Jason: the Batfam member I see most as my brother is Tim
Dick: What!!! That's no fair, I should be your brotherly-ist brother!
Dick: No offense Timmy.
Dick, turning back to Jason: But I am the one who has been your brother longest, I helped you kill that druglord, I even gave you some of my cookie dough last week!
Bruce: uhhh, back to the druglord thing-
Steph: You shared your cookie dough with him!
Jason: Sorry Dick, but there is one thing that makes you brothers more than anything else, not blood, or time, but...
Jason and Tim at the same time: Contempt
Jason: I have contempt for Tim, like all siblings should. Really the only thing I love more than hating Tim is shit talking other people with Tim. That form of contempt is how siblings bond and I will just say, surprisingly I love bonding with Tim even more than I love terrorizing Tim
Tim: aww, I didn't know we were that close
Jason, panicking cause he doesn't wanna ruin their dynamic: *punches Tim in the gut and runs out*
Tim, shouting after him: You can't take it back now, you ass
Jason: *turns around while running to give Tim the middle finger*
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To prove to Jason that Bruce replaced him, Talia hacks a CCTV livefeed of Batman with his new Robin. But she mildly fucked up.
Because it's also got audio, and it's very clearly catching Bruce telling the new Robin that he doesn't need a Robin, and that the kid needs to go the fuck home.
It catches the new Robin do something completely unhinged in response to that, along the lines of solving a case right then and there to prove a point, and then jumping through a window into a gunfight before Bruce has even processed what he said.
"I mean," Jason starts tentatively, looking very Concerned, "At least that's one way to make sure the kid doesn't get himself killed, if he's got a minder."
The plan backfires, spectacularly.
Now Jason is concerned about this new Robin, and keeps filling Damian's head with ideas.
Ideas like Damian needs to force Drake to go to bed, Damian should help Jason make sure Drake eats more, Damian should help Batman hide trackers on Drake, Damian should get an adult if it looks like Drake is about to do something stupid.
Basically, instead of clearing the path for Damian to take the mantle of Robin, Damian is instead being taught to care for Drake like one would a domesticated wild animal.
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as yr favorite local jason todd fan sometimes i get so fed up with the apparent inability of most dc comic writers to write a class conscious narrative about him.
and yes, i know that comics are a very ephemeral and constantly evolving and self-conflicting medium.
and yes, i know they’re a profit-driven art medium created in a capitalistic society, so there are very few times where comics are going to be created solely out of the desire to authentically and carefully and deliberately represent a character and take them from one emotional narrative place to another, because dc cares about profit and sometimes playing it safe is what sells.
and yes, i know comics and other forms of art reflect and recreate the society within which they were conceived as ideas, and so the dominant societal ideas about gender and race and class and so on are going to be recreated within comics (and/or will be responded to, if the writer is particularly societally conscious).
but jesus christ. you (the writer/writers) have a working class character who has been homeless, who has lost multiple parents, who has been in close proximity to someone struggling with addiction, who has had to steal to survive, who may have (depending on your reading of several different moments across different comics created by different people) been a victim of csa, who has clearly (subtextually) struggled with his mental health, who was a victim of a violent murder, and who has an entirely distinct and unique perspective on justice that has evolved based on his lived experiences.
and instead of delving into any of that, or examining the myriad of ways that classism in the writers’ room and the editors’ room and the readers’ heads affected jason’s character to make sure you’re writing him responsibly, or giving him a plotline where his views on what justice looks like are challenged by another working class character, or allowing him to demonstrate actual autonomy and agency in deciding what relationships he wants to have with people who he loves but sees as having failed him in different ways, or thinking carefully about what his having chosen an alias that once belonged to his murderer says about his decision-making and motivations, you keep him stuck in a loop of going by the red hood, addressing crime by occupying a position of relative power that perpetuates crime & harm rather than ever getting at the root causes, and seesawing between a) agreeing with his adoptive family entirely about fighting nonlethally in ways that are often inconsistent with his apparent motivations or b) disagreeing and experiencing unnecessarily brutal and violent reactions from his adoptive father as if that kind of violence isn’t the kind of thing he experienced as a child and something bruce himself is trying to prevent jason from perpetuating. because a comic with red hood, quips, high stakes, and familial drama sells.
it doesn’t matter if it keeps jason trapped, torn between an unanswered moral and philosophical question, a collection of identities that no longer fit him, and a family that accepts him circumstantially. it doesn’t matter if jason’s characterization is so utterly inconsistent that the only way to mesh it together is to piece different aspects of different titles and plotlines together like a jigsaw. it doesn’t matter if you do a disservice to his character, because in the end you don’t want to transform him or even understand him deeply enough to identify what makes him compelling and focus on that.
and i love jason!!!!! i love him. and i think about the stories we could have, if quality and art and doing justice to the character were prioritized as much as selling a title and having a dark and brooding batfam member besides bruce just to be the black sheep character are prioritized. and i just get a little sad.
