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Primadonna by MARINA reminds me of Drew Tanaka in tlh

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HPD An Shiraishi

A post where I diagnose An with what im considering my whole system has. Because girlie you are not normal and neither am I.

HPD: histrionic personality disorder. It's the least talked about from the four Cluster B disorders, and so I'm also talking about it and what relates it to An Shiraishi from what we feel ourselves.

First of all, similar to NPD, HPD is an attention seeking disorder, and I'm not going to talk about the difference much because i can fuck it up, but I see An a lot into this.

1- Attention seeking:

I'm calling it "spotlight" seeking in here a lot, for An, attention=spotlight, being the one in a stage and being the focus.

We do know An likes attention, (especially of two people, which I'll talk about it later), she loves the attention her town gives her, and got upset when she felt it being taken away as she felt Kohane was stealing it (even when it wasn't, An also knew it was quite a stupid thing, but it doesn't invalidate her feelings).

She wants people to look at her, at school she can be considered popular, she's a hall monitor (i forgot the actual word) so we know the teachers like her enough, she does sports, she is at the very least known.

At vivid streets there's not even a need to mention, everyone knows her, everyone "adores" her, she feels loved, because she has that attention.

She also hates when she's just called Ken's daughter, yes there is good reason for that, but also it shines the spotlight on HIM, and not her.

2- "Favorite person"

I'm sorry to use the term i think it's bpd specific but I haven't seen a term used for hpd yet so I'm sticking with it here?

Anyways, An has two people she desires the attention of even more.

Nagi and Kohane.

Nagi is the person that made An follow music, she wanted Nagi's attention in that way, she wanted Nagi to look at her and share the spotlight with Nagi, and got devastated when finding out that Nagi can't do any of that anymore, she's still seeking that Nagi attention, just in a different way.

Kohane is.. a complicated story, she wants Kohane's eyes on her, and can even get jealous of the girl, but instead of sharing the spotlight, for a long time she felt fear that Kohane was going to steal the spotlight, leave An alone, without attention and without love. As of the new event she's getting better, she got the win (and the attention) and now she knows they can share, but i dont think that little thing will ever fully leave her head.

While she loves Kohane, she can't help but wish that was her.

Even more when Kohane looks a lot like Nagi in her singing style, which An wishes it was her.

3- Competitive.

That isnt exactly a trait, but it can work as one here, because if she wins a competition, she gets attention, right?

She will do something she's scared of, just to win, just for attention.

So she competes with Haruka on basketball, with Akito on who's the best singer, didn't even think of having him as a partner until the vivids and the bad dogs teamed up because for her, he was competition for the spotlight, for her attention.

But even then, she never felt like those two were really a threat.

And also this whole post is me projecting and going "An, babygirl, you have issues".

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Decided to create this blog to avoid spamming my main blog with neurodivergent-related things. Will regularly have cluster-b positivity/education/rants, but considering the other disorders I have, other neurodiverse things in general are likely to be present.

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Okay before I go into the ASPD thing, wanna do a quick summary of what I have so far:

Zeus/Jupiter: OCPD and Autism (based on being the god of law and order, and justice, as well as king of Olympus)

Poseidon: BPD and ASPD (based on the idea of a moody and volatile sea)

Neptune: SZPD and ASPD (based on the idea of an emotionless and uncaring sea)

Ares: IED and ASPD (self-explanatory)

Hades/Pluto and Thanatos/Mors: infertility, and, in rare cases, sterility (self-explanatory)

Hypnos/Somnus, Morpheus, and the Oneiroi/Somnia: Excessive daytime sleepiness, maladaptive daydreaming (self-explanatory, have also been thinking about STPD and DPDR)

Aphrodite/Venus and other similar deities: Hypersexuality, NPD, BPD and HPD (first one is self-explanatory, I'm still thinking about the other three and might do a separate post about them at some point, also considering Body Dysmorphia but I have to do some thinking on that one as well)

Hermes/Mercury: Kleptomania (self-explanatory)

Now! Onto the main point: propensity of Antisocial Personality Disorder in children of the sea and children of war.

First things first, please check out @neurosharky! He has a lot of good posts discussing his experience with ASPD, and I found them very helpful in framing understanding around the diagnostic criteria.

The DSM-5 describes, "Antisocial Personality Disorder is characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for consequences and for the rights of others." It can only be diagnosed in people 18 years and older, and patients must have evidence of a conduct disorder being present before 15. They must show three or more of the following symptoms:

Disregard of the law, typically indicates by repeatedly committing acts that are grounds for arrest

Being deceitful, indicated by lying repeatedly, using aliases, or conning other for personal gain or pleasure

Acting impulsively, or not planning ahead

Being easily provoked or aggressive, indicated by constantly getting into physical fights or assaulting others

Recklessly disregarding their safety or the safety of others

Consistently acting irresponsibly, indicated by quitting a job with no plans for another one or not paying bills

Not feeling remorse, indicated by indifference to or rationalization of hurting or mistreating others

(Side note: the diagnostic criteria is so... idk, something about the phrasing makes me laugh)

Personally, I don't think Percy has ASPD. From my interpretation of canon, I think he cares and thinks too much of people. Not to say that people with ASPD can't care or think of other people, but from a "disregards the rights of other people", I don't think Percy fits. He does rise to anger quickly, and doesn't think much of his own safety, imo, so there are traits there but that's likely more related to BPD.

