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What's a knetz

korean netizens - korean k-pop fans who are online basically

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do you think idols gravitate towards foreigners either because of their own sexual desire or romantic desire orrr because of knetz and how fucking scary they are.

via readings i've only heard of liking foreigners out of own personal desire, but i wanna caution against talking about knetz in generalizations here because korea and its citizens (and the kpop fans inside of it) are also broad with lots of nuances the same way international fans are.

i also think people tend to forget a lot of these idols were born and grew up in korea, so that's their home country/town, and what outsiders may consider overbearing or annoying isn't the same as what they might.

(not saying that you're doing any of this anon - just setting boundaries cause i've seen how online discourse can get)

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i dont know i just get more used to what they would be like and am like yeah theyre not as cracked up to be as i thought or maybe they would have something different going on that they dont show so i more so admire them from afar hbu?

ooo so readings kind of make them more real/breaks up the idea of who they are in your mind - makes sense. i actually end up appreciating them more after readings because of those same reasons, so that's kind of funny!

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i think 15 year old me wouldve dated an idol in current times but im so glad for readings bc i can ask real in depth questions and in turn it does the opposite effect and suddenly make me not want to date them so others can have them. its neither yes or no for me just depend on who they are as a person rather than an idol.

oh really? that's interesting! what about readings usually makes you think differently?

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https://www.tumblr.com/lunarsights/766701138705825792/exactly-and-i-was-thinking-how-the-heck-if-they-do?source=share

Will you do spicy readings👀

the idol(s) themselves would have to consent, but if they did i'd be willing

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https://www.tumblr.com/lunarsights/766702862700101632/thats-why-its-hard-to-believe-if-some-of-them?source=share

Who is this about and what group?

it's just general talk! but it came off me posting about ateez members' thoughts on being romantic with foreigners

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I am not saying idols are Saint but why do we all always have to push the narrative of "hookups" "causual flings/relationships" "one night stands" & "causal stuff" label on everyone? I mean I get it this generation has it's things I am a part of it too but in the end they are human too? I seek deeper commitment and a heathy relationship and nothing like hookups or whatever if someone would label that to me I will be pissed off too. I think it's always good to not assume neither to live in delusions. What do you think? Because maybe some idols do seek heathy commitment or relationships?

some of the definitely prefer commitment over hookup culture (again, at least from the readings i've done so far). i think people usually defer to thinking that they engage in those things because society does see that as the norm in general, and it can kind of feel like you're the oddball if you're not into that.

i think it's also expectations that people usually have an "experimental" period of their life where they're trying to figure out who/what they like and part of that is interacting with people sexually. it's also because so many people like to pretend idols have no natural human desires ever and get upset at the mention of them dating/getting married/having sex in general, so the earlier it's implied the more people feel like they can deter that behavior probably.

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would you find them interesting to date if one ever approached you? and do you think idols tend to prefer ppl who are down right deluded or someone more normal?

if it was someone i like - sure! i think i'm at the age where it'd be cool if it worked out but no hard feelings if it didn't, personally

from the readings i've done there's definitely a want for someone more normal - more of a fan than stan if you get the difference, but i'm sure there's at least one idol out there who likes something/someone a little more toxic or dangerous 💀

but this also makes me curious:

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thats why its hard to believe if some of them actually are single or not as well bc i dont believe it? i mean the temporary relationships are probs easier to manage without risking too much but at the same time it kinda makes them sound like dreadful partners because theyre schedules and stuff must be hard to keep up with for someone whos not familiar with their idol life

even ones who say they dont have a specific ideal type surprise me bc i bet they do and theyre in an industry where its so heavily focused on the idols image they cant not have an ideal type to some extent but yh i bet theres loads that or sometimes my bias often says he wants to wait until hes met the one and as sweet as that sounds i still dont believe it because theyll have had some experience by now unless some really do try to keep themselves to themselves thats why i think it must be hard for them to genuinely keep ppl quiet about the relationship? what even is mentioned within the nda exactly and is it signed there and then or like back at the company?

