 аків🥲 причому на основному аці я зробила це десь за пів години. аааааааааааа як нуднооооооо

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Lotus Pier was destroyed, you illiterate motherfuckers. Not the buildings, the Wens just carved the nine-petal lotus out of them, but the Sect itself. There were no disciples, teachers, elders or even servants anymore. No riches either. Jiang Cheng had nothing but his gentry status that meant nothing without army. He DID rebuild his sect from ashes, he proved himself worthy of being a leader after fighting in the war. He, not Wei Wuxian or his golden core. YMJ sect had the smallest share out of the Wen sect's treasures yet he managed to make it rich as fuck once again. If you or me were in his place we would rather cry ourselves to death but he fought and won

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Okay. Here's to the antis crying that Jiang Cheng should have done more for the Wen Remnants.

Just no. WWX had already proclaimed himself an enemy when he intruded upon a conference at Koi Tower to threaten that he'd kill whoever dared to stop him from rescuing the Remnants. Anyone, especially YMJ would be committing political and literal suicide by aiding with WWX.

YMJ would not have been able to survive that. They had just survived a mass massacre and a long war. In a climate made on hierarchy, JC is in his young 20s. He has no allies.

His current Sect is made of a thrown together a collection of rouge cultivators and fresh disciples he had to train in less than a few months right after he survived watching his Sect burn, being tortured, and losing his core. Then, WWX was gone.

Still, JC went to war. To avenge his family, his people, his land, and to protect them from a tyrant. With WRH down, now JGS is the next. And we see the direct and very public pressure JGS puts on JC to distance from WWX.

Just because 'JC is a Sect Leader' doesn't mean he has more influence than JGS and the elders of the Jin Sect. Maybe the Lan's would have had that respect, but they had their own issues to resolve and their own alliances to maintain.

Speaking of which, YMJ needed their alliance with the Jin's. Only then would JC have more sway. As allies, there would be less incentive to destroy YMJ. There would also be public scrutiny cast on the Jin's should they openly damage their alliance with YMJ. Scrutiny that JGS and JGY do not want when they are conducting nefarious schemes to gain control (see Xue Yang in his extra with JGY).

With JC actively working to make peace with the Jin's, in addition to having JZX engaged to JYL, JC is able to take the attention and pressure off WWX and the Wen Remnants. The people don't want to focus on the threat that WWX is to their lives, their culture, and their loved ones (if they get raised from death and cut off from the circle of reincarnation). They talk about the grand wedding hosted between the Jin's & Jiang's. They talk about the birth of JL and his celebrations.

In fact, when JC tells WWX that he can't protect him if he defends the Wen Remnants, WWX flat out /rejects/ him. (So what are you crying to JC for?) WWX believes he can protect them himself. And he does. For almost a couple of years.

When does it go wrong? When WWX leaves BM and is on his way to attend JL's celebration.Jin Zixun ambushes & scapegoats him (endorsed by JGS!) WWX loses control of WN and WN murders Jin Zixuan.

JZX, who was the one to invite WWX despite knowing the opposition it would bring to him and DID cause.

Even in the ridiculous situation of JC housing the Remnants in LP (nvm his and his people's trauma of the Wen's), the Jin's scheming to murder would have happened to WWX regardless of where he was with the Remnants.

It's f*cked up. But does JC have control over JGS and JGY? No. So stop blaming JC for their downfall. It was on WWX to protect the Wen's and to control WN, no one else.

(Note, if JZX, his firstborn son and Sect Heir, could not persuade JGS and his clan to back off from WWX, what makes you think JC could?)

Afterwards, WN and WQ both decide on their own that in order to answer for the deaths at Qiongqi Path and JZX's murder, that they comply to the Jin's demand. They go voluntarily.

They tell WWX that they are grateful to him for the extra year of life and peace he gave them.

They leave with no regrets.

Again, I must ask you, why blame JC for their deaths?

JC knew that their ruin would eventually occur and tried to warn WWX. JC tried to stop it from happening by killing WN when he was uncontrollable and unpredictable, when WN had no conscience. But JC doesn't kill him. Bc WWX told him not to.

(WN nearly breaks out of BM but luckily LWJ happened to be there to help WWX subdue him and somehow restore his conscience, which WWX never knew would happen. So JC's concerns were not unwarranted.)