Now - the ocean, Poseidon, Neptune, Amphitrite, other ocean gods out there, my beloveds, they can be angry uncaring beauties. As I've discussed before and mentioned above, in PJO canon, I interpret Poseidon as being representative of the moody, ever-changing sea, hence the BPD. He's clingy, demanding, quick to anger, volatile, emotional, dramatic.

In PJO, the Romans eschew the ocean, so Neptune, although we never see him in canon, comes across as the opposite. He's detached from society, doesn't care about the people who cross his waters, doesn't care if you live or die, little emotion, flat, bored - so SZPD.

Their destructive ways are different across these lines as well. Poseidon will drown you because you've pissed him off and Neptune will drown you because he doesn't care enough to save you, no matter how hard you pray.

How does ASPD play into this? Think about the commonalities in both representations of the ocean - it will kill you without thought. It is unapologetic. A moody ocean will hurt you, an uncaring ocean will hurt you. Another thing I've come across is that ASPD is a defense against being controlled. You can't control the ocean! It does what it wants, and fuck you for thinking you're in charge of the seas.

Additionally, in SZPD, while alexithymia is common, most people appear to feel anger much more strongly than other emotions. Which makes sense, imo, anger is a very strong emotion and easier, for me at least, to make sense of. In BPD and ASPD, being quick to anger is fairly common. BPD and ASPD share impulsivity as a symptom as well.

Low empathy and little to no emotion is also a shared trait in ASPD and SZPD, as well as a detachment from society. For SZPD, it typically appears as a detachment from emotional connection, relationships, and/or socialization. For ASPD, it's more of a detachment from social rules. People with SZPD are asocial, people with ASPD are... well, antisocial, lol. People often mistake the latter for the former, but asocial is a preference for solitude and antisocial is a disregard for the feelings and wellbeing of other people.

So that's the ocean. Some ideas of how the comorbidities may present:

Coral is a daughter of Neptune with extreme SZPD. She has little interest in societal rules, and little understanding of morality and ethics. However, she - as much as she can with her SZPD - cares for her mom, and thus does her best to follow the rules her mom has explained or laid out for her. She doesn't have much capacity for remorse or guilt, and will hurt people without much regard for them. However, she purposely avoids interacting with others and so rarely is the instigating cause.

Melpomene is a daughter of Neptune with more prominent ASPD traits and SZPD. She has less severe alexithymia, and is easily prone to anger. She doesn't start fights, but she doesn't back down from them. If you fuck with her, she'll fuck with you. She has a basic, albeit still small, sense of morality, but lacks a code of ethics and the motivation to adhere to it. She does not care about other people's safety and will abandon them to their doom. This overlaps with her SZPD because she finds emotional responses uncomfortable and stressful, so panic and distress in others turns her away. Her detachment from people leads her to lie and manipulate people, typically to make them go away (SZPD) or put them in harm's way for the fun of it , or as revenge due to seeing them as trying to control her (ASPD).

In a child of Poseidon with BPD traits, ASPD may present simultaneously with a fear of abandonment that causes them to react violently towards whatever or whoever they perceive is causing the abandonment. They may disregard that person's safety and rights in order to keep them close at hand (think kidnapping, or physical harm rendering them immobile and dependent). They can rationalize their actions away (I need you, you're not allowed leave me, etc etc). Splitting may provoke their anger issues. Intense emotional mood swings might cause them to instigate or pick fights, and impulsive behaviour can lead to breaking various laws and ignoring their own safety.

I don't think any personality disorder is mutually exclusive to one another. There might be some that are more uncommon to be comorbid with one another, but I've seen discussion that comorbidity between personality disorders (i.e. having more than one) is fairly common. And in doing research into various personality disorders, I've seen a lot of people say things like, "SZPD with OCPD traits" - situations where they don't meet the full qualification for the second personality disorder, those traits aren't intense enough to be considered considered/presumably, or the secondary traits appear to stem primarily from their initial personality disorder rather than being it's own thing. So there's that too.

So yeah, think of the ocean. The beautiful, uncontrollable, dangerous, salty ocean.

Now for Ares and his kids. I separate Ares from Mars because Mars is considered more disciplined than Ares, he was less of bloodlust god, more orderly and held in higher regard than his Greek counterpart, and I prefer to view him that way in PJO canon.

So IED (intermittent explosive disorder) and ASPD are fairly self-explanatory in regards to the god of war and bloodlust, a deity noted to personify brutality and savageness. But I'll detail some stuff anyway!

The first child of Ares we meet is Clarisse. And the first thing she does when we meet her is bully Percy. The second thing she, and other members of her cabin do, is try to injure him during the Capture the Flag game. Someone (Percy, I think, I don't have the book on hand) points out that they'll get trouble for hurting him and she just shrugs it off.

So that's: disregard of other people's safety, easily provoked, rationalizing away the mistreatment of others (he deserves it for humiliating her), acting impulsively and not planning ahead (did they think about what would happen if Percy were seriously injured as a new camper with minimal training? what if someone interrupted them before Percy blew up the river? what was the end goal to hurting him?), disregarding the camp rules

Now I think part of the reason ASPD is not diagnosed in people under 18 is because, like we see with Clarisse in canon, some people grow out of their behaviour. With her, and probably much of her cabin, their anger issues - which I believe is something they have a higher propensity for as well, and that they share it with their Roman half-siblings - causes them to bully and hurt others.

A lot of personality disorders develop from trauma, and we also know Clarisse was abused in some way by her dad (re: Sea of Monsters) so her reactions towards other people may stem from that. Before 18 their behaviour is typically diagnosed as a conduct disorder, to which I imagine treatment and intervention is attempted to hopefully avoid it continuing into ASPD by adulthood. According to some quick research, about 25% to 40% of children with a conduct disorder are typically diagnosed with ASPD in adulthood.