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So question, sorry if youve answered this before I haven't seen it in your FAQ. Ive been reading through some Jason centered comics but want to know which ones you think capture his character best. It seems like you have strong opinions on his character and I'd like to see which comics of his best represent him!
depends which Jason we're talking about but if we're focusing on red hood Jason I prefer when he's written by Winnick so that's mostly under the red hood and losts days and then not all but some of batman and robin (I can't remember off the top of my head if it's 2009 or the 2011 run but one of those two)
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unrelated to that rb but im thinking about it and i dont think piper liking jason was ever a forced heteronormativity thing i think she genuinely liked him
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fun fact about me i am head over heels in love with ms dana gilbert. also red for ed hitmy state really hard so this was the first prime force idea that presented itself to me
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jason grace should’ve been given more connections at camp jupiter
give me jason who was half raised by older legionnaires and spends half of his weekends visiting these twenty something year olds who have known him and loved him since he was a toddler and who are just a few years out of university themselves but who have watched him grow up and love him like a younger brother
give me jason who had friends that he quested with that desperately missed him when he vanished, fifth cohort members who talked about their leader and their friend and how all they wanted was his safety and who could barely put their heart into war games not because they’d lose without him but because they can’t remember the last time they’d gone onto the battlefield without him wishing them luck
give me jason who was desperately close with reyna to the point where it was almost codependence, who ran camp jupiter at her side yet could be a child when they were alone even through the mountains of responsibility and paperwork
give me the jason that hazel talks about, the jason that welcomed her to camp and fiercely defended her against every judgement, ignoring every opinion towards her but his own and introducing her to this new word with a gentle, even voice
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GUYS HELP A JEDI!BATFAM AU SNUCK INTO MY HOUSE AND KICKED THE SHIT OUT OF ME LAST NIGHT
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“This isn't real,” Nico croaks.
Oh, Jason thinks. They’re trapped. In a small, dark space. And they have no idea why.
For Nico, it’s not the first time.
fill for the "forced proximity" prompt for @jasico-challenges bingo :)
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unpopular opinion?? maybe?
Matt & Ivy have a really interesting dynamic!! both pre- and post-canon!! with or without romantic undertones!! either reciprocal or one-sided!!
and obviously it has to be handled with a particular level of care/respect BUT I think if we allowed them enough grace there is space to explore a really interesting possibility for that relationship.
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I'm definitely not a cis chick because most of them i've met scream and moan and throw up over fanons of male villains that turn them into hyperdominant manly men who're almost never nice to their s/os while whenever i see that content i'm just like 'Who the fuck is this incel and why did replace my husband with him????Bring him back!!!!'
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A young Peter Wyngarde guests as journalist Andrea Bakolas (a fictionalised version of the real Gregorios Staktopoulos) in Overseas Press Club - Exclusive!: The George Polk Case (1.9, ABPC, 1957)
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so so so interesting to me how ppl gauge alternate worlds and its reflections on a character on that scale of morally good versus evil...
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I headcannon that Ms G crochets- She used to make Jason jumpers/sweaters so he'd stop stealing her own ones. And also she makes Harlem little crochet scrunchies and stuff, and tiny little crochet animals that she gives to all her friends bc she used to make them for her students when she was a teacher.
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Wait I’ve seen this mentioned before + I just remembered that yasmin putri robins cover, but what’s opinion on Jason wielding a tyre iron instead?
-team anti crowbar
Several people have mentioned this and I personally agree that it would be a really iconic weapon and way more interesting for his character then the stupid crowbar - tyre iron would also be more of a dig at Bruce considering Jason first used a tyre iron against him when they first met I don't think Bruce is even aware Jason was beaten up by a crowbar
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If they rewrite HOO, they better actually make Jason a fighter and not spend every fight unconscious. I was told he was a child of Jupiter (and thus extremely powerful) and fought Krios and was the one to send Krios back to Tartarus, the show better back that up since the books sure didn’t.
Plus, keep Percy powerful when it comes to HOO, I want the kid who summoned a hurricane and made a volcano erupt to stay once HOO rolls around. He’s powerful in SON and HOO, but he legit got his sword knocked out of his hand immediately by Chysaor (he fights Ares at 12, but Chrysaor was too much)
Idk I don’t mind Percy being beat by Khrysaor, like Khrysaor has a lot of practical experience and wasn’t being mind controlled/influenced like Ares was. Khrysaor lived and breathed fighting on boats, this was his field. I wish Percy had put up a bit more of a fight and then had his clever trick, but I don’t mind him losing there. But also I want him to kick ass too with other stuff (I’m more bitter about the nymphs scene than the Khrysaor scene).
I don’t mind Jason not being a powerful fighter, but I’m biased :P
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