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Gee… I dunno… maybe we just watched different shows but.. these scenes to ME clearly show vi’s guilt towards becoming an enforcer and the aftermath that caused her to internalize…

I dunno man… if she wasn’t feeling guilty do you REALLY think she would’ve crashed out THIS BADLY?

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Oh my God this took forever to make

I just want to say that the ending of the latest TADC episode broke my heart. It’s so sad to see the nicest character in the show, who is always mindful about the feelings of others and who tries so hard to make others feel comfortable around her, end up being on her own. It’s like no matter how kind she is it’s never enough to bond with anyone

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I’ve noticed most of caits supporters are white privileged people who’ve never been through any hardship in their life or have faced racism. “I thought you were different” a phrase that has been used against a poc suggesting that their race is bad or dangerous like I like cait but y’all saying she did nothing wrong is crazy. She gassed the undercity? She hated a whole city because one person did something wrong again another thing poc face. Yes she gets better but those things did happen and if she’s your favorite character, you need to realize that. Also sfop with that “you don’t like her cause you don’t understand her character” bullshit. Someone can understand someone and hate them.

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Okay… since you CLEARLY missed the message,

Let me explain it to you slowly.

There is a large group of people on tumblr who have the opinion that Caitlyn Kiramman “gassed all of Zaun.”

I am USING this example of the ice raids in LA to show how SMALL the targeted attacks Caitlyn used against the Chembarons actually IS… And to prove that even if a large quantity of gas was released in those areas, it would not spread to such density and intensity as to contribute to calling it “gassing all of Zaun.”

This post is about telling those people they are idiots.

This has NOTHING to do with the ACTUAL ICE raids or about instilling fear or panic in the population. The hypothetical population’s opinion does not matter. If you can look at this map and say with a straight face that one or two smoke bombs released in those areas would negatively affect every area around it ONLY IN TERMS OF HOW THE GAS AFFECTS PEOPLE, then you are an idiot yourself.

Do not come at me here with the idea of debating the terror the actual ICE agents are instilling and trying to link that to Caitlyn’s targeted attacks on Zaun. Because we are ONLY ONLY talking about how those attacks relate to the way the gas is used and dispersed throughout the city.

It might be EXTREMELY taboo to do this, but I can’t help myself. I wanna use this IRL conflict as an example of why the “Caitlyn gassed all of Zaun!” and the “gas expands to fill the area” crowd are so stupid.

Here is an actual city. An approximate size to Zaun. With a conflict in a highly targeted and specific area. The rest of the city… does not care or know it’s even happening.

People are at pride. People are at farmers markets. There’s no traffic backup. It’s not affecting the rest of the city. There’s rioting and looting and protesters and armed guards and tear gas… but none of that is really affecting the city at large.

Caitlyn’s targeted strike force attacks are even SMALLER.

This is a real world situation, and it doesn’t even fit the bill for the number of civilians that the “Caitlyn is committing human rights violations” people say Caitlyn is harming.

If you say Caitlyn “gassed the whole city” you’re as dumb as those FOX viewers who think ICE is destroying all of LA.

Don’t be as stupid as a FOX viewer.

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Racism…. That’s the easiest answer.

no offense but how did y'all watch sinners and walk away simping after the horrifically mid white boy when Michael B Jordan is literally right there in three different genres

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shipping the huntrix girls together cuz i have a free will and yuri will always be superior

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Mel getting magical powers didn’t come out of nowhere. Nor did her physical prowess.

Mel is the daughter of Ambessa. She was likely taught combat and fighting at an early age. We’ve seen how Ambessa treats people she views as kin, so why is it a surprise that Mel (her actual kin) is capable of fighting?

As for her magic, this is part of Mel’s tragedy as a character. Mel never fit in with the Medarda name. She never knew why. She thought it was because she was just not as ruthless and cunning as her mother Ambessa is… after all that’s why she believed she was “banished.”

But the truth is that she doesn’t fit in because she’s NOT 100% Medarda. She’s the illegitimate child of a magic user. There’s a whole side to her identity that was kept hidden from her.

Mel tries to break free of Ambessa and make her own name for herself… only to discover that her entire trajectory in life was planned before she was even born. Mel is the secret weapon Ambessa was cultivating for her own private grudge against the Black Rose. Her entire purpose is to fight the Black Rose. Her independence and self reliance in Piltover was never her own.

Even the Black Rose try to use Mel as a weapon. They intercept her and try to convince her to join them to take down Ambessa. Even when she gets her powers she is still being treated as a tool for others to use.

Mel’s story is about defying preordained destiny. Once Mel discovers her powers she begins exploring them and starts taking BACK control of her life that had up to this point been spiraling out of control. Mel CHOOSING to save her mother from the Black Rose’s clutches is her proving not only is she capable of being the Wolf and the Fox, but that she’s more than just a tool to be used.

