#“DEEP DOWN I WOULD TRADE THE WORLD TO SEE MY SON AND WIFE”????

[potatounicoorn]

I just listened "Just a man" from Epic the musical and thought it fit early season Lord Garmadon and now my day is ruined

[byfulcrums]

It's kinda funny that if you take “Just a Man” from EPIC: The Musical out of context, the song is basically just about a man throwing a baby off a balcony and crying about it

[justablah56]

breaking news : aether just heard Just A Man on its Glenn Close playlist and is once again ugly sobbing about him

[nikoisme]

listening to music (on shuffle) and it played "just a man" and now it's playing "that unwanted animal" right after what the fuck. what.

[hetagrammy]

So the Troy Saga of Epic just came out and this song is giving me PEAK Rome vibes while on a conquest thinking about his family

[starfishlikestoread]

currently looping EPIC: The Musical (or at least the 5 songs that have been released) and every time 'Just a Man' comes on the only thing I can think of is "never knew there were so many parallels between Odysseus and Piotr Vorkosigan"

[maganne-bonete]

Also listening to the Horse and the Infant makes me think of Laurent but I guess it's because of the whole singing abt your loved ones while being away in war, having them as one of your drive to live and fight, but still having that softness inside you. But also, he's really smart when it comes to fighting. He was still well taught under his father's house despite being illegitimate. Just without the baby killing part.

[letsplaythermalnuclearwar]

"she's my everything, my Penelope"

I feel stupid for not seeing it earlier

"who do you live for?" "Penelope." "what do you try for?" "Telemachus"

Odysseus lies about everything, all the time

"deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife"

but he never lied about this

"I have to see her" "but we'll die" "I know"

[justanotherghostreader]

Damn “deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife” be hitting pretty hard now, mans was not kidding.

[0ghostwatcher]

Epic but it's Odypen:

Everybody wanted Helen of Sparta,I wanted someone smarter

Part of her family tree was the girl for me

A girl I would give the world to see(Penelope)

She made every heart in our vicinity soar

Felt like infinity roars

She was the first thing I had an affinity for

She's what I saved my virginity for

Oh, she was the cleverest girl I'd ever seen

Articulate, serene, the wittiness

Of my dreams, i wanted to scream

And long before we had a chance to meet

I knew we were thinking the same thing

We were wondering,Where is he?

Where is the man who'll have you to wife?

Where is he? Where is the man with whom

You'll spend your life

Cause in my darkest days, Penelope's my drive

Penelope

Penelope And Telemachus

I fight for us

I fight for us

Penelope(What do you try for?)Telemachus

(What do you wish for?)I'm on my way

You can say goodbye to(Penelope)

You can say goodbye to(Penelope)

Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife

Penelope's waiting for me,So full speed ahead

Penelope,I can't wait to make some new memories

I keep on trying to embrace you both,Why won't you let me?

So much has changed but I'm the same,Yes I'm the same

I can’t!Back at home, my wife awaits for me

She is my everything, my Penelope

And she’s all my power, all my power

But it’s been twelve long years, oh

Twelve long years since I have seen my wife

But it’s been twelve long years, oh

Twelve long years since I have seen my wife

I see your wife with a man who is haunting

A man with a trail of bodies

Who!?

I see a song of past romance

this can't go on,I must get to see Penelope

Monster

Penelope

Don't you miss me?More than you know

Penelope, why?You know I'm too shy and terrified

Ooh, for you, I would die, but can't you let me stay dry?

Let's cut the charade, you are no wife of mine!

You miss your wife so bad, you trade the lives of your own crew

Captain?

I have to see her

But we'll die

I know

Where is he?Where is the man who'll have you to wife? Oh oh

Where is he? Where is the man with whom you'll spend your life?

Tell me, though, who's Penelope?She's my wife

I'm not your man!Hell no!I could kill you where you stand!

I'm no pet, I'm a married man!

[geneticdriftwood]

epic the musical odysseus is a much more typically ‘heroic’ or moral guy than iliad and odyssey odysseus, but it absolutely nails his willingness to do whatever it takes to get back to penelope and telemachus. “deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife”, “there is no price you won’t pay / I am not letting you get in my way”, “if I were to make you choose/ the lives of your men and crew or your own/ why do I think they’d lose”. and he’s traumatized by these choices but he makes them anyways, every time.

