#(clearly not fomortiis)

[mirensiart]

magvel princes + twitter

joshua took the screenshot and and liked their dumb convo too lol

[real-fire-emblem-takes]

All the other FE monsterfuckers are focused on Fomortiis, while I'm thinking about everything the Fell Xenologue twins could do to someone when they're in dragon form.

('probably just kill you' - yeah but that's clearly not what I'm talking about)

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[miraclelevellan]

I like that they called Fomortiis by his names instead of just going 'yeah this is Lyon' and making it clearly not Lyon.

Unlike a certain Fell Dragon who can't be bothered to actually use their name and instead be an edgy bitch by constantly using someone elses for fake angst

Anyway Fomo literally slaps,but fuck his prf A skill we are all fucked!

Oh and Gotoh is there to I guess

[wherefore-whinnies]

can't get over how I still haven't seen ANYONE comment on how the mythic hero battle is called "Gotoh: Fomortiis" which is clearly a mistake where they put in the wrong string to be formatted with the mythic heroes' names

[fe8meta]

Lyon, Knoll, and the other court mages’ desire to prove the worth of dark magic is one thing that I find very interesting and I wish it was more prominent. On one hand it’s an extension of Lyon’s desire to prove himself worthy, and on the other it has many parallels to science and it seems to be feared. Knoll considered Lyon’s fate as punishment for delving too deeply into it as a means to save lives, by Fomortiis corrupting him.

“Yeah, but your scientists mages were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” (Well, to be fair, they did question whether they should… and agreed to keep going.)

A discussion on the flaws of magic and its impact would have been a very interesting theme in the game. Natasha and Knoll scrape the surface of it when they talk about dark magic being founded on knowledge, and light magic being founded on faith.

In the case of dark magic, how far are you willing to go to unveil its power? Lyon was willing to cross the boundaries of life and death to resurrect his father, but this resurrected Vigarde is just a puppet with no will of his own, with no conscience that defined the man he used to be.

In the case of light magic, what exactly defines the faith that powers it? The blinder the devotion, the more powerful the spells become? How far are you allowed to question your beliefs before your magical ability begins to falter? Riev also clearly shows that light magic is not powered by faith in any particular deity; he is a faithful devotee of Fomortiis, yet his Light magic has not been hindered in any way.

Anima magic isn’t as essential to FE8′s story (and is also at a disadvantage against Dark magic which is prevalent in late-game), but it is established as nature-based magic. It presents an interesting relationship in the magic triangle; faith overcomes knowledge, knowledge overcomes nature, and nature overcomes faith.

If you subscribe to the idea that Lyon and his dark magic experimentation inadvertently caused the earthquake (a natural disaster) he foresaw — while under the belief the experiments would prevent it — it makes you wonder if there were very practical reasons why dark magic was denounced and buried. Like you said, it has a lot of parallels to science; like, “Yay! DDT gets rid of the pests eating our crops! …Oh, and it’s also wreaking havoc on the environment, causing diseases in animals and humans, and pests are growing resistant to it thanks to improper usage.”

Even if you don’t subscribe to that theory, it doesn’t change the fact that Lyon failed at his goal and his people suffered for it. (It brings a level of irony to the words he said to the twins as he described his dream: “What if we can read the future, predict disasters, move mountains!?” Yeah, the mountains moved… downwards into towns and cities, burying them and their inhabitants.)

[fehcanons]

First, good luck with your blog!!!! Second, do you think you could do headcanons for a summoner (gender neutral so everyone can enjoy ^_^) who develops a huge crush on Kaze or Lyon (your choice, whoever you'd prefer to write for), but no matter how hard they try to be subtle about it, they get caught?

Thank you!!! 