Forget and ignore at your convenience, but JC DOES speak up for WWX's actions and reasons for defending the Wen Remnants. No one else does. (Again, see my previous thread.) At the Pledge Conference, where the Sects are deciding what to do about WWX after JZX's death at Nightless City, it would not be hard to assume JC would try to not have them execute WWX. In the end we don't know, but we can say that he was unhappy with their decision to hunt down WWX for good.

After years of persuading others to not take offence to WWX's words & actions, of lessening the load of WWX's disciplinary punishment, of standing at his side & understanding WWX without needing words to be spoken, it would be absurd to say JC ever stopped trying to protect him.

But JC is only human. He could only protect WWX, and when WWX rejected his help, he could not do much else. He could only delay the inevitable.

He could not have protected the Wen Remnants even if he wanted to. Just like how WWX wanted to save them, but couldn't in the world that they live in where an eye for an eye is never enough, and the consequences of their actions never die no matter what their intentions are.

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lwj is almost as guilty for all the things jc is criticised for

Everyone is guilty for all the things Jiang Cheng is constantly criticized for. Torturing cultivators? Check. Not helping the Wen remnants? Check. Not standing by Wei Wuxian? Check. Shouting? Check. Lying? Check. Being an asshole at some point in their life? Absolutely check.

Everyone jokes around about the Lan’s Silencing Spell, including myself, but um, using your sect’s magical coercion spell to silence someone else’s voice multiple times is actually kind of fucked up? Nobody says anything about the Lans and Nies being equally, if not more so, complicit in what ends up happening with the Wens and Wei Wuxian, but it’s still Jiang Cheng who gets the most criticism, and I will never be okay with this.

Hell, Wei Wuxian himself committed pretty much all of these! As much as we love Wei Wuxian for his endlessly giving heart, we should keep in mind that he also didn’t do anything about the Wens until Wen Qing and Wen Ning were involved. That isn’t a criticism. That is just the nature of the society and culture that they live in, where blood feuds are a thing and wiping out a clan who killed your family is simply an equal and just exchange regardless of individual involvement. Wei Wuxian committed a massive cultural taboo for helping the Wen remnants. That isn’t to say he shouldn’t have helped, or that everyone isn’t complicit in the death of a bunch of villagers who were trying to move on, but that responsibility and criticism certainly shouldn’t only land squarely on Jiang Cheng’s shoulders.

Especially when Jiang Cheng was still little more than a child himself. The Jiang sect was completely wiped out. Jiang Cheng was barely holding onto any political power as it is. They were being intentionally left out of political meetings by the other three sects. They were extremely vulnerable to being swallowed up and becoming subsidiary to the Jin sect. Jiang Cheng had an immense responsibility to his people who walked with him through war when he had nothing to offer them at time other than his word, and part of that responsibility was to not go around pissing off your next door neighbors who had a hell of a lot more power than you do at the moment.

And amidst of all this, Jiang Cheng was being actively lied to the entire time! He couldn’t possibly have known that Wei Wuxian, his genius cultivator shixiong, no longer had a golden core, whose only option was now demonic cultivation and who was neck deep in a veritable thunderstorm of trauma and self-hatred. Especially when Wei Wuxian was constantly telling him he was fine. Especially when Wei Wuxian was doing everything he could to make sure Jiang Cheng could never know the truth. While I do think Jiang Cheng was wrong about what options were available to him, I personally think he was the least obligated out of everyone to help.

You know whose sects didn’t get wiped out? Who still had political power and was actually at the table when the remaining Wens and labor camps were being discussed? Who still had experienced disciples and opinionated elders? Who had at least much more experience navigating the complicated web of political manipulations than Jiang Cheng? The Lans. The Nies. Both equally capable of putting a stop to Jin Guangshan. Both equally responsible for the murders of a bunch of villagers. Both absolutely one hundred percent more obligated to do so and in a position where it was possible than Jiang Cheng was.

But sure, let’s freaking blame the traumatized teenager whose family and sect were slaughtered for not being able to help.