[arosmith-zeppelin]

i know that i'm approximately twelve years late to thunder saga analysis but i can't stop thinking about the moment when odysseus chooses to sacrifice his crew for the chance to see penelope again.

because people have already said that odysseus would not have chosen differently. odysseus himself tells the audience as much as early as "just a man" ("deep down i would trade the world to see my son and wife"). big, nebulous words, because in what situation will one man have to choose between his family and an entire world? yet anyone familiar with odysseus's characterizations across the odyssey retellings know that he would always choose penelope and telemachus. it's just that after "monster," odysseus can throw away his guilt.

but look what happens in the moment. considering tiresias's prophecy, "monster," and "different beast," and considering the context of the crews' actions in this saga, you wouldn't be wrong to infer that odysseus would coldly resign his crew to death. when i was first listening to "thunder bringer," i was following along with the lyrics and saw the "but we'll die" "i know" exchange a few seconds before they sung it. i expected the "i know" to be cold and dismissive. but it wasn't. you can hear the sadness and regret in odysseus's voice (not regret over his choice, but regret that it turned out this way). "please don't make me do this," odysseus sings only a few lines before this. even after the mutiny, even after they slaughter helios' cows after odysseus warns them against it, odysseus does not want all of them die. but he wants to see penelope more, so he makes his choice.

and maybe he will throw his guilt away. maybe he won't feel guilt at all. maybe his regret over the deaths was the last shred of the open arms mentality.

"so much has changed but im the same, yes i'm the same" goes both ways. he would always trade the world for penelope and telemachus and he would always be haunted by the deaths of the men under his command

[aj-acent]

my addition to the Epic fandom 🫡

each like black and white still is based off of a certain line in my fave songs from the musical bc akhsksnsjaka i love this sm

Lines:

Open Arms: “That’s what we’d get with open arms…”

Just a Man: “Deep down i would trade the world to see my son and wife”

Done For: “You and I are now evenly matched || our fates are intertwined their attached”

Keep Your Friends Close: “I keep trying to embrace you both, why won’t you let me (just keep your eyes open) || So much has changed, but I’m the same, yes I’m the same!”

The Horse and the Infant: “I know that I’m ready (I don’t think you’re ready”

Remember Them: “My friend is dead, our foe is blind || The blood we shed it never dries!”

Puppeteer: “Of course I’d like to leave now, of course I’d like to run! || But I can hardly sleep now, knowing everything Id done”

Now leave me alone while i cry aksjksjakajak

[raayllum]

I'm just a man Whose fighting for his life Deep down I would trade the world To see my son and wife I'm just a man But when does a comet become a meteor? When does a candle become a blaze? When does a man become a monster? When does a ripple become a tidal wave? When does the reason become the blame? When does a man become a monster?

[ravenscamander]

To celebrate the one-month anniversary of EPIC: The Circe Saga I present to you:

Moments in EPIC: The Musical that make me go

Mhhhhhhhh

dundundundun dun dun dundundun alright my brothers listen closely

but now we'll be the ones who ~Slayyyyyy~

Penelopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Penelopeeeeee

And TELEMACHUUUUUUUS

i couLD RAISE HIM AS MY OOOOOOOOOOOWN

The Blood On Your Hands Is Something You Won't Lose, All You Can Choose Is Whose

(literally all of Just A Man, that song will haunt me forever)

(but especially:)

how could I hurt youuuuuu

I'm just a man who's trying to go home even after all the years away from what I've known

I'm just a man who's fighting for his life, deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife

the choir chorus. Just. All of it.

forGIIIIIIVE MEEEEEEEEEE

forgiiive meee

I'm juuuust aaaaa maaaaaaan

The Full Speed Ahead Instrumental Intro.

Six. Hundred. Men.

600 miles of open seaaaaaaa

But the problem's not the distance (it's what lies in between)

And Ithaca's waitiiiiiiing, my kingdom is waitiiiiiiiiiiiiiing, PENELOPE'S WAITIIIIIIIIIIIING for meeeeeee

That High Note™ on full speed aheeeeeaaaaad

Captain? EURYLOCHUS

Captain?Politeeees

GIVE ME TIL SUNRIIIIIIIIISE AND IF WE DON'T RETUUUUUUUURN

Then 600 men can make this whole place BURN

So full speed aHEEEEEEAAAAAAAAD

WE'RE UP WE'RE OFF AND AWAY WE GO

You can relax my friend (...what)

That High Note™ on Give it a try it's not that hard

STAY BACK (stay back...)

See? This life is amazing when you greet it with open arms (~ahhhhhh~)

A CAVE

East! (That way)

Thank you! (Welcome)

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE LESSONS I TAUGHT YOU

LET. ME. REMIND YOU.

~Goddess of Wisdoooooom~

~Master of Waaaaaar~

i HAD a challenge, a TEST of skill, a magic BOAR only the best could kiiiiill

Little Odysseus's LET'S GO

I can see youuu HOW CAN YOU SEE THROUGH MY SPELL

I was lying! And you fell for my bluff! Hahahaha

Nahhh, don't be modest, I know you're a goddess, so let's be honest you are

ATHENAAA (athena!)

