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secretsofdbz · 18 hours
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This little drawing of Vegeta and Bulma in the corner of the panel, being happy parents and welcoming their newborn daughter, is the best part of the chapter
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secretsofdbz · 2 days
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Hi come read my longfic "a different baby" pls (again :p ) :D
It's a fic about identity crisis and doubts and protecting kid Gohan.
Future Trunks is a girl, but has been hiding it, and she has to navigate her time travel and solve the Android crisis all while dealing with overbearing past!Bulma and the fact that baby Trunks was born male.
And then she finds out another future Trunks died in the future, killed by a monster that stole the Time Machine.... (so she can't just go home, she has to go save him first because we don't leave future Bulma alone and sad in this house!)
13+, somewhat follows canon from Meca Frieza onwards ^^
(it's genderbent but it's not for ships. Much closer to Blue Eye Samurai if anything XD)
Hyde finished this sketch the other day (I got to see it all be streamed actually!), and oh my ain't she my murdergirl?? The necklace was given by Vegeta (after a ton of PUNCHING) :p
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secretsofdbz · 3 days
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Wanted to do a redraw, experiment with lighting abit... gohan you are so perfectly little...
Questions or suggestions? Ask box is open!!
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secretsofdbz · 4 days
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Morning warm up sketches! These three are my favorite characters. I don't draw them enough because I feel like everyone only wants to see Vegeta, hahahhaa
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secretsofdbz · 4 days
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Hi come read my longfic pls :D
It's a fic about identity crisis and doubts and protecting kid Gohan.
Future Trunks is a girl, but has been hiding it, and she has to navigate her time travel and solve the Android crisis all while dealing with overbearing past!Bulma and the fact that baby Trunks was born male.
And then she finds out another future Trunks died in the future, killed by a monster that stole the Time Machine....
13+, somewhat follows canon from Meca Frieza onwards ^^
(it's genderbent but it's not for ships. Much closer to Blue Eye Samurai if anything XD)
@izuchant was kind enough to draw this epic drawing that's related to the fic, but I won't give you guys any context bwahaha... (Future Warrior in Black my beloved <3 )
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secretsofdbz · 4 days
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Alright, timelines. (link to my old post)
Today I'm going to walk you through the cluster fuck of Toriyama not paying attention to what he writes from the Trunks arc to the epilogue of the Perfect Cell arc.
Reminder that I divide the "Android Saga" in 4 arcs:
Trunks arc (arrival of Frieza to 3yg training),
Android arc (until the time machine is discovered)
Imperfect Cell arc (until Cell absorbs 18)
Perfect Cell arc (+ epilogue of Trunks killing imperfect Cell)
I will also pull Toei and Daizenshu content if needed just to show how bad it gets, BUT that's just to enhance my argument. Everything here is manga-deductible without extra context or content.
As I've shown in the link above, the manga implies 4 timelines:
Forgotten timeline (Cell kills Trunks and steals his time machine),
Lost timeline (the timeline that dead!Trunks traveled to, which did not have a Cell pop in the middle of its Android Saga, otherwise Trunks would've known about Cell),
Future Timeline (the one we know and see, Trunks traveled to a uni where Cell traveled to first, so there's changes and Cell pops up in the Android saga),
Main Timeline (the one we know and follow, to which Cell and Trunks traveled to),
Let's go into details about dates and math and everything first. (under the read more because LONG)
When Future Trunks discovers dead!Trunks' time machine, he states that it comes from age 788, which is 3 years from where he comes from (which means he comes from 785), and that the Machine landed here "4 years ago". 4 years ago was about one year before Trunks first came (aka one year before Meca Frieza stuff).
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During the first trip, Trunks states he comes from 20 years into the future.
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That means during his first trip, he went from 784/785 to 764.
We also know he's 17 at this point and "will be born in 2 and a half years"
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(Baby Trunks is supposed to be ~6 months old by May 12th, 767, so "I warn in 764, I'll be born in 2.5 years, so I was born in 766" works. Ignoring the wikis about Trunks' birthday being June and Future Trunks' birthday being in November, it doesn't matter here, we just need the years))
For Trunks to be 17 during his first trip, he needs to travel from 784 (before his 18th birthday). So by the time he comes back the second time, it needs to be in 785 (so he is 18!); since it takes 8 months to charge the machine (Trunks the Story manga chapter), that works out.
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So in terms of trips, we have:
Trunks (both versions) : (early-mid) 784 to 764
Trunks (both versions): (early-ish) 785 to May 12th 767
Cell: 788 to 763
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(handy recap sheet)
At the time, for Toei, there were only two Timelines (aka it was both multiverse theory AND dynamic time travel theory, because Trunks becoming aware of Cell who killed him means Trunks isn't killed by Cell... yeah it's all sorts of EHH ??):
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Anyway, you'd think this would be fine right? The image of Cell killing Trunks while he still had his sword (which he shouldn't since he broke it on 18's arm he never used it again in canon) is anime filler, we're all good.
Except... no. This fucking panel right here. Cell explains "(the machine/bots collecting dna) could've gotten Trunks cells but didn't because we had enough Saiyan cells".
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Cell supposedly comes from a timeline where GOKU killed Frieza and Cold. But this god forsaken panel contradicts that. (of course it's just that Tori forgot, but we are DB fans, we take things seriously and word of god of the manga is supreme and can't be wrong)
This means that THIS particular version of Cell doesn't come from the Forgotten Timeline.