Kaze

As summoner, your day to day activities is very involved

If you’re not helping a hero adjust to Askr, then you’re most likely either asleep or planning teams and battle strategies

You do always have time for whenever heroes need you

Sadly, Kaze is one of the heroes that fully adapts to Askr within a couple days

Where most heroes would seek you out, you look for Kaze

The ninja doesn’t make it easy for you to find him, but he loves seeing your exasperated expression from being unable to find him

You find yourself smiling and laughing just a little bit more with Kaze than others, his calm attitude always making you feel comfortable

You think you act the exact same around Kaze but everyone can clearly see how much you’re crushing. Everyone except Kaze that is

Kaze’s unawareness of you crush leads you to believe that you’re being subtle.

Private excursions to the training tower, handpicked gifts, and your daily talks just don’t seem to get to Kaze

Everyone else meanwhile knows about your crush, and they think you aren’t trying to be subtle

It isn’t until Sharena asks you how your relationship with Kaze is going and several other heroes ask you, that you realize your subtle hints haven’t been all that subtle

By the time you manage to confess to Kaze, most of the Order knows, but Kaze is caught completely off guard

Kaze is very much a reserved man, when you mention everything he’s done, he’s left blushing from it all. He shyly and happily says yes

Lyon

From the first time you saw him, you couldn’t help but admire his adorableness.

That adorableness disappeared when he battles your heroes.

The demon king possessing Lyon is very much a scary thing to face

Whenever his possessions get to be a bit too much, you force yourself to stay by Lyon’s side

You gently hold his hand and speak softly to him before he can snap out of it

The two of you also spend hours in the library reading beside each other

You happily listen Lyon endlessly go on over his research/readings

Lyon develops a crush on you harder than a sharp turn

His possessions don’t stop, but he definitely tries harder to stop Fomortiis whenever you’re around

Your gentle gestures to Lyon don’t go unnoticed by the Order of Heroes but it’s how Lyon acts around you that alerts the Order of Heroes of what’s going on between you two

Lyon is a nervous wreck around you. You eventually realize that he knows, but you’re too shy to confess to him

Lyon eventually confesses first and you’re left reeling from him mentioning your not so subtle flirting attempts

You meekly say yes when he asks you out, too embarrassed from you being so obvious

[for-grado]

plots call

wishlist of plots i’m thinking of!  please feel free to DM me for a plot line

01. what makes it worse than necromancy?

verse: pre fe8 preferred character: i can work with nearly any plot: lyon, due to his sickly constitution, has rarely ever left Grado’s capital castle, let alone the city itself.  at some point, he’s witness to either his guard or another party engaging with, and defeating, a group of bandits or mercenaries... and mourns the bandits.  presumably, some one tries to convince him why murder can be necessary.

02. :^)

verse: heroes preferred character: any one with a holy weapon, or who was a lord, etc plot: what if like fomortiis started creeping back into Lyon, through one way or another, and rather than hide it this time, he just asks some one to help him find a way in Askr to die For Real?  bonus if we can reference how takumi, hardin, or celica, have to just Live Like That

03. amidst preparations

verse: pre fe8 preferred character: any of the Imperial Three, or magvellian royalty sans Joshua or the twins plot: there’s a lot of work to be done before lyon can be confidently prepared to invade Renais.  in the midst of this, he’s clearly taken by strange episodes and mood swings.  the Emperor makes odd orders and decisions.  it doesn’t seem like either of the royal family wish to be approached...

04. necromancy is actually pretty good

verse: non-heroes crossover preferred character: any one who fits plot: whether by chance or providence, some one would like to raise the dead, and despite a roiling feeling in his stomach that says he should disagree, Lyon is ready to help.

[fe8meta]

To follow up on my thoughts about the Black Temple, as mentioned in my “Magvel’s Ancient Architecture” post:

With its steps and columns, the Black Temple looks like a Parthenon overrun with trees. Appropriate, given that the Parthenon was itself a temple for Athena. Makes me wonder whether the Black Temple existed before Fomortiis’ time and was used to seal his body there, or if it was built around his body to trap him within…

The Archanea, Jugdral, and Valentia games pretty clearly establish that what the humans believe to be gods are actually almost always members of the dragon tribes. From what FE8′s intro gives us, the same goes for Magvel; the mural that flashes in and out of the opening (which I stitched together) depicts a dragon surrounding the Sacred Stones. The interior of the Black Temple and the Tower of Valni also depict manakete like Myrrh and Morva holding glowing orbs and wearing robes.