Badass in the arena! Unmatched, witty, and queen of the best strategies we've seen!

The duet harmonies in the second chorus! Fucking superb

Look at all this food! Look at all these sheep!

WHO ARE YOU

YOU KILLED MY SHEEP

banger cello solo

MY FAVOURITE SHEEP

Take from you as you took from meee

theRE'S BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING

Wine?

A gift from you and a gift from meee

My name is noooobody, Noooooobody, Nooooobody (aka That High Note™ part 3)

I'm so glad we see eye to eye

...what?

WATCH OUT

POOOOOOOLYYYYYYYYYPHEEEEEEEEMUUUUUUUUS

PO!LY!PHE!MUS!

Six Hundred liiiiiives at stake, it's just one liiiiiiiife to take

Stay in his blinds while you striiiiiiike his heels (STRIKE THE HEELS)

Show him that we're deadly! (HAH! HAH!)

SIX HUNDRED LIIIIIIVES AT STAKE IT'S JUST ONE LIIIIIIIIFE TO TAKE (pt. 2 choir version)

*body tumbles across the ground* cap...tain...

banger cello solo pt.2 electric boogaloo

*electric guitar fades in* dundundundundundun dundundundundundun

But captain, what will we do with our fallen friends?

remember them

REMEMBER THEM

(let's kill him!)

Remember them (part 3 choir version)

SCATTER

It was noooooobody, Nooooobody, Noooooobody

If nobody hurt you be silent! (Don't go!)

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE LESSONS I TAUGHT YOU (no.2)

no

No??!!!

What good would killing do? When mercy is a skill more of this world could learn to use?

don't

HEY CYCLOPS

The next time that you dare choose not to spare, remember them! Remember uuuuus! Remember me!

I'm the reigning king of Ithacaaaaaaaa

I am neither man nor mythicaaaaal

IIIIIIII am your darkest momeeeeeent

IIIIII am the infamooouuuuus

Odysseus

(aka the first time our main character gets actually named aka the worst decision ever made by the poor guy)

You were reckless, sentimental at best. That's not a teaching of mine. You've grown soft! Your dead friends can attest! (hey) Put your emotions aside.

That Growl™ on I don't know where I went wrong

That's just like you! Why should I be surprised? Selfish and prideful and vain

You're Not Looking For A Mentor, I'm Not Looking For A Friend

At least I know what I'm fighting for while you're fighting to be known! Since you claim you're so much wiser, why's your life spent all alone? You're alone!

One day, you'll hear what I'm saying, one day, you might understand, one day. But not today for after all you're

JUUUUUUST AAAAAA MAAAAAAAN

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*soft piano outro*

*epic horn intro*

*epic trumpet solo*

These waaaaaves and tiiiiiides have grown in strength and siiiiize

Brace for a STOOOOOOOORM (stoooooorm)

The likes of which we've never seen before!

Have them follow my ship, I'll ensure that we'll PREVAIIIIL

At this rate we won't make it out aliiiiiive

~an island in the skyyyyy~

We're gonna shoot for the sky! (what.)

STOOOOOOOOOOOORM, STOOOOOOOOOOOORM (this time with amazing harmonies)

WE'RE SHOOTING FOR THE ISLAND IN THE SKY! IN THE SKYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Please don't tell me you're about to do what I think you'll do

We're in the home of the Wind God! (We don't know for sure.) How many floating islands have you seen before? This is the home of the Wind God! (And what's your plan.) I'm gonna climb to the top and ask 'em for a hand

Have faith friend, we've come this far

Yes, but how much longer til your luck runs out

You rely on wit and people die on it, whooaa

I still believe in goodness

I still believe that we could be kind

Lead from the heart, and see what starts

Thank you for the concern but brother I can assure you, our journey is almost done. I understand that we're tired, I understand that we're fazed. But don't forget how much we already faced!

I took 600 men to war and not one of them died there. In case you needed a reminder.

If you want to talk more, let me pull you aside then. I need to talk to you in private.

Hahaha

I am the wind, twisting and turning

HAHAHA

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer! (Never really know who you can trust)

If they wanna get the bag open you gotta say No Sir (Sometimes killing is a must what)

It's treasure! what.

NO DO NOT.

Everybody listen closely. See how this bag is closed? That's how it's supposed to be.