I think it would be really interesting if Clarisse didn't age out of her aggressive behaviour, and maintained ASPD traits into adulthood. I guess a neat concept would be Silena managing to sort of "soften" that side of her, and then, in BoTL, when she's caring for Chris, it's a moment of "I will be better for them". So she works hard to keep her traits at bay, because she wants to be a morally good person for these two people that she loves - even if she still is an amoral person.

It would be cool if she and Percy talked about it. I tend to view him as a fairly amoral person as well, ascribing to the moral view of the people he cares about (his mom, Grover, Annabeth). So maybe after a spar, she asks how it's so easy for him to be so stubborn about right or wrong and he's just, "Well, I love my mom and the idea of disappointing her fills me with a dread so intense I want to vomit and/or kill myself."

"Gods, that sounds like shit."

"Yeah, it's not the greatest."

"I can't imagine being afraid of disappointing someone. But... I guess I do like making Chris happy. He's got cute dimples, you know?"

"Focus on that. Would beating the shit out of some newbie punk make him happy? Would it show his dimples?"

"... probably not. Ugh. This shit is hard."

"But you can do it."

"Yeah, I fucking can. What, you think I'm a wimp? Can't tough out being a normal person for my boyfriend?"

"... Yes."

"I'm going to fucking kill you."

"Not if I kill you first."

So those are my thoughts on the propensity of developing ASPD or traits of ASPD in demigods. For Poseidon/Neptune, it represents the uncaring, angry, and remorseless nature of the ocean. For Ares, it represents the brutality and bloodthirstiness of war.

Again, if you have any thoughts on anything that you think the nature of certain gods may cause their kids to be predisposed to, feel free to hit me up with your thoughts! It's probably pretty obvious to the people who follow me (see my recent ramblings about the Roman trio and their dissociation and literally everything I've ever written about Jason being raised by wolves 😂), but I love analyzing shit like this!

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I’m asking this as an autistic person but why are low empathy and low compassion considered fine? Empathy and compassion mean just.. caring about things. Why are we saying that not caring about anyone or anything is normal? I experience empathy/mild hyperempathy and don’t understand how someone wouldn’t feel that way. Someone who doesn’t have empathy or compassion sounds like an asshole. Like how is that a symptom of a mental disorder/disability? That’s just a basic emotion? I don’t mean to sound rude but I’m seeing a lot of people get absolutely dragged for saying things as basic as ‘having empathy is good’ and I don’t get it.

first off, empathy and compassion are not simply 'caring about things'. let's compare sympathy, empathy, and compassion, three terms that are often confused with one another:

sympathy: feelings of pity for another person's misfortune

empathy: the ability to understand and share another person's feelings

compassion: similar to sympathy, but additionally implies that one has a desire to help the person they feel pity for

these are often linked (especially compassion, as it often follows empathy or sympathy) but are distinct. notably, none of them are just 'caring about things' and none of them are just 'a basic emotion'; these are specific reactions one has to situations they encounter, which can vary drastically based on a number of factors.

i'm going to primarily address low empathy after this, since low empathy is a recognized symptom of a number of disorders and it genuinely should be destigmatized.

empathy is literally experiencing the emotions one recognizes in another person. it's an uncontrollable, subconscious reaction to emotions the person picks up on around them. empathetic reactions can occur whether or not you care about another person, whether or not you know them personally, etc. essentially, empathy is 'being in a person's shoes' in the moment.

low empathy is a common symptom of a number of mental conditions. this is because many disorders affect how one navigates social interaction and interprets others' emotions. a person with low or no empathy can't simply choose to care about a person's feelings and suddenly experience empathy; they genuinely do not have the ability to feel what another person is feeling for whatever reason.

here are some neurodivergencies that can cause low empathy and how:

autism: autism causes social deficits, notably including the ability to read another person's body language. if an autistic person can't read a person's body language, that makes it much harder to figure out what emotions they're feeling at a given time, which is necessary to experience empathy.

cluster b personality disorders (aspd, bpd, hpd, npd): cluster b disorders often cause dysfunctional patterns of social behavior. these pds often affect one's self-image or ego and cause emotional disturbances, which both make it much harder to understand what another person is feeling and, in turn, feel those feelings.

trauma: any trauma-related disorder can cause low empathy. ptsd/cptsd, personality disorders, dissociative disorders, and more can affect one's empathy. trauma can, for example, cause a person to become highly focused on their own wellbeing in order to survive, which may result in a lack of empathy in typical social interaction. trauma can also cause high empathy (it seems trauma generally affects empathy for a lot of people).

alexithymia: alexithymia is the term for struggling to recognize and express emotions. this includes both one's own emotions and the emotions of those around them. alexithymia is a very common symptom of various disorders, especially neurodevelopmental disorders. according to current research, over half of all autistic people experience alexithymia, which just adds to the number of low/no empathy autistics.

traumatic brain injury: injuries to the parts of the brain that handle empathy, emotion, and social interaction can cause low empathy

as you can see, low empathy is much more common that one might assume. this is why people are criticized for implying that having low empathy is bad; low empathy is uncontrollable and a symptom of many disorders, which makes these statements either inherently or overtly ableist.

having low empathy doesn't automatically make you an asshole. your actions matter more than your internal experience; a person with low empathy may not be able to take on another person's feelings, but they can still help them in some way. it's the same for people with high empathy — experiencing another person's emotions along with them doesn't necessarily mean that you will be kind to them or offer them assistance.

importantly, a person with low/no empathy can still care about others or take actions that indicate care. you can experience sympathy and compassion without experiencing empathy (though you don't have to experience those, either, to be a good person). you don't have to be able to experience or understand another person's emotions to recognize that they're struggling.

this is a long post, sorry, but it's an important issue. being ableist is never okay, no matter how unpalatable you find the symptom.

