#LIKE EWWW!!!! YOU ARE OVER TWICE MY AGE !!!! I TOLD YOU I WAS BASICALLY A VIRGIN!!!!! AHHHHH !!! I WANT TO RIP OUT MY HAIR AND FIGHT EVERY

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Disgusted disgusted disgusted !!!!!!

[elflady]

I’ve never seen a different production of angels other than bits of nt live and I saw the broadway revival twice. I’ve seen clips of the original and some of the miniseries. I’m curious whether you think it was James’s performance specifically that humanized Louis more. I felt like it took me seeing it twice to actually honestly love Louis with all his flaws (I loved him briefly the first time then kind of hated him bc I felt I had to due to his actions) anyway do you feel like james (1/?)

played him more sympathetic than others or it’s the actual experience of seeing Louis on stage crying through his lines. You mentioned you had a lot more sympathy for him esp in the fuck you im a prophet scene after seeing it live than just reading it. Not sure how coherent this is I just want to talk about angels forever (2/2)

See, I’m not sure if it was more me or James, because something that really impacts my experience of the play is the fact that I was still just a kid when I first saw and read Angels in America... I was in 8th grade, so around 13 years old I believe... and so, basically, it was just more than I could comprehend at the time, just the fact of the matter is you generally have more simplistic interpretations of things at age 13, and over the years I think I did build a more nuanced understanding of the play, but at that time my instinct was “Louis is a despicable human and I hate him” and I stuck with that. Sure, I loved some of his dialogue and his scenes, and I did enjoy watching him as a character, and I especially did love his early scenes with Prior, but my interpretation of him was firmly rooted in that immediate disdain for him.

I remember watching the HBO series with my college friends in 2016-2017 (so I was 21), and having some more sympathy for Louis than I had previously, and seeing some aspects of his character I hadn’t before, but still I had held onto that total hatred for him for so long, my view of him was still mostly entrenched in that. Like I remember my friend saying she loved Louis and Joe and me being like “WHAT THE FUCK?????!!!!!!!!!”

Fast forward to February 2018, seeing James in previews, and just being blown away by how my instinct wasn’t to hate him... perhaps part of that was seeing him as a literal actual living and breathing and crying human being, perhaps part was James’ performance, which I think just... he made so clear why he was doing all of the shitty things he was doing, and I could see people I knew in him, and I could clearly see his motivations, and HIS LOVE FOR PRIOR!!!! THAT IS SO SO SO KEY!!!!! Because Louis is such a self-absorbed person, and the text doesn’t really give much of him actually caring for Prior, it’s easy to just read him as only caring about himself, especially when you add in his relationship with Joe and how he doesn’t even care enough to ask about his life. But then James just... SO VISIBLY WORSHIPS PRIOR AND WANTS HIM TO BE OKAY AND JUST WANTS HIM!!!! That for me it just... made me really fall into his perspective for the first time... maybe because I love Prior so much and always have, so I was able to understand him from that part of him... To put it simply, it’s not so much that he’s just like “ewww bodies and death and shit and blood and abscesses I don’t want to have to deal with this it’s too hard” it’s more like “Prior’s beautiful body is full of death and shit and blood and abscesses and that is so wrong and I cannot handle that and if I have to watch him die I too am going to die” which is still very selfish, but for me so much more understandable and less completely... despicable.

Another aspect I think James really played up was how much he was missing Prior when he was away from him, like there is some stuff there in the text but it’s very sparse, and often I think can read as more like self-hatred, like “oh I should wish I was with Prior but really I’m glad I don’t have to deal with that” but instead you could really see how torn up James was, in that he wanted to be with Prior but he really physically could not bring himself to see him on death’s door... I think @tomwingfields told me he saw James’ Louis as being so pitiful, which initially made him dislike him, but for me I think that really made me actually feel for him more... his fits of weeping and just generally seeming always to be on the verge of a meltdown, it made me believe that truly being away from Prior was viscerally painful for him, and not just because he thought it should be painful. Like, he still brought out that “it’s like the idea of love when you do it” aspect of Louis, but at the same time... you still knew he actually did love Prior and not just the idea of Prior...

But yeah, I think overall, for some people they instantly feel for him, perhaps because they really identify with him ahem @godlessondheimite, but for others it takes some time to overcome the initial hatred of the awful things he does, to actually sympathizing with him despite the flaws, like you said it took you seeing it twice to feel for him.