The Cell we know and love/hate comes from a timeline in which a future Trunks killed Frieza and Cold, BUT everything still went to shit (Goku + gang dying, dead!Trunks traveling to the past, and coming back to destroy the Androids).
In this timeline, Bulma met Future Trunks (who killed Cold and Frieza) in 764, presumably the gang got all the warnings like in the main timeline, but everyone STILL died. So she invented the Time Machine to send her Trunks to the past (perhaps with different instructions so as to not repeat the mistakes of the Future Trunks she saw 20 years prior).
Here's the thing. There is a way for this timeline to exist. You "just" gotta work on the postulate that "each time there's a time travel to the past, a new branch is created". And "if the time machine travels back in time a second time, it lands in the timeline it first branched out unless it travels back further in time". Rephrased: The "784 to 764" trip created a new branch in 764. The "785 to 767" trip landed in that new 764 branch. However the "788 to 763" trip created a whole new branch in 763.
The Time Machine that was piloted by dead!Trunks actually "traveled further back in time", creating an earlier "branch"... which is why Trunks noticed changes, including Goku's late arrival (or Frieza's earlier arrival, we don't know).
Yes, because Future Goku did not use Instant Transmission to fight Frieza and Cold. We know he didn't because Future Bulma had the coordinates where Goku landed, which is how Future Trunks got said coordinates. If Goku had IT to fight Frieza and Cold, Bulma wouldn't have known where the pod was going to land 3 hours later.
So timelines and where does Cell come from? Well you need a timeline from the Branch that started in 764 (with a Future Trunks' arrival to kill Frieza and Cold) but in which everyone died to the Androids, and in which, when Trunks traveled back home, he was able to destroy the Androids...
Anyway here's my final recap of all the timelines in Z, in which "one time travel is one interference creating a new branch". And this is how we can see where Cell comes from :D
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This opens a realm of possibilities!!
Did a version of Trunks stay in the past, during his first trip and got a wish to Shenron to have a way to destroy his androids, so he didn't come back in 767 and didn't grow strong at all? Did the future trunks that warned against the Androids but that timeline still went to shit approached the problem differently?? who knows! Time for fanfics and doujins I guess :D
Peace!
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secretsofdbz · 4 days
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Victory!
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secretsofdbz · 5 days
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Artists, colorists, and more? A call to action :p
Today, I'd like to talk about Furusawa Jun'ya, aka Furujun, one of my faaaaave DB artists ever. He sadly passed away on May 1st 2020 (when his boat disappeared) and he is the one who created the most iconic (and only DB pin-up) Trunks piece in the franchise.
(as well as all other iconic Trunks pieces you can think of, because Furujun was very, very gay for Trunks and we stan)
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Anyway why this, why now? Because a little while ago I got my dirty, DIRTY hands on "The Works", his first published sketchbook after he became an official Shueisha artist, and it turns out that book not only contains the prep sketchwork for this illustration, but also the lineart.
And today, I'd like to share these in particular, perhaps it could become a trend to color, edit or redraw this piece for Furusawa's death anniversary?
Please tag me if you participate!
And perhaps we can make it a #dbredraw trend <3
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secretsofdbz · 5 days
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Yeahhhhh I'm done messing with these designs lol
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secretsofdbz · 6 days
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secretsofdbz · 6 days
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I always gotta add to it.
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secretsofdbz · 7 days
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secretsofdbz · 7 days
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secretsofdbz · 7 days
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Hi come read my longfic pls :D
It's a fic about identity crisis and doubts and protecting kid Gohan.
Future Trunks is a girl, but has been hiding it, and she has to navigate her time travel and solve the Android crisis all while dealing with overbearing past!Bulma and the fact that baby Trunks was born male.
And then she finds out another future Trunks died in the future, killed by a monster that stole the Time Machine....
13+, somewhat follows canon from Meca Frieza onwards ^^
(it's genderbent but it's not for ships. Much closer to Blue Eye Samurai if anything XD)
@izuchant was kind enough to draw this epic drawing that's related to the fic, but I won't give you guys any context bwahaha... (Future Warrior in Black my beloved <3 )
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secretsofdbz · 8 days
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(This is from Saiyan Monthly and used Gohan as a measuring stick to prove Vegeta is shorter than Bulma)
From the guide books, Vegeta is actually 56kg, not 60.
(It's trunks that's 170cm to 60kg)
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Anyway 56kg Vegeta is actually not completely out of this world for a 164cm tall man (or gremlin). It matches the weight of many East Asians and SEA, including Gymnasts and Muay Thai fighters.
Chamuekpet Hapalang at 168cm weighted between 50kg and 57kg for many of his fights...
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I have a stupid dbz question. How much should Vegeta weigh? I’ve seen the meme about the wiki saying he’s 164cm tall and 60kg, which is obviously not correct lol. However, the notes of that post give wildly varying opinions on what would actually be reasonable for him. I don’t take offense to the height, even if I feel like maybe it should be a little lower than that. So, assuming that the height is correct, what would be a reasonable amount for him to weigh? Preferably with some level of rationale for it lol (like basing it off someone with a comparable build or something like that)
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secretsofdbz · 8 days
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🧡 Like father like son 🧡
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Quick redraw of them 🥺>>>
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secretsofdbz · 9 days
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Currently thinking about Gohan and cell.... because of course I am.
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