yeah the whole timing situation when it comes to balancing their schedules is probably a nightmare - especially if they keep to being with someone in the industry because that’s two hectic schedules trying to be balanced, but i’m sure some find a way to make it work.

so far i believe everyone who’s said they don’t have an ideal type because they’re all around the same age and with how often they travel they world (and with how young they started) i think it’s genuinely possible they haven’t narrowed down what their “type” is.

with all of that, i’m also pretty sure there’s probably a significant number of idols who haven’t had romantic experiences (especially these new waves of idols in 4th/5th gen who are used to having their entire life history be on the internet or able to be dug up). it aligns with some generational problems (ie. loneliness epidemic), so i don’t think it’s hard to believe personally.

nda’s usually talk about the person signing it not revealing any information about what they’re with a celebrity for (ie. beyoncè uses ndas with people she does collabs with to be sure nothing about the collab is leaked before it’s fully released). i think often they’re only “valid” for an extended length of time, but some of them can be life long i think. in the US, celebs are known to have someone on their team like a manager or something keep ndas on them in order to hand them out to someone/people as needed - not totally sure how that works in the kpop industry though of course.

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exactly and I was thinking how the heck if they do hookups or whatever it be they keep quiet about but have you ever done a reading thats totally surprised you? either in a good or bad or unexpected way?

i haven’t done any readings that are really “spicy” or out the ordinary really, so not really? only thing i might say that’s been surprising is how open everyone has been so far! celebrities have protection and stuff just like we all do, but so far everyone i’ve pulled for has been open to talking pretty candidly, so that’s been cool

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and in terms of folk using idols i mean what do they expect really? theyre going to get delulus and groupies. i think some of its 50/50 some of it being their foreign fans delusions and some of the members themselves. interesting that hongjoong probably felt hurt by those i presume younger fans he was hooking up with but again he either does or doesnt want a relationship so i get it but i dont because i dont know whay its like for him personally.

reading for celebrities at the end of the day i've noticed they'll recognize their status in other people's minds, but they still want/crave normal, everyday human interactions - including romantic interactions. the circle of celebrities can be small compared to including even those who aren't famous.

i also don't know that he hooked up with a ton of fans versus maybe initially flirting and/or getting certain vibes based on his intution or even online chatter -- just based on the cards it's giving more his intuition, but that could just be my interpretation.

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thats the thing with idols is i find them hard to connect with on a personal elvel because not only is it done all via social media so we really only see their idol image i think many of them have put a barrier up but at the same time it would be hard to find anyone who say hasnt had 15 temporary relationships or 30 hookups which would be crazy imagine all the ndas they sign for those?

true, we all only see them and their personalities for a small portion of time, so it's hard to tell what's for show versus what's real. on the hookup/nda thing though i think it's kind of a toss up? i'm sure there's some who keep to the idol industry for their business while some kinda do everything and others might keep to themselves altogether -- it's kind of hard to tell

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seonghwas song suggestion made me snort lmfao who hurt him in the past?

it definitely made me laugh when i heard the first sound of it 😭 it was kind of giving he had so many offers it kind of frustrated him, but i'm not toally sure lol

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Heyyy Sun! It’s good to see you on my TL again :)

I was wondering if you can do a reading of the members of ATEEZ, what are their thoughts on dating and /or marrying a foreigner who is a POC if they were not Korean or East Asian? Thank you - 🐚

𝘼𝙩𝙚𝙚𝙯 𝙤𝙣 𝘽𝙚𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙍𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 𝙄𝙣𝙫𝙤𝙡𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙁𝙤𝙧𝙚𝙞𝙜𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙨

Hongjoong

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Let Me Clear my Throat [Old School Reunion Remix ‘96]” by DJ Kool

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Five of Coins, Two of Wands (Rx), King of Coins (Rx), Four of Coins, Seven of Wands