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going to talk abt obey me and how they are all extremely neurodivergent!!! gonna go through my thoughts on each characters who stands out to me in one way or another.

Lucifer- he has NPD. dont even try to argue with me about this. from the way he holds himself to an extremely high standard to how hes LITERALLY the avatar of pride, hes just a total narc and I love him dearly. I also consider him to be autistic. half bcuz he shows some signs half bcuz I'm autistic and love projecting onto characters. I think that the way he is so strict and finds being on time so important is extremely autistic of him. he follows a very specific routine, and if said routine is messed with, he is unapproachable for atleast the rest of the day. this is shown in likee late lesson 24 or early lesson 25 I forget. he also has issues with emotions. both showing and I think even identifying them. autistic man. ALSO ptsd. duh.

mammon: adhd. he has adhd. he doesnt have npd, HOWEVER, he totally shows symptoms. he acts like hes on top of the world but the second a minor inconvenience happens he is just. reduced to nothing. I also like the hc of him being dyslexic.

levi: AUTISM AUTISM AUTISM!!! yeah that ones obvious like extremely obvious. stg autism runs into the family or smth cuz it feels like mammon and asmo are the only allistics in that mf house. dont need to explain why Levi is autistic. its obvious. if you really need an explanation just ask. but I also think he has severe social anxiety. like to the point that he gets extremely sick at the thought of social interaction. over the years, and with lots of trial and error medication, he can sort of deal with it now. still freaks him out though.

Satan: I think he takes after his father. like. A LOT. he is so npd and so autistic. I think that he really prides himself on his smarts but like. if he were to fail/get an average mark on a test (especially if lucifer got a high mark) he would disintegrate out of pure self hatred. if lucifer is better than him in any academic topic, you can practically feel the envy and rage coming from him. lucifer understands how he feels, and always tries to help him with his npd issues, but that just upsets him tenfold. "you think that *I* need *YOUR* help??? disgusting!". he has such issues I love him so much. not much to comment on his autism. also quite obvious, especially in nightbringer.

Asmo- I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE THINK ASMO HAS NPD AND LIKE I GET THE IDEA BUT NO. HE HAS HPD AND I WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL OVER THAT HC.

beel: autism. binge eating disorder. ptsd.

belphie: autism. BPD!!!!! B!! P!!! D!!!!!!!! I will scream it from the roof tops THAT MAN HAD BPD IDC WHAT YOU SAY!! impulsivity (especially when angry), unstable relations (mostly hc), uncontrolled anger, chronic emptiness (hc), self destructiveness, fear of abandonment. you look into the DSM-5 and there is a picture of him there. I think that. he might have PTSD too.

diavolo: autism. I dont care what anyone says I think he is an autistic woman who was just forced into masking. c-ptsd due to mainly emotional neglect.

solomon: autism. no canon reason to support this I'm just projecting. c-ptsd. he has very complicated feeling surrounding loneliness and abandonment due to his childhood.

simeon: autism. C-PTSD!!!!!!! I think that. there wasnt nessacarily anything that could generally be considered traumatizing. but a lot of things in his early days were extremely stressful for him. I think that hes always questioned the word of God just a bit. he made sure nobody ever found out, but he always had doubt within him. this has always eaten at him, as he is supposed to be an angel. Angel's do not doubt the word of their father,, so, why does he?

ermm okay I think that's. enough ranting for today...

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my dndads2 main pcs nd npcs lineup! left to right (mildly obvi) is linc, scary, normal, taylor, hermie, and dood!

zooms as well as minor details and headcanons downstairs.

LINCOLN

bisexual

mozambican

i themed him after purple because i relate grant to red and marco to blue!

i honestly don't quite have a reason for why i made his soccer number 15. i did google it though, and apparently, it indicates a major turn, as well as relationships and love. crazy how that shook out, huh?

he's autistic, special interest in soccer (ofc)

he's got a major crush on taylor!

favorite bands are tv girl, the cranberries, and of course, olivia rodrigo. also maybe taylor swift the woman not taylor swift not that one

SCARY

genderfluid lesbian, she/he/bat pronouns, oscilates wildly between high femme and stone butch in a way i find inspirational!

north indian!

of course themed her pink, it's her favorite color, gotta love it.

adhd girlie <33 as well as HPD. never seen a boy with more hpd than shes got!

cute little crush on erica. erica has one on her as well.

her favorite bands are type o negative, kittie, and evanescence

NORMAL

ambiguosly queer, and transmasc!!

mex/italian/irish, i just forgot to add that hes irish

i themed him brown because i consider his mom like. beige. and i think he takes a lot after his mom just a more saturated, extreme version imo.

of COURSE, hermie and dood crushes. gotta love it. hes polyamorous and disastrous and fighting for his life.

his favorite bands are all obviously, big band and school band versions of any song ever, one i can't write the name of because it's not got any kind of letters.

dependent personality disorder is just. GOD hes so dpd coded.

autistic with a teeny special interest, and adhd.