Given how the temple and the manakete have a common Greek-inspired theme, it is likely that the Black Temple was once a temple to worship the manakete. The temple may have been used for humans and manakete to communicate with each other, and/or by the manakete to descend to the human plane. Perhaps some manakete even lived in the temple, like Valentia’s Mila did. (It also reinforces why the Rausten theocracy is located next to the Black Temple; it was already a religious hub before the first war and just gained the extra duty of being the first line of defense against the Demon King.)

At the end of the war, however, the temple was used to seal away the Demon King’s body, probably because it has enough magical power from the manakete’s presence to keep the Demon King at bay. While its soul was moved to the location furthest from Darkling Woods, its body alone has immense magical power. It’s enough to continue spawning monsters even without a soul, for probably hundreds of years. Even through all the seals that have been placed, it still has that much power.

As a result, since the one point of contact between Magvel and the heavens is now being used to seal away the Demon King, most communication between humans and the heavens has been cut off. The only manakete left on Magvel are Morva and the young Myrrh. So to protect themselves, and to make humans less dependent on outside forces, Morva asks the Five Heroes to cover up the dragons’ involvement in the war.

By the time of the main game, the manakete are practically a myth, known only by few. We never hear from the gods, because Magvel has lost its connection to them, and the legends about them were deliberately obfuscated so we know little about them outside of the fact that there are multiple gods.

[for-grado]

the generals

hi okay i wanted to write a meta about how lyon feels towards each general or other headcanons about them so i’m gonna pop it under the cut ~~~~

The Obsidian - Duessel aimed to train Lyon in the art of combat from when he was younger, but Lyon hated his rigorous style of teaching and his own ineptitude with melee combat.  Until Ephraim trains under Duessel, and thereby trains Lyon, he absolutely despises Duessel in any interpersonal relationship.  He does, however, recognize his honorableness and loyalty to Grado, and respects that, but fears both things too, because Duessel will absolutely judge Lyon for not being a perfect prince.  Possessed, Fomortiis sees Duessel as useful because of such traits, which is why he delays in ordering his death.  Part of Lyon’s subtle hatred for Duessel means Fomortiis would have killed him off sooner if he didn’t think he could use his loyalty.

The Fluorspar - Selena is loyal and honorable like Duessel, but more loyal than honorable in the end.  Lyon did not have much interpersonal contact with her, except for maybe in his youth she tested his magical ability.  Since Lyon’s incapable of anima magic, it obviously went no where.  He always thought she was the most approachable of the three, but also couldn’t trust her when it came to his research, in fear she’d tell his father he was doing unsavory things in the name of progress.  Fomortiis finds her amusing because of her loyalty.  There’s no coincidence he paired her with Caellach.

The Sunstone - Lyon is afraid of Glen because he’s a large man with an angry mug.  If they’ve spoken, it was done in passing and with Lyon fleeing at the earliest opportunity.  Similarly, Fomortiis sees him as the biggest threat to his plans.  Since Lyon didn’t have as many memories to draw a conclusion from, he sees Glen as the most likely to turn “traitorous”.  Sticking him with Valter was literally just because Valter was most likely to kill who ever he was working with, as Lyon couldn’t get away with killing Glen himself and still maintain the other general’s loyalty.

The Tiger Eye - Caellach was an easy hire, and Fomortiis likes him because of how easy he can be controlled.  Lyon maintains the weakened prince act around Caellach to tempt him -- when he’s done with his next job, maybe you can kill the Prince and become King, Caellach!  I’m unsure how Lyon found him yet, but it had to be as easy as catching flies with honey.

The Blood Beryl - Riev I firmly headcanon worships Fomortiis.  As we know, in Magvel, light magic is always faith-based, and it clearly doesn’t matter what faith needs to be held.  In a way, he’s the safest General for Lyon to have, because his devotion to Fomortiis means that he even seems to care for the Demon King’s vessel.  In game he does seem closer to Lyon physically and in other ways, so it’s safe to say he’s the only general Fomortiis “trusts”.