Final Answer: Page of Wands, Nine of Coins, The Hanged Man

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

hongjoong seems a little hesitant to be romantically involved with a foreigner. this could be in relation to not knowing enough or even this question being too broad; there could be certain ethnic or racial groups he’s had more experience around, so he feels more comfortable, but it’s like he knows there’s a wide “array” of people, so it almost doesn’t make sense to make a blanket statement. most of the foreigners he might’ve had the opportunity of being romantic with might’ve been fans or aware of his career, so there’s a worry of running into people only into him for that aspect that could be making him hesitant also. he could be closed off from engaging with foreigners romantically as a result; “one bad apple spoils the bunch” in this idea, but seven of wands is present showing that if someone was persistent enough “and had/has the right intentions”, then he’d likely be open. he is genuinely interested in connecting with foreigners though! it seems he’d want to be with someone who has something going for themselves though, so he wouldn’t have to worry about being used. 

TLDR; solid maybe

Seongwha

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Be Gone Thot!” by Lil Mayo

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Page of Swords, The Hermit, Four of Cups, The Empress (Rx)

Final Answer: The World (Rx), Knight of Wands (Rx), Four of Coins, Eight of Cups

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

despite the shufflemancy song and the way all the cards seem, seonghwa could actually be interested in the idea of being romantic with a foreigner. it could be the type of things where in his head he’s curious, but he’s apprehensive to actually do it in real life for a multitude of reasons. he could get very caught up in all the ways things could go wrong? like the media could find out and how would he deal with that? how would a nda even work? how would the relationship even work? would they “learn to speak” korean? he seems to be blocking his actual want to interact with foreigners romantically because of these worries. therefore, his answer right now is that he wouldn’t be romantically involved with a foreigner. he could feel he’ll be more stressed and frustrated with all the trials of dealing with the relationship and therefore it would be better to stay away from being interested altogether. 

TLDR; technically is interested, but thinks a lot about the logistical side and therefore would not

Yunho

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Creep” by TLC

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Page of Wands (Rx), The Star, Wheel of Fortune, Three of Cups, The World

Final Answer: The Sun

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

yunho could be a little naïve when it comes to interacting with foreigners romantically (or even in general “sometimes”). he seems interested and hopeful though with the star being present! he could have an idea along the lines of “i don’t know a ton about that, but i’m interested/curious”. he could see things going either way in being easy or hard to deal with. he might be more open to the idea if he was introduced to a foreigner via his friends or family or a gathering; he’d like the chance to interact naturally before trying to flirt or things like that. overall, it seems he has this idea that love can come “from anywhere at any time”. 

TLDR; strong yes

Yeosang

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Monkey Wrench” by the Foo Fighters

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Eight of Swords, Strength, Ten of Swords (Rx), Ace of Wands, Eight of Coins

Final Answer: Ace of Cups, Four of Cups, The Empress

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

at one point in time yeosang might’ve been worried about being romantic with foreigners. this could’ve been out of feeling like they were too different, but it seems more likely it was out of feeling like he himself was too different. it’s not like he necessarily had the idea that he would be “the problem”, but he might’ve been self conscious about showing up in the relationship – maybe in relation to not being culturally sensitive enough, being worried about adapting to someone else’s culture, and things aligned with that. now, he seems to have done away with those thoughts, and he’s a lot more confident. he might believe it’s “inevitable” to interact with people who are different from him, so there’s no reason to bar them from dating him. he also seems to acknowledge he would still need to work on being “sensitive” and “aware”, but it’s something he’s willing to do (if needed). 