TAYLOR

intersex, also ambiguosly queer, nebulously trans.

chinese + native hawaiian (on his mum's side)

autistic, anime special interest, adhd and npd coded. my sweet sweet npd boy. its so obvious. hes got it. his dads got it. his granddads got it. his great granddads got it. if youre a streep/close/foster/swift boy then chances are you've got npd

i themed him orange just cause honestly? i was originally gonna go for red but i was gonna theme hermie all red and then i just didnt like that for him. taylor fucking swift (not that one) is orange coded and i cant explain why.

he also has a little nerdboy crush on linc theyre both terrible with it.

shocking nobody, weezer, viagra boys, and system of a down.

HERMIE

also intersex, and omnisexual

half chinese half scam

autistic with a theatre special interest.

crush on normal. hates that hes got it.

i themed him after grey because hes just all things merged to me in my soul. i nearly made him rainbow then almost threw up at the idea of coloring that.

his favorite bands...cor, i think i'd call him a listener of...gosh, david bowie, pansy division, and glass animals. also duh, musical theatre.

DOODLER

pansexual and agender

nebulously eldritch

audhd king

crush on normal...maybe baby platonic crushes on the others as well, but major romantic crush on normal

i themed him after white! i originally planned to build him as purple themed, then black themed, then screwed with him a light more, and ended up going into white and lovin it.

listens to everything, but his favorite bands are laughter, and music, and love

[entropy-sea-system]

whos ur fave octonaughts character :0!! if u have on ethat is

(also adding what mbti I think they r bc mbti is one of my current hyperfixations sort of!!)

When I first watched it (which was a decade ago now that I think abt it..) my fave was probably Peso tbh, I found him a bit relateable and cool I guess and good at reassuring and helping sea creatures! He reminds me of Fluttershy from mlp:fim INFP(?J). Also definitely autistic imo

I think I feel like an affinity towards Shellington bc he seems like me interest wise and a bit personality wise bc I rlly like biology and wanted to be a marine biologist for a bit when I was younger and he seems to infodump a lot and I do that abt similar interests!(there are many benefits to being a marine biologist /ref) INTP and also autistic and adhd

I find Kwazii to be the most entertaining character. He's always up to things and it feels like a lot of the comedy in the show is centered around him. Probably the character that was meant to have the audience's attention more. It's also kind of amusing how he's usually like fearless but extremely scared of the cryptids he claims exist(like Vampire Squid but his own idea of it before he meets the vampire squid). I think he contrasts with Peso, who's usually anxious but is seen overcoming fear or not being afraid when a sea creature needs help ENTP (some would say S but the way he sees cryptozoology and pirate stuff seems more N to me) adhd and perhaps HPD and/or NPD

Tweak is one of my favorite characters too, she's cool and it was fun to see her explain things about the gups, octopod, and other tech stuff! ISTP, also autistic + adhd

I think Inkling's also pretty cool and he reminds me of Bedtime Bear from utm a bit? I also relate to him bc like I guess I like knowing information even if Im like the used to read a lot, now only really reads fanfiction type and I may seem like him personality wise to some people INTP or INTJ, autistic

I also think Dashi is cool! Her interest in photography is cool and I relate to that and also I think needle arts (forgot though if she does that in canon or its a hc someone had tbh) which I also do a bit!! It's also cool how she does things efficiently (not relateable to me but still cool), probably a gaymer, hard for me to type bc I think idk she seems like a Normal type and Ice type in pokemon type personality thing, she seems INFJ or ISTJ, maybe INTP

I used to ship Tweak x Dashi (though it doesn't make sense in canon to me, only as speculation now) and Kwazii x Peso (similar but they interact a lot in canon and seem like foils to each other), and sort of Kwazii x Paani, those aren't really at the forefront of my mind when I think about octonauts now but like I'm plato repulsed so can only really stand thinking of characters as being partners or like just knowing each other exists/working together in a positive or neutral way?

Though Kwazii x Peso x Shellington I hadn't thought of until I saw some posts about it but I guess it reminds me of some of my partners even if I didn't see Shellington as having as many interactions w the other two in canon, But also the way I see shipping changed after realising Im aro and maybe also just as I got older so maybe I just don't have as much interest in canon x canon shipping now as I did a few years ago

Not really a character but I think the octopod's really cool!!! I always loved the design of it and it looks rlly cozy!! The gups are also very cool and I like how they're inspired by sea creatures! I like to think that Tweak maybe consulted Shellington for some sea creature inspired aspects of some of her inventions! Also. Like Kwazii often ending up w damage on the Gup-B totally reminds me of Funshine and the scooters in utm(especially in that comic!)

Favorite sea creature in it is probably siphonophore (I learned a lot of marine bio facts from the show tbh!!) and favorite phenomenon underwater brinesicle thing and the undersea vents r also cool!!

I still need to finish Octonauts Above and Beyond, I started it last year and it was p cool! Some of the octoagents have names that are noun names in other languages that fit the work they do and I thought that was cool too!! (Paani - water in Hindi - he's a hydrologist) (Professor Natquik - Inuit language - it has various dialects and Im not sure which one(s) have this word?- word for drifting snow/ice )

(-Rift)

[weareuniqueandimportant]