The Moonstone - It’s hard to say when Valter was originally a part of the Imperial Three, so it was either before Lyon was even born, or when Lyon was very, very young.  In any case, I don’t think Lyon would remember or know about it, especially considering the kind of shameful reason he was fired in the first place.  Similarly, I don’t think it’s mentioned whether or not he held the same title of Moonstone before he was fired, but I like to think that he was given it the second time around to signify/foreshadow replacing Glen completely.

[fe8meta]

Innes and Lyon as Mirror Characters

I started getting to this topic in Desire vs. Responsibility: Innes and Tana, and felt that this deserves its own post.

Similarities

To copy from the aforementioned post, Innes and Lyon are both princes and heirs to the throne who have talent in areas that keep them away from the spotlight, have romantic interests in Eirika, and are jealous of Ephraim. Both feel a heavy responsibility of being good enough to step into their fathers’ shoes, and both feel a sense of insecurity as a result of it. Tana says about Innes, “he wants to be the best at everything. The best king, the best general, the best fighter, the best man...” Lyon disparages himself as a “pitiful crown prince” and tells Eirika that “The people need a strong ruler. They don’t want a weakling like me. They want the strength you and Ephraim share.”

The two of them blatantly believe Eirika wouldn’t acknowledge them if they can’t prove themselves superior to Ephraim, a sentiment that Eirika is clearly confused by. I don’t think it’s necessarily an indication of what they believe Eirika and Ephraim’s relationship is like, and more an indication of what they perceive Ephraim to be like. As I just mentioned, both Innes and Lyon have grown up being groomed to inherit the throne; unlike Ephraim, who has Eirika, they don’t have anyone that shares that responsibility. The age difference between Innes and Tana is unknown, but she is clearly younger than him and doesn’t seem to share even a fraction of his responsibilities. Lyon, as far as we know, is an only child and doesn’t even have a sibling to confide in or talk with. In his A support with Gerik, Innes confides his belief that “Those born to royalty cannot show others any weaknesses or deficiencies. If they’re not perfect at all times, their enemies will take advantage of them.” As Lyon’s quote above indicates, Lyon believed the same thing; after all, this is largely the root of his insecurities.

Because of this, they’re envious of, and perhaps even somewhat disappointed in, the carefree Ephraim who doesn’t give a shit about his duties and his birthright. He effectively says, right in front of Lyon’s face, that he’d rather dump all his responsibilities on Eirika and become a mercenary. To rub salt into the wound, he then jokes that King Fado would “likely outlive us all.” Lyon touches on his own father’s failing health caused by the pressure and duties of his station right afterwards, perhaps in response to the jest. Eirika gives him a touch of condolences, then tells Ephraim that he should be more like Lyon. Ephraim, for his part, doesn’t even seem to acknowledge Lyon’s small admission of plight* and dismisses Eirika’s comment as criticism before once again telling her that she should take his place as future king. (Makes me wonder if Fomortiis/Lyon’s targeting Renais first, killing King Fado, and gloating of it to Ephraim was all done out of spite for this scene. At the very least, if Ephraim remembered, it would screw with him.)

Assuming that Ephraim and Eirika interacted in a similar manner in front of Innes and Tana, it’s little wonder that Innes fails to see Ephraim’s good points that Eirika insists he has. Innes likely sees a man without any respect for his own birthright and duties, who would sooner leave his father and his country in their time of need to indulge in his own whims, and who would abandon his (technically) younger sister with what he should be responsible for. On top of that, Ephraim is widely recognized for his talent at fighting, so it’s not unlikely that Innes hears much praise go to Ephraim for it. For Innes, who values accomplishing his duties above all else, it’s absolutely infuriating to see Ephraim garner praise and favor when he doesn’t even care about all the privileges he’s had or care to use his talents to better himself for his duties.

*I don’t think Ephraim did this on purpose or out of malicious intent; he could simply have been oblivious or wasn’t sure how to respond. But it doesn’t change his reaction.