This is why Jayce’s line of “you will never be a passenger” is so important and self actualizing for her. It’s the moment she regains control of her life and begins to steer it in the direction SHE wants it to go. Not where Ambessa wants it, not where the Black Rose want it. She is not a passenger, she’s the captain!

THAT is why her unlocking magical powers in season 2 is thematically relevant to her story. It takes the implied and makes it visually explicit to drive the point home.

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This is such a disingenuous take. It’s not the writers fault you don’t care to pay attention to the story. Out of all the characters in the show, Caitlyn’s is the most straightforward one. To say it’s “incoherent” is thoroughly ridiculous, especially when compared to Mel or Ambessa’s stories. It’s also really weird to place this requirement of needing consequences or a redemption arc of some kind when NO ONE ELSE gets one either. Arcane as a show trusts that you’re intelligent enough to piece together subtle clues and make rational judgments based on that information. It doesn’t hand hold you like a baby.

Might be a hot take idk but I can’t get myself to care whether Caitlyn in s2 is a horrible person or not because the writers made her story so incoherent to the point I cannot take her seriously as a character. It’s clear they had no interest in actually exploring the consequences of her actions or her “redemption” because they’re all either happened off screen or in a music video.

Like to me it’s not that Caitlyn did nothing wrong or Caitlyn did everything wrong it’s that the writers are just throwing their Caitlyn action figure against a wall and calling it a day.

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i wait for the day where i can like a fictional character without someone trying to win the moral olympics with their shitty ass performative activism. maybe without someone trying to pull shit out of their ass just to tell you why X character is awful while Y character did so much worse but is somehow better than X.

why has it become so normalized for people to tell others to kts over liking a character that just happens to be a cop, that just happens to have done some fucked up things bc of trauma and manipulation. i guarantee that someone liking caitlyn kiramman isn’t a sign that they’re gonna turn into some fascist rich asshole that wants to kill everyone on earth. i guarantee caitlyn isn’t as bad as everyone makes it seem, she’s actually one of the few people in the damn show that didn’t do that much. she has probably one of the LOWEST kill counts out of every character save for ekko, so idk what people are deciding to make up just to shit on her.

why is it so normalized for people to call everyone who likes her fascist dictators, or even zionists, or nazis. why have the kkkiramman jokes become so normalized?? why is it okay for silco and jinx to do shit, but the second an asian lesbian woman gets manipulated due to her trauma it’s an issue?

i just wanna enjoy my favorite character without some little bitch in my ear telling me i can’t

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I tried to explain to some of those people that you have to pay attention to the way the characters look and act in scenes and they instead mocked the use of “micro expressions.”

Arcane “fans” acting like the writers overlooked vi’s trauma like no THE FANS ARE!

There are plenty of scenes and moments where you can clearly see vi’s PTSD flashbacks. the fear and trauma in her eyes is so real every time not to mention the parallels. But for some reason some arcane fans are missing one of the biggest points of this show being actions speak much louder than words.

yall think her trauma is overlooked because its not loud, obvious and as open as jinx’s or other characters. The reason why vi’s trauma was never shown very openly the same way the others were was because she was never really allowed to be open about her fears or her feelings as a kid being the oldest and with all the weight vander had on her. Everything that happened she thought she was responsible for and she always felt like she always needed to be strong for everyone else.

No one else gave her a moment to be vulnerable the same way powder/jinx always had the privilege being vulnerable as she was the youngest and the weakest and she didnt have that same pressure as vi.

So obviously Vi’s trauma is not going to be as big and in your face as the others because if you actually watched the show she was never allowed to be open with her emotions. But even so you can see plenty of moments where that PTSD is shown through her expressions and actions and personally I think her trauma was written VERY realistically and words cant explain how much I appreciate the arcane writers for that.

not everyone with PTSD and trauma is gonna be a loud psycho crash out and just because they aren’t depicted that way in writing or irl does not mean their trauma is overlooked by the writers/doesnt have any trauma at all.

As far as I’m aware it’s the fans constantly overlooking her trauma, constantly mischaracterizing her, constantly hating on her writing and just basically hating her character in general. Y’all only like the version of Vi you have made up in your head and it pmo. atp just say you hate the show and leave the fcking fandom with your “arcane critique” bullshit. you aren’t a critique , you’re just a fucking hater and you will come up with ANYTHING to make your opinions seem like facts and like theyre reasonable when they arent.

and I just find it funny that you hoes think you can critique this show when you dont even have the brain power to understand the writing AT ALL or pay attention to the details AT ALL or even listen and take cannon evidence and the things the writers say as cannon AT ALL. Like what yall are “critiquing” is your own arcane fan fiction you have somehow made up in your head.