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[narcissisticpdcultureis]

im super sorry if this isnt the place to ask for advice but i wanted to know if it seems like i have npd or not (i do have bpd and hpd)

reasons why i might have it: it takes me a super long time to realize when i fucked up, i have daydreams of saving people and being a hero and being cooler than i am, i have main character syndrome /lh, when i'm hurting and other people are hurting i tend to center my pain even if they're hurting worse, my view of myself depends very heavily on what others think of me, i have dated no less than 3 people for the sole reason that they liked me/asked me out and i wanted to feel loved even if they werent really my type

reasons why i might not have it: at least every three days i have a big breakdown where i hate myself an incredible amount, i have high empathy which is likely because of autism

heyo! unfortunately i can't diagnose you or tell you if you have NPD or not, but i will say i do relate to some of what you've mentioned here (though tbf, i have BPD and HPD as well 😭.) it is also possible that the things you've listed here are due to your BPD and HPD. being in the same cluster BPD, HPD, and NPD absolutely can share traits among themselves and imo, the things you've listed here seem like they could be attributed to either your BPD or HPD.

if you still have concerns thoughs, it'd probably be best to look deeper into resources about NPD to see if you meet the criteria. i can link some posts that may be helpful:

this is a post that explains the diagnostic criteria of NPD, basically giving examples and elaborating on on what each symptoms means/how it can present. i will say this most likely isn't an exhaustive list and each symptoms can show up in different ways than listed in the post, but it's a good post for getting an idea of what the symptoms look like in action.

this is a checklist and basically elaboration of the diagnostic criteria. all the information in this checklist is things pulled from the DSM itself.

i also have a resources tag with other helpful things if you'd like to check that out!

i do also want to put out that while having no or low empathy is very common in people with NPD, it's not diagnostically required. the primary host of our system is an NPD symptoms holder and they actually had consistently very high empathy for the first around 13ish years of our life. things changed because of trauma and they now have more low or fluctuating empathy, but their high empathy at the time existed along side their NPD symptoms.

edit: i wanna make a little correction! sorry, it's been a sort of a long day and my dissociated ass seems to have forgotten what the critera says. so, from what i'm getting, a lack of empathy is in the criteria, but i will say it's still possible to have high or average empathy with NPD. you only need to meet 5 of the 9 criteria to be diagnosed and you may just not fit that criteria while fitting the others.

[violentviolette]

hi jack! can you elaborate more on your idea of npd and hpd being possible subtypes of c-ptsd? I've gone on online forums wherein people with C-PTSD report questioning if they have NPD, and a lot of people asking for the key differences between the two disorders.

in my opinion i dont think there are key diferences and i think the reason theres so much overlap and confusion there is precisely why npd should be classified as a c-ptsd subtype my logic and thought process is basically that c-ptsd is what happens when people are abused for prolonged periods of time, but theres so many different factors that go into abuse and our responses to it that make things look differently for people. so then, depending on the differences of various factors, the specific ways that c-ptsd will manifest in someone would make up the subtypes. so for example, if someone is abused for a prolonged period of time during and throughout early childhood into adulthood, in specific ways where their self worth becomes dependant on outside factors and they rely on overcompensating through a delusional sense of self worth, ect. then that means that persons c-ptsd symptoms will manifest as what we think of as npd whereas if someone is abused for a prolonged period of time and there is a heavy sexual component to the abuse, either sa or grooming, or things like that, that persons c-ptsd is more likely to manifest like hpd with things like hypersexuality and using sex and sexual appeal as a maladaptive coping mechanism

because npd and hpd cannot manifest without abuse. they are at their core, an abuse response. and all of their symptoms are caused by abuse, there are no npd or hpd syptoms that would exist without the abuse. this is what i think sets it apart from aspd and bpd. aspd and bpd each contain unique nuerological symptoms that can and do manifest without abuse. aspd's lack of empathy and bpd's rapid mood cycling and hypomania. both of those symptoms, while they can absolutely be caused by abuse, can also be rooted in nuerological differences that can manifest naturally. autism and bipolar disorder, both purely nuerological with zero environmental causes, are examples of this so since the symptoms of npd and hpd cannot exist without prolonged psychological abuse usually starting in early childhood and throughout development, that means it cannot exist without c-ptsd. because there's no going through that without developing c-ptsd, there is no way to abuse someone for a prolonged period of time starting in childhood and have them be perfectly mentally healthy and not develop some form of ptsd. so since they cannot exist without c-ptsd, i feel like it would make more sense and be easier to treat when viewed through that lense i think people would have a much better and more successful time in treatment if npd and hpd were looked at trauma first, if they were classified first and foremost as abuse responses, as a specific presentation of cptsd. then recovery can begin from a place of healing, which is overwhelmingly the more successful approach in helping people with cluster b disorders

and while i do think aspd and bpd would also benifit from that kind of treatment and being looked at in that light, i think those disorders, specifically because of their persistent and lifelong nuerological/non-trauma related symptoms, require a more complex and multi-pronged approach

so thats my thought process and like i said, im sure im wrong about certain things or missing information and theres always the chance new research will come out that will better our understanding and change my thoughts on this, but this is where im at currently

[npdmonoma]

I can relate to almost all of that but it seems like it really sucks I'm sorry :(

People seem to really be mean about NPD.

Why do you think society is such a dick about it and even more closed minded to learning about it then other cluster b disorders or just mental health issues in general?

Thank you.

I don't think it's accurate to say that people are worse about NPD than other cluster B PDs. Searching for information on ASPD, BPD, or HPD is going to get you the same sort of "these people are awful and will ruin your life" articles as NPD. The specifics will vary, for example people with ASPD are more frequently stereotyped as murderers, but they all get some version of this rhetoric. And it always comes up more or less immediately upon searching out any information on them.