Differences

The way they show their feelings about Ephraim, though, differ: Innes has no problem with challenging Ephraim at every twist and turn--even at his own sister’s birthday party!--while Lyon just bottles it all up. And, while both envy Ephraim’s prowess on the battlefield, Innes is an accomplished archer himself while Lyon has absolutely no skill in physical combat. Innes is also a remarkable strategist and the leader of his country’s spy network; Lyon, as far as we know, doesn’t have many accomplishments to his name aside from saving a burn victim in Serafew and saving the lives of sailors by preventing them from riding out into a storm.

As a result, a major part of Innes’ personality is his “fool pride,” as Eirika puts it, while Lyon needs people to give him affirmation and emotional support. Innes is out there to prove that he can and he will surpass all that is before him, while Lyon has no faith in himself and needs constant reassurance. At the same time, though, Innes is actually humbler than Lyon in a way, while Lyon isn’t any less prideful than Innes. People can point out Innes’ flaws straight to his face and while he may brush it past or react in slight shock, he doesn’t lash out or try and “get revenge” for it.

In Innes’ A support with Joshua, he mentions how he spent so much time being groomed to be king that he didn’t spend much time learning about layman tricks like rigged coin-tossing. When Joshua points out that some things are best learned on the field, Innes acknowledges that Joshua is right. At the end of Chapter 10A, so long as Gerik and Tethys are both alive, Innes will thank them for what they’ve done (much to Tethys’ shock and, in turn, his annoyance). As Gerik says to Innes in their A support:

You must have worked yourself near to death to preserve that pride. What I mean is that you never make excuses for losing or being beaten up. No matter the pain you face or hardship, you keep on fighting to honor that pride.

Lyon, in contrast, doesn’t take his slights well. The flashbacks in the beginning of Chapters 14A and 14B recreate a bit of his past with Eirika and Ephraim; the flashback with Eirika comes first, where he loses a bout to Eirika in fencing. This means that they were both using swords. Come the flashback in 14B, with Ephraim: Lyon says “Why don’t you teach me to wield a lance, Ephraim? I can’t let my defeat to Eirika go unchallenged. I look foolish.” Remember that Ephraim taught Eirika how to fight, too. He could’ve taught Lyon to use swords like he taught Eirika, but no: Lyon chooses a weapon that’s more like Ephraim’s and has weapon triangle advantage over Eirika. He chooses to turn to a completely different route instead of honing what he already knows. Not unlike how he turns to forbidden, obscure revival magic to resurrect his father instead of taking his knowledge and honing it to come up with a way to rule his country. (Also, after Ephraim warns Lyon that he’ll have to put his all in their training session, Lyon’s response is “Just go easy on me, all right?” Does he really want to improve, or does he just want to rebuild his shattered ego?)

Another interesting difference is how Innes and Lyon handle friendship. Lyon is crippled by his loneliness, and his feeling of inadequacy is suggested to only grow in Ephraim and Eirika’s presence. He tells Ephraim “it’s kind of weird to be helping you all the time” and, as Ephraim is leaving to return to Renais, tells him “when we each take the reigns of our nations, we probably won’t meet again… Not like this, I mean. Not as friends.” Despite how fondly both parties thought of each other, Lyon just always has a nagging feeling that he’ll be pushed aside, left behind, forgotten. It’s quite odd that he says this, too, despite Fado and Vigarde being friends presumably since before they ascended the thrones themselves.

Innes, on the other hand, doesn’t really come out and admit that he is friends with Eirika or Ephraim, and keeps his tone quite formal around them. However, in the epilogue of Eirika’s route, he notes that “friendships are a worthy exception to my distrust [of people who act out of purely altruistic motives].” Before that, when Frelia’s Sacred Twins are delivered to him, he insists on entrusting them to Eirika or Ephraim and believes that they will make the right decision on who to give them to. Also interesting is that on either route, he concedes that the leader of the army is whichever Lord you picked, even if it’s Ephraim. He’s matured, perhaps because of the war, and is willing to put aside his emotions for the sake of their goal.