Cause the end always justifies the means (everything's changed since Polites)

For nine days I've stayed wide awake, tried to make it home with no storm or tidal wave. I remain unopposed, the bag is still closed and I'm getting closeeeer to youuuuuuu (Penelopeeeee) I can't wait to make some new memories (Teleeeemaaaachuuuus) Time for me to be the father I never was

(just keep your eyes open) why are my eyes and my heart and my soul so heavy (just keep your eyes open) I keep on trying to embrace you both why won't you LET MEEEEEEE (Just Keep Your Eyes Open) So much has changed, but I'm the same, yes I'm the SAAAAAAME

Just keep your eyes open, keep your eyes open

Wake up. Wake up, Odysseus, they're opening the bag, WAKE UP

EPIC ORCHESTRA™

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

STOOOOOOOOORM

OOOODYSSEUS OF ITHACA

do you know who I am

*wave sounds*

POSEIDON POSEIDON POSEIDON POSEIDON POSEIDON POSEIDON POSEIDON Poseidon

In all my yeeeaaaars of living it isn't very often that I get pissed off

Iiiiii've been so graaaaacious

That's right, the Cyclops you made blind is mine (no)

I'm left without a choice, and without a doubt, Guess The Pack Of Wolves Is Swimming With The Shark Now

You are the worst kind of good cause you're Not. Even. Great.

A Greek who reeks of false right.eous.ness that's what I HATE

I mean you totally could've avoided all this had you just killed my son. But ~nooo~

YOU ARE FAR TOO NICE, MERCY HAS A PRICE

Unlike you, I have no mercy left to give cause

Ruth.less.ness is mercy upon ourselves

Ruthlessness is MERCY UPON OURSELVES

OURSELVES

*wave sounds pt.2*

We took no pleaaaasure in his pain

That High Note™ on We only wanted to escaaaaaape

The Line Between Naivety And Hopefulness Is Almost Invisible

die

When does a ripple become a tidal wave

43 left under your command

When does a man become a monsteeeer

Iiiiiii am your daaaaaarkest momeeeent

Any last words?

ALL I GOTTA DO IS OPEN THIS BAG (WHAT)

EPIC BRASS SOLO™

Remember meee...

*eerie strings*

We came across a palace, inside we heard a voice

Sir! Sincewelefthomewefacedavarietyoffoesfromawiderangeofplaces gods, monsters, you know the roster, hostile creatures that we could resist, but this was a hell of a twist cause we are weak to a power like this!

What was it??? A woman.

What.?

She had us in just two words

~Come inside~

Damn

That Run™ on Go ahead and rest wherever you liiiiike

Take a seat (Yeah)! Let me bring you all something to eat (Yeah)!

This is the priiice we pay to liiiiive, the world does not tend to forgive

We have to go save them. No we don't

There's no length I wouldn't go if it was you I had to save! I can only hope you'd do the saaaame?

hehehe

hehehehehehe

hahahaha

I must say, what a brilliant speech you gave

Divine intervention, someone who's not afraid to... Send a message

Hermes? AHOHOHOHAHAHAHA

the chorus

That Run™ on When you take her on aloooooooone

the chorus again, this time with harmonies

~Here in the root of this flower there lies such a power to take her on~

That High Note™ on then you'll manifest a Being of your creation (all you need's imagination)

And I call this root ~Holy~ ~Moly~

Ahh...

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

More Chorus with More Harmonies!

OHHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Don't thank me friend, you very well may die. Ahmhmhmhm! Good luck

*Carmen intro*

Lady of the palace

Did you do something to them? Who me? All I did was reveal their true forms.

You turned them into pigs.

Ha

I don't know who you are nor why you're here, but let me make this one thing clear: I've got people to protect, nymphs I can't neglect, so I'm not taking chances, dear

If you make one wrong move then you're done for, anything I don't approve and you're done for, I could put a spell on you and you're done for, boy you better run or soon you will be done for

I DON'T MEAN TO TIP YOUR SCALE

~dire consequence~

Hermes gave it to you, didn't he?

Okay fine, yes, but regardless-

Duet version of I've got people to protect

*sword sound* You've lost.

My nymphs are like my daughters I protect them at all costs

... I'm not sure I follow

There are other ways of persuasion, there are other modes of control, there are other means of deceit, there are other roads to the soouuul, there are other actions of passion, you have so much left to learn, want to save your men from the fire? Show me that you're willing to buuuuuurn ohhhhhhh

~so much power, so much power~

I can't

*Penelopeeeeee* but make it viola

She's my everything, my Penelope

*sigh* Poseidon, eh?

I know of a brilliant prophet! Problem is this prophet is dead

I remember actions of passion, I have been in love once before. Maybe one day the world will need a puppeteer no moooooooore. Or maybe one day the world will need a puppeteer

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE

I apologise for any spelling mistakes and also for the length of this. It took me way too long but oh well

[itspeanutlove]

Odysseus: You guys mean the world to me 🥹

Eurylochus & the crew: aww thanks :D

Odysseus: 🎶🎶 DEEP DOWN I WOULD TRADE THE WORLD TO SEE MY SON AND WIFE— 🎶🎶