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Weird that you’re commenting on this post… which wasn’t one I reblogged from you… and yeah I’m not surprised. You’re WAY too young to have such violently black and white views of the world. Stop lying about what Caitlyn did and actually engage with the show by what it presents and not by the conspiracy theories you concoct in your head and I’ll stop telling you to go fuck yourself. Deal?

i feel disgusted whenever i see caitlyn kiramman

rapist, racist, abuser, manipulative as hell and also a cheater

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“What I’m talking about is oppressors who kill the people they oppress.”

Caitlyn doesn’t kill anyone.

“Season 2 forgets that we see how the undercity is abused”

How? How does season 2 “forget” that when Piltover literally cracks down on them HARDER? Season 1 didn’t have martial law in it. Isn’t martial law worse than what was happening before?

“Do you know how many people want me dead because I’m minority?”

Yes. I literally brought up that I’m in the same boat earlier. The entire US government right now is anti-black, anti-lgbt+, anti-vax, and anti-progressive. We are in DEEP SHIT right now. The both of us.

The problem is that the way to GET OUT of that isn’t to cut yourself off from community. I never said reaching across the isle was easy. It’s VERY hard and VERY dangerous. But here, let me use LGBT as an example:

In the 2000’s that was the fear tactic the GOP used to scare their Christian base with. So much of the propaganda from the right at that time was anti-gay agenda. But then something happened. We got gay rights in many states. Then one by one we got more rights in more states. Until finally in 2014 we were able to legalize gay rights in the USA. And then after a DECADE of having gay rights, the conversation shifted. Because then GOP realized they can’t fear monger and scare their base about gay people anymore because NOTHING BAD HAPPENED with gay people in that time. So now the fear mongering is centered on trans people.

The point is that we were able to move the goal post in the right way. It didn’t matter that they hated us, by getting gay rights we were able to show the country that gay people aren’t something to be afraid of. And we did it without isolating ourselves and hate talking the opposition. It took a lot of time. And it took staring straight into the eyes of those who wanted us dead. But we succeeded. And now, even though the GOP is still trying to take those rights away from us, even within the GOP base the idea of getting rid of gay rights is immensely unpopular.

“Do you understand how many oppressed people are being killed?”

Dude, I’m from the USA. My country was literally FOUNDED on the backs of displacement slavery and manifest destiny. I’m WELL aware of how many people are hurting right now.

I’ll bring this up again because I think it speaks volumes. During WWII there were all black corps of soldiers. Despite the fact that segregation still existed, these black men fought for the country that was harming them because they believed in the idea that this country is meant to be free for ALL people. Some of the most courageous soldiers were of African and Native American descent. Native Americans in particular used their native tongue to send secret messages because Germans didn’t know how their language. That’s exactly what happens in Arcane. Zaunites come to fight with Piltover in the hopes that things will get better. AND THEY DO. That’s the message of the show.

It’s also backed up by Silco. He was NEVER going to win against Piltover through brute force. We are routinely shown that brute force results in negative outcomes. Compassion, understanding, and most of all, mutual respect… that’s what ultimately makes the deal to free Zaun in Season 1. A deal which is undone by Jinx’s hatred and malice.

“I don’t want to be isolated but people are trying to hurt me.”

No shit. That’s my whole point. That’s WHY I’m chastising you for taking the easy way out. It’s HARD to find common ground with people you hate and who oppose you. But it’s possible and it’s necessary to EXIST.

Caitlyn is also not a dictator. Dictators don’t believe in due process. The people arrested were done by Ambessa’s henchmen behind her back. She repeatedly stands up for the rights of Zaunites even after she is put in charge of martial law… and yeah, SHE doesn’t call for martial law. The council did. It was already voted on, Ambessa just chose her at the last second. It was not Caitlyn’s doing. She’s not racist (classist, yes most likely). And every part of the media, the writers, the actors, the animators, and everyone who worked on the show says Caitlyn did not gas the public. If you’re going to make reasonable criticism against this show you need to stop exaggerating her involvement and blaming her for things that happened outside her control.

At no point am I suggesting we stop fighting. I am, however, suggesting that when an opportunity arises that might require a compromise for the greater good… you TAKE IT. We didn’t win civil rights by blowing up and murdering senators. We didn’t win over people with gay marriages by killing and slaughtering people. We won them through being loud, vocal, and through compromises that at some times weren’t in our best interest but still managed to move the needle FORWARD.

Progress is a bus route. You take the bus that’s heading in the direction you need to go. Even if that means it heads back a few spots first.

I am so mad that Gert died in an enforcer uniform, she barely got to speak, and she seemed to be a plot device for other characters.