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man i haven’t been in the mdzs fandom for eons, and i haven’t touched tumblr in ages, but the first thing i see when i get on it is jc slander ?? like the further i scroll down in the anti jc tag the more brain cells i lose. listen, i love wwx just as much as the next person but some of y’all definitely put wwx on a pedestal way too high. “wwx never did anything wrong 🥺🥺” since when ? he definitely has caused his fair share of issues, but the fact that some of y’all only want to focus on jc and even go as far as saying he’s the root of it all says a lot . i’m not saying jc hasn’t caused problems himself, but you guys take it way too far . it’s gotten to the point of being absolute bullshit. feel free to debate with me bc i have so much to say abt this topic. (also pls let me know if any tags need to be added)

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What motivates me the most to make posts, is when I see other shitty posts :)

Today I saw an anti jc (yes, we started badly) saying that jc was a terrible person, incredibly horrible, an egocentric, because he had no empathy, he did not help anyone unless it benefited him, that they don't remember even a single time were jc was right, and that he is an asshole because Madam Yu taught him to be

I agree that Madam Yu was a motherfucker, that she was not a good mother and stuff, but at what point did she influence jc's personality? apart from making him more insecure, insisting on JF's favoritism for wwx

At what point has she 'taught JC not to have empathy', as the post said?

Hilarious, honestly, because it's speculation, we've never seen it, and it didn't happen, because first of all, JC HAS EMPATHY

Where did you get that he doesn't have it? From the fountain of desires?

Should I remind you when he came between wwx and his mother when MAdam Yu whipped wwx with the discipline whip?

He begged his mother not to continue whipping wwx, and then so that he would not cut off his hand, he himself was about to get hurt by interfering, opposing his mother to protect the one he considered his brother, and you say he learned of her to not have empathy?

I'm not saying that Madam Yu had empathy (or showed it), but JC definitely does and you can't just say that he learned not to have it from her using the excuse that she was a shitty mother.

Also, at some point in the post they mentioned that thing that JC antis love to say, that JC was always envious of wwx beating him

Honey, how many times do I have to tell you that he was simply seeking the approval of his parents? It's not that he was bothered that wwx was good, he was frustrated that, if wwx beat him, he wouldn't get the approval of his parents (especially JF's)

He was a damn kid who just wanted his father to pay attention to him. JC said in the novel that if his father held him even ONCE he would have been happy for months, but he didn't, as he constantly had to watch him hold wwx, the new kid

Do you know what it is to not have empathy? Expect a little boy (8 years old?) not to get even a little jealous to see how his father seems to love a child that is not his own much more than him, his own son

U can't use the excuse of 'wwx he didn't have parents and he deserved to be shown love' HONEY YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T SAY A SINGLE NICE WORD TO YOUR SON TOO

'I had to be tough on him to make him a strong and good sect leader' HE WAS A KID, THERE WAS NO NEED TO START BEHAVIING WITH HIM LIKE HE WAS A PIECE OF SHIT YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT SO SOON

I don't think an egocentric person would give himself over to the people who killed his family to be tortured and possibly killed, to save his brother, but I guess they're not able to understand because their brain is too full of wwx.

wwx is incredibly arrogant and disrespectful, and even after reincarnating he didn't have the balls to face his past actions. I love wwx very much, really, he's my bb and i love him, but he doesn't understand the concept of 'taking responsibility for your own actions', and that is something that apparently he has transmitted to his fans like the person who made the post, seeing him as a god who is perfect. they clearly don't understand jc's character enough to be able to see anything more than 'he hurt wwx so he's a terrible person'. in fact, it seems that you cannot form an opinion without checking how that affected wwx lol wwx killed thousands of innocent people, but of course, he is a perfect god and his life is the only one that counts

if you can't remember a time when jc was right i'll tell you that when he decided to rebuild lotus pier instead of helping people from the sect who had just killed his family, he made the right decision, wn helped jc, right, but if jc had helped the wen remnants, the whole cultivation world would have taken it as being on their side, thus the jiang sect would have definitely ended there, why don't you try to say that lwj was a bad person? he had a lot more resources than jiang cheng to help them and he didn't do a shit either, even though he loved wwx a lot, right?

ugh it's really frustrating having to read bullshit like that, this person didn't even tag it as 'canon jiang cheng' (which is like most of his antis who don't seem to realize his opinion isn't canon, tag), lit they just put on the 'jiang cheng' tag, just like that, incredible, the day jc antis are mature enough to admit that what they believe is not everything and they start to put the tags right, I'll make a party

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ТАК! згодна на всі 100 відсотків. ненавидите якогось персонажа і хочете полити його брудом? маєте на це право, але використовуйте для цього відповідні гештеги. коли ви виливаєте свою ненависть на дзян чена під гештегом #canon jiang cheng, то це не ок. для ненависті є гештег #anti jiang cheng, тож вперед, користуєтеся ним. ні? тоді не жалійтеся на те, що до вас фани дзян чена не проявляють жодної поваги чи щось таке. просте правило життя серед людей: не проявляєш повагу до інших - не требуй її до себе.

Hello any mdzs fans moving from twt to tumblr and old mdzs tumblr ppl. Many jc fans/stans or even appreciators know that here the “canon jc” tag is overrun with antis, and honestly the jc fans are tired of it. It’s bad sportsmanship to post negative things in a tag meant to be jc friendly. We’re taking it back and if you try to harass us we’re just gonna block you. If you want a friendly discussion that’s okay, a lot of us would be glad to explain why we’re stans or fans. Please direct all hate and anti behavior to the #anti jiang cheng tag.

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Have some courtesy for others please. Difference of opinion in fandom? Leave and go to someone else's page who shares your opinion then. Simple. No need to be a wanker about it.

Actually if you don't like the character of Jiang Cheng (actually Shen Jiu and Mu Qing too while we're at it though i don't engage with those too much) or you think my interpretation is wrong, I really don't want to hear it. Honestly I don't care. I have my views based on the context and nuance from the text and from the few lovely chinese speakers who chose to explain certain things (though of course I won't know all the nuance in chinese but I will be at least judging the text based on what we get and what info others provide). In fact I have multiple views on many things because there are multiple ways certain things can be read.

I am not going to change them because someone who doesn't like the character (or only likes the character in what they consider to be the 'correct' way) says 'but that's not canon' because canon is very much open to interpretation unless there's hard and fast evidence of a character openly doing something and even then, you can only speak to what the character did but you can't say what the character intended or meant by it as that's an interpretation too unless you're in the character's head with narration (and even then depending on the context the character may still not be reliable bcuz characters can be written to be in denial or lying to themselves much like real people often do).

If you have a different opinion from something you see me post and you're not someone I engage with normally for banter or discussion in good faith (or someone who intends at least to discuss it in good faith) then do us both a favour and scroll away.

Move your page. Leave the post. The x button is right at the top. Close it and move on. Because I am not interested in what you have to say, especially you who hate the character. Just go wank on your own page and leave mine alone. I'm not coming on your posts about your faves to talk about my interpretation of them and how wrong I think you are (I might talk about characters on my own page but that is my prerogative and has nothing to do with you) so just have some basic respect for others and repay the courtesy. Your idea of the canon character you post it on the canon tag, well I can also do the same.

(Also some people don't seem to realise that discourse/meta/analysis and having fun playing with the characters in fandom are not the same thing. PSA they're not the same thing, people can call a character a lil meow meow all they want, it doesn't mean they're doing analysis, they're just playing with dolls. Stop conflating fandom fun with serious meta.)

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дзян чен отримує занадто багато гейту від фандому, особливо враховуючи те, що майже нікого іншого не гейтять за ті ж речі.

блять, його гейтери під гештегом #canon jiang cheng тупо обливають його брудом ні за шо. а найсмішніше те, що вони під цим гештегом перекручують канон, аби виставити дзян чена повним негідником.

але найбільше мене бісить, що це все роблять люди, які дуплєй не відбивають ні в культурі, ні в політичній ситуації, яка була притиманна часу, про який йдеться в романі. але вони не приймають того, що можуть помилятися в чомусь, тому просто продовжують виливати свою ненависть не тільки на дзян чена, а ще й на його фанів.

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як би було круто, якби люди, перед тим як вумнічать, перевіряли, чи правильні їх знання з теми, на яку вони зараз будуть вумнічать.

уже скільки разів бачила як деякі намагаються довести, що вей їн і лань джань мали право зайти до зали предків дзян. і найсмішніше, що ти нічого їм не доведеш. кажеш, що до зали предків можуть зайти або члени родини, або з дозволу патріарха сім'ї, а вони починають казати щось у дусі "так зал предків публічне місце", або "так вей їн же ж частина сім'ї дзян!". бляха, звідки ви взагалі берете таку нев'їбенну впевненість у своїй правоті, коли у вас знань по темі 0(якби знання по темі залі предків були не нульові, то таку б дичину не несли)?

боже, дай мені сил не пробити собі лице рукою, коли бачу таке.