Also, perhaps just as important as Louis truly loving Prior was how much Andrew’s Prior loves Louis!!!! Because it can be so hard to see “why does Prior even care what Louis does, he’s obviously the worst human and not a good partner and how could such an amazing and strong person like Prior be with Louis for so long???” but then Andrew’s Prior comes along and is so obviously in love with Louis, and that makes it easier to like Louis yourself, because if Prior loves him there must be a reason!!! Though obviously, sometimes there’s not, love makes no sense, etc. etc. But I think that really helped make me love Louis too, and see him as more of a real person, because Andrew seemed to love him as a real person too, even after all of his awfulness you can see they are still drawn to each other, he’s still jealous of Joe, he still agrees to meet Louis in the fuck you I’m a prophet scene, even though he obviously knows it’s a horrible idea!!!! And he’s even willing to hear him give reasons to come back!!! Which is so heartbreaking!!!! Like, before I always thought “it must be so so lonely to wait to die in bed alone,” but in their version of this scene it’s so obvious that Prior really actually wants Louis beside him, even after rejecting him in the hospital scene!!!!

And even though later, when he realizes he doesn’t need Louis with him, and tells him he can’t come back... even then, you can see how much they still love each other in such a real way... IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART!!!! AND I FEEL FOR BOTH OF THEM!!!! AND THEN!!! In the EPILOGUE!!!! They both are still looking at each other with such adoration... that just... is the icing on the cake!!!! Even after not being together for 5 years, they still love each other so much!!!! And that, I can relate to!!!! And that makes me love Louis!!!! Because even though they didn’t turn back to what they had before and Prior didn’t miraculously get better and Louis didn’t get what he wanted and the world didn’t turn back into his set way of seeing things, he’s still standing by Prior!!! And adoring him!!!!

Oh man, this is so incoherent, sorry!!! I don’t think I fully articulated all of him opinions on this, but I feel I will probably make many more posts on this topic... especially in my notes from the final performances! Which I’m working on!

[woodsyboxingandlife]

Roy Moore Is a P.O.S.

This Roy Moore character, I won’t even call him “Judge” because for lord’s sake, he was tossed from his seat, on two occasions, his case and how the public at large isn’t responding to the piling on of allegations, on the record, against him, is raising my BP.

This Moore clown…no, that’s too kind, too benevolent a characterization of an apparet predator…

This Moore fella is now running for a Senate seat representing the citizens of Alabama, sweet home to about 4.8 million people, too many of whom feel, polling tells us, that they don’t see Roy Moore as being anything other than deserving of the Senate seat given up by the current Attorney General, Jefferson Sessions.

They don’t see him as I do…which as a piece of shit. OK, I’m going with that one…harsh, reserved for the truly deserving…piece of shit.

Ouch, harsh Woods, some who have stumbled onto this, thinking I am writing about the latest great white hope in the heavyweight division or what have you. Nah, if you haven’t heard or read, this guy Roy Moore, who was a judge and then a DA in Bama, has a high regard of himself, to the point that he thinks he’d make a fine Senator. He is heading towards a place where he’s going to be the only one seeing himself as Senate material, as a continuing stream of allegations, and first-person publicly delivered accusations by women that declare that Moore, a grown man, engaged in at best unseemly and at worst straight-on sex assault of young ladies, if we are being politically correct, “girls,” some of them, if we are not, dribble out. One or two a day, now…

Five ladies, it was reported, said that Moore, who was bumped from his spot as Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court after two years because of overt religiosity, a refusal to respect the separation of church and state, was a super creep.  But he still had that high assessment of self—he twice attempted to win the Governor job, and was rebuffed in the primaries. He got a second chance as Chief Justice in 2013 but again fumbled, after three years, showing blatant bigotry towards gays, by enforcing a state ban on same-sex marriage, which the Supreme Court invalidated.

So, if you are boiling it down, Moore finds it unlawful for two men to marry—but now a steady stream of ladies have come forward to relay that the man, now 70, was in decades past fast and loose with his own conduct. Moore, in the days following the allegations storm, admitted he’d date teens when he was in his 30s. They were over 16, he stated. Ewww, came the calls from a dare say a strong majority of decent minded beings, though many in and outside Alabama were dismayed when polling showed a devoted flock wouldn’t stray from their man Moore. These pro Moore stalwarts looked down on the aggrieved women who’d been harassed and seduced and/or molested by Moore back in the day, and said their sharing of the misconducts was nothing more than conspiracy politics, smear tactics by persons who apparently just deemed him such a titan of righteousness and political acumen that they decided he’d need to be character assasinated to remove him from the playing field.

So, to this point, people who’ve accused Moore of misconduct are painted, basically, as Hillary Clinton supporting Libtards. They’ve been dismissed and discounted, critiqued by