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None of those things describe Caitlyn Kiramman.

1. She doesn’t rape anyone.

2. She’s not racist. Classist maybe, but not racist.

3. She’s not an abuser by the definition of abuse. Anude requires a PATTERN of repeated behavior designed to denegrate someone. A single gut check while emotionally compromised that she ultimately apologizes for doesn’t fit that description.

4. She doesn’t manipulate anyone. She tries to get Vi to join the Enforcers by getting her a badge without her consent, yes. But that’s not manipulation, and the key factor you dumbasses forget is IT DOESN’T WORK. Vi rejects the offer. That’s not manipulation.

5. She also doesn’t cheat on anyone? She’s not in a relationship with Vi when they “break up.” She is with Maddie for a little bit, but even then that ends. And when she’s making out with Vi she apologizes and lets Vi know she had been seeing another girl.

You don’t have to like Caitlyn, by Jesus Christ can you at least have good reasons to dislike her and not make shit up?

i feel disgusted whenever i see caitlyn kiramman

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Alright here we go.

My ideology is that you don’t have to agree with every little thing to get along with someone. This is just reality. I am an atheist, but I can show compassion to my Christian neighbors. They in turn show me kindness and compassion despite our ideological differences. This couldn’t be made more explicit in our sexual preferences. I am a lesbian. They are heteronormative Christians who hold heteronormative values. And in a time when so much of the nationalist Christian movement in America is against lgbt+ rights, this should cause great conflict between the two of us.

Using your own terms I could conceivably view them as my oppressors. Their religion and beliefs in life dominates the way the government responds to my very existence.

But I know deep down they are good people. And we’ve had many talks about our ideologies and come to understand and respect one another even if we will likely never be able to convince the other to change. And that empathy and mutual respect is important when the REAL fascists come knocking at our door.

Maybe you’re too young and don’t remember, but there was a time when our government functioned and both parties had beliefs that worked to serve the people. And it was REQUIRED that both parties work together to pass legislation for the good of our country. Civil Rights in the 60’s for example didn’t happen because we beat the shit out of one party, but by working WITH those people we despised so that we could pass legislation that protected us.

What’s happening now, and what you’re doing yourself, is you are self isolating from even the possibility of working together by segregating everything into neat little boxes. That way you don’t have to have empathy if someone checks off a box you don’t like. But the net result of this is that it’s creating MORE of a divide. More of a rift between people who are different from you.

The ONLY way we can fix this is if we reach across the aisle and pull them back with us. Pushing them away has resulted in a system that allowed fascism to FLOURISH. It’s not pleasant work. It’s immensely uncomfortable. But refusing to even. ENGAGE with anyone who has even the slightest hint of opposition to your own beliefs is how we fall apart. Everyone just sits in their echo chambers and self isolates until no one talks to each other ever again and authoritarian regimes and ideology quickly corrupts those boxes.

And that’s partially what the message of Arcane IS. The violence that happens isolates the two cities. Right or wrong whoever caused it first doesn’t matter. What matters is that by NOT having empathy, by NOT engaging with the opposition, it allowed someone like Ambessa to swoop in and manipulate everything to her whim. It allows grief and sadness an outlet in oppression. It allows inhuman acts to be made by “othering” their perceived rivals.

And the ONLY way that conflict gets resolved is when the two cities come together to fight a common enemy. Like I said before, they don’t have to agree 100% on ideology to achieve this. They just have to put aside their egos and their hatred long enough to get the job done. And the end result is a bandaid. A START to repair the damage. Because this is a LONG and THANKLESS and DIFFICULT job.

Creativity division is easy. Mending rifts is hard.

So when I see you spreading misinformation (Caitlyn isn’t a dictator, she doesn’t exhibit any of the behaviors or belief in authoritarian ideology to be classified as one) while ignoring the TRUE authoritarians pulling the strings like Ambessa, all i see is someone who is comfortable in your little isolated box who is angry and hostile towards anyone else who doesn’t fit in it with you. You have no interest in engaging with the media or the message. Because doing so would challenge your biases and built up walls of ideological isolation. So you throw tantrums and blame writers and spread misinformation. Because you’d rather be comfortable than enlightened.

That’s what I see in you.

I am so mad that Gert died in an enforcer uniform, she barely got to speak, and she seemed to be a plot device for other characters.

Arcane writers try to care about their black characters challenge (level: IMPOSSIBLE)

Rip Gert, I'll be spiteful on your behalf forever

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Cowards who can’t back up their ideology always run away from a discussion.

I am so mad that Gert died in an enforcer uniform, she barely got to speak, and she seemed to be a plot device for other characters.

Arcane writers try to care about their black characters challenge (level: IMPOSSIBLE)

Rip Gert, I'll be spiteful on your behalf forever