TLDR; yes

San

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“the light is coming” by Ariana Grande (feat. Nicki Minaj)

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Ace of Wands, Nine of Coins, The Hierophant (Rx), The Sun, Two of Swords (Rx)

Final Answer: Justice, Ten of Wands (Rx), The Moon (Rx)

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

san could view being romantic with foreigners as a new way to interact with people. he could be in a period of life where he’s in contact with foreigners more than ever (and maybe finding interest in them as result), so he could see his attraction as result of this contact. with the hierophant in reverse he’s definitely open to breaking traditions and doing his own thing although he does “appreciate them”. he could more so be focused on being happy in his life, so suffering or missing out on a wanted love because of tradition may not be his thing; he might be more afraid of not experiencing true joy than the fear of possible ostracization. his focus is on his own personal happiness, and if a foreigner is part of that, then “that’s fine”. 

TLDR; strong yes

Mingi

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Return of the Mack” by Mack Morrison

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

The Empress, The Devil, Eight of Swords (Rx), Nine of Swords, Three of Coins (Rx), Three of Wands

Final Answer: Nine of Wands (Rx), Nine of Cups, The Emperor 

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

he kinda delves into ideal type, but mingi could be into people he can make strong connections with. the idea of “soul ties” and “soul tying” comes to mind. at one point in time he could’ve felt restricted when it came to who he was attracted to or who he “could show attraction to”, but he’s let go of these restrictions despite continued concerns. he might’ve had romantic attractions to foreigners before/for a long time, but viewed them as unrealistic to pursue (or people told him it was unrealistic or “silly” for him to do). now, it seems he’s able to do so freely, and he’s “happy about that”.  despite this, there is still an air of things being unknown? maybe the ideas people pushed on him have stronger foundations than he thought they did? like people around him have been pessimistic for so long that on an unconscious level he’s taken those whispers more into account than he think he has. 

TLDR; maybe; he wants to be able to say yes, but is still reckoning with what people have told him

Wooyoung

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“There Goes My Baby” by Charlie Wilson

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Five of Swords (Rx), King of Swords, The Star, Ace of Wands, Knight of Wands, Six of Coins (Rx)

Final Answer: Wheel of Fortune, The Magician

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

wooyoung could be the type of person who at the end of the day has to “be honest with [himself]”. he really values honesty and being courageous and outspoken about who he is, so this kind of gives the energy that the way he portrays himself is the way he is.”it’s obvious, no?” comes to mind. he could find it engaging to talk with foreigners in general, and he’s definitely an intentional flirt with the knight of wands present. he might be hesitant to fully engage for some reason. it could be similar to hongjoong’s situation in that people try to take advantage of his status, but it feels like something else also. there could’ve been a situation where he tried to “go all in” in some way with a foreigner and ended up getting his feelings hurt, so he could be a little hesitant to settle down with one, but this feels like a temporary feeling. 

TLDR; likely yes

Jongho

𝐒𝐡𝐮𝐟𝐟𝐥𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐲:

“Story of Us” by Tinashe

𝐂𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬:

Five of Swords, King of Swords, Three of Cups, Page of Swords, Death (Rx), Seven of Wands

Final Answer: Wheel of Fortune, Knight of Cups

𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠:

jongho could feel as if being romantic with foreigners goes against the life he might have dreamed up for himself. he could enjoy the company of foreigners especially in regards to talking with them and learning more about things through them, but his interest could mainly stop there. he might’ve even tried to seek out foreigners he might be attracted to (maybe in that they have similar features or personality types to people he’s usually attracted to who are korean), but he doesn’t necessarily feel compelled to specifically seek out foreigners. this could be a situation where if he came across someone he's interested in he may think about it a little more, but currently he’s not really attracted to foreigners romantically. 

TLDR; maybe, but likely no as he just doesn’t find himself romantically attracted to them

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Hello,will you still be answering your last game? I'm glad you are taking time for yourself, but I was just wondering.

i will!

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Lined up as in reading requests?? Because there's many 😭 I miss your posts come back ugh

yes requests! the main one in drafts rn is on ateez + foreigners 😌

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Hey did you quit? :'(

hi! i haven't quit - i'm just trying to get my life together right now 😭 i have some stuff in the drafts, but it's not completed, and i don't have anything lined up unfortunately