When it comes to why ableism against PDs looks the way it does, in comparison to other mental illnesses, I think that goes back to psychiatry. The institution of psychiatry creates and defines mental health diagnoses, and provides the foundation for how laypeople understand them. The understanding that psychiatry has about PDs is that they're permanent, that no matter how hard we try we can never recover. The less charitable ones will insist that we don't even want to get better. The decade I spent in therapy would beg to differ. They also tend to focus on the aspects of mental illness that affect other people rather than the person suffering, so people who have PDs but don't have more externally visible symptoms get swept under the rug. And if the signs your therapist is looking for boil down to "is my client a bad person?" only the shitty people with PDs get diagnosed, and that just reinforces the idea that we're all terrible people.

There are countless examples of therapists refusing to take on clients with PDs, either specific ones or all of them. BPD in particular is one that I've seen therapists be openly and publicly shocked at the idea of any therapist being willing to take on a client with that diagnosis. And then they have the nerve to wonder why we don't recover.

When even the people who are supposedly trained and certified to understand and help us are treating us like irredeemable monsters, it's no wonder that contempt has bled out into the general public. Especially with social media and the rise of therapist influencers, the biases within the field aren't staying contained. Just search NPD or another cluster B PD into tiktok's search bar and scroll for a few minutes, I guarantee you'll find therapists spreading this exact damaging stigma.

Obviously every mental illness is stigmatized, but I think the reason why some are still treated as evil by even those who consider themselves mental health advocates is largely due to respectability politics. People feel the need to separate themselves from the "real crazies" in order to appeal to the mainstream in hopes of gaining their approval. But respectability politics have never worked, and they never will. Anyone who calls themselves a mental health advocate while dismissing or degrading people with PDs/psychosis/DID/etc is lying. You can't fight ableism selectively, it doesn't work like that.

I'll get off my soapbox now, but I hope this gave you some things to think about

[histrionicfit]

Have you ever desired that something terrible happened to you in order to get attention? For example, getting hit by a car, breaking a leg, being raped, having someone you love die... At the very least, be sick.

Sometimes, something bad happens to me, and, even if I'm feeling bad about it, I'm happy because there's something I can talk about, and I know people will pay attention and ask questions. Oh, but sometimes, before I can talk, the specific person I was going to talk to, says that something way worse happened to them. It's like, I want to feel bad for you, and I know you're feeling down, but it was my moment, and I wouldn't feel like complaining after the other person complained after something worse:(

- ☣️

damn did you read my mind? i was actually thinking of making a post on this exact topic!!

and the answer to your question is yes. i actually spend an excessive amount of time fantasizing about being harmed, because of the attention it would lead to. i was actually thinking about this in comparison to the NPD criteria of fantasizing about power/money/love/etc. i wonder if fantasizing about situations that get you attention is common enough to possibly be a criteria in itself for HPD?

i can also very much relate to the second part!! i frequently will even *make* bad things happen to me, just so i can get attention from it. so getting ready to share it with someone, only for them to share something worse feels terrible. i know this is a very unhealthy way of looking at it, but it almost feels like they one-upped me

[starrywill]

Hello this may be awkward but I’m trying to inform myself on the personality disorders so I better understand it! Could you maybe give some stuff about how you deal with it?/nf

Hopefully this isn’t awkward

This is such a strange ask on multiple levels. On one hand, I want to be nice, as you're clearly asking in good faith, but on the other hand, I'm not an expert or therapist and I don't have anything but my personal experiences to go off of. Of course, I also don't owe you, a stranger, anything, but I'm feeling nice, so I will give you a basic and then much more personal rundown, regardless.

First, there are three different clusters of personality disorders: A, which includes:

Paranoid personality disorder (PPD)

Schizoid personality disorder (SPD)

Schizotypal personality disorder (STPD)

B, which includes:

Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD)

Borderline personality disorder (BPD)

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD)

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)

C, which includes:

Avoidant personality disorder (AVPD)

Dependent personality disorder (DPD)

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (OCDPD, not to be confused with OCD)

It's best to do your own research on any and all disorders you wish to learn about, as describing each is not my place, is frankly a lot to handle, and is much easier than reaching out to strangers online, especially those who only fit within a single cluster. I have HPD and BPD personally, so I fall within cluster B, as do... all of our headmates, because that's usually how the brain works, although every system has the capacity to be different in many, often surprising ways. HPD is often characterized by:

Constantly seeking attention

Excessively emotional, dramatic, or sexually provocative to gain attention

Speaks dramatically with strong opinions, but few facts or details to back them up

Easily influenced by others

Shallow, rapidly changing emotions

Excessive concern with physical appearance

Thinks relationships with others are closer than they really are

while BPD is often characterized by:

Impulsive and risky behavior, such as having unsafe sex, gambling, or binge eating

Unstable or fragile self-image

Unstable and intense relationships

Up and down moods, often as a reaction to interpersonal stress

Suicidal behavior or threats of self-injury

Intense fear of being alone or abandoned

Ongoing feelings of emptiness

Frequent, intense displays of anger

Stress-related paranoia that comes and goes

We actually fit with all of these descriptors perfectly, though you don't need to fit with all of them, or at least outwardly express all of these traits to have these. The same goes for any other personality disorder, mental illness, deficit, disorder, and the like. You also cannot be diagnosed if the symptoms you're experiencing aren't an active detriment to your life, as in keeping you from doing school or holding a job, or generally being adequately distressing to go through on a fairly often basis. This, again, goes for any mental illness, deficits, disorders, and the like. The biggest way we have to deal with BPD and HPD is through mood stabilizers. Sometimes we can semi-voluntarily shut down our emotions, like refreshing a page, but when we do feel emotions, we feel them hard. It hits you all at once like a bullet train and it hurts, even if it's a good emotion. You feel as if you're stuck that way, and you forget that this, too, shall pass. You feel like you're going to feel that way forever. And then, lo and behold, you don't. You've grayed so many hairs, and for what? How stupid must you be to have a breakdown because you can't figure out how to tie a tie? That's how it feels. It feels like the world is going to end and you just want love and validation but you also want to scream and cry and rip everything to shreds. We've learned to keep suicidal thoughts, feelings, and ideations to ourselves because we know they'll be gone right after we calm down. We've learned to not threaten suicide. We're obsessed with the relationships we have now, and that can come to our detriment because we have to bottle up mentions of suicidal behavior, so as not to harm someone very dear to us, who happens to be traumatized by that same behavior from an ex. I impulsively stabbed my pillow the other night in frustration. Twice. A pillow we love and hold onto very tight every night. Things are hard. Without our mood stabilizers, they could be much harder. Without them, our "obsession" turns into a pure, volatile kind of obsession. We have a "yandere" blog to log these feelings in a healthy way now. Things suck. But they could suck so much worse. And I'm glad to not only have found love (you should research "favorite person" or "fp" a common symptom in those with BPD. Others in cluster B have similar titles for their person or people of choice, however, as far as I can tell, they are community terms with little to no posts anywhere online about them specifically, let alone medical and/or scientific papers mentioning it), but I'm glad to have all these people for me. Even if we need exorbitant amounts of attention. Even if we get overly emotional over very small things. Even when we get paranoid and need constant reassurance You, nor anyone who thinks these thoughts or feels these ways are broken, and there's no such thing as a thought crime. You're as good of a person as you want to be, though that's no excuse for choosing not to improve, of course. ...That's a weird thing for an old child murderer to say, ha! Of course, I'm no longer that man, but it's still humorous to me, nonetheless.

I hope any of this helps at all. Keep in mind that this is all very much a personal account, and, as such, it might not apply to others... Although I hope it does in some way, otherwise that would be strange.

[healingwgabs]

"hot take": im a cluster b abolitionist, these are mainly the reasons why (a rant/vent)

Whatever elite niche group of doctors who grouped the most sensitive people on the planet (ppl w BPD) in creating the DSM 5 from the DSM 4 and placed them in the same community as those with anti-social personality disorder (psychopaths, sociopaths), narcissists, and histrionics (the creation of "cluster b")... ppl who, for the most part, are clinically incapable of genuinely caring if they live or die or protect them, exp consequences... This was not done with the safety and welfare of those with BPD in mind, who suffer more (as part of the nature of their etiology)

These are groups of ppl who are frequently trauma bonded and when paired, create some of the most toxic, dangerous, life-threatening and abusive rs dynamics (mainly for those w BPD and for children if they are involved). Seeking and wanting community is very much part of human nature and id argue a basic human need, the creation of "cluster b" is dangerous!!!!

Let alone BPD is the mental illness/personality disorder with the highest rate of trauma/abuse compared to any other mental disorder, most likely at the hands of the other disorders that they are placed in the SAME COMMUNITY AS! Trauma-induced BPD is the most common form of BPD, and many of those with BPD suffered parental (narcissistic, psychopathic abuse in their upbringing), which led to them having it in the first place. Also, many later end up in rs's with narcissists or with those with ASPD and suffer abuse in those rs's. ITS SO WRONG!!!!

As someone with empathy, I feel the level of subjective distress, impairment, dysfunction, and danger to self that BPD causes to those suffering from it (once activated). It is characterized as one of the most painful illnesses to have. NPD, ASPD, and HPD are not disorders that carry much subjective distress, impairment, or dysfunction (they thrive in our society!! and are likely responsible for destroying it and for the harm that occurs in it). These are the disorders that cause more distress to the ppl around them (macro: in gov, business, it will kill us, and in the interpersonal rs's).

I 100% feel for the trauma that led to the creation of NPD, ASPD, and HPD and I feel they deserve trauma-informed care/therapy for the things that led to the etiology. Still, I don't feel for the presentation of these disorders (not a lot of subjective distress, but mainly for those who interact with them). NPD and ASPD are not shown to have good treatment outcomes (Aspd being shown to be treatment resistant). Stigma is another reason. Those with ASPD and NPD SHOULD be approached with a level of caution.... placing those with BPD in the same category as those with NPD, ASPD is LITERALLY SO WRONG. One of the criteria for ASPD (part of the etiology) is (deceiving ppl) and part of the criteria for NPD (exploiting others for personal gain). These are symptom criteria that are, in their nature, harmful to others!!!! There are also no shared symptoms, this is wrong, and unjust imo and something I hope changes in the next version of the DSM, this would feel like justice for the BPD community. Love bombing differs from the "intense rs that alternate from idealization and devaluation" symptom found in BPD. One is grounded in manipulation and control, whereas the bpd symptom isn't. as someone who suffered from schizophrenic/psychotic traits and also bpd stress-related paranoia in the mix of it all, I could argue BPD is like schizophrenia or any other disorder that exp psychotic symptoms (from the stress-related paranoia symptom alone), it has a lot in common with mood disorders than other personality disorders ie. depression (chronic feelings of emptiness, suicidal ideation, threats, gestures, self-harm, anger, irritability-hate to talk about in this way), anxiety disorders (intense episodic dysphoria symptom, which includes anxiety), it does not make logical sense to me but it is also WRONG (UNETHICAL, HARMFUL, STIGMATIZING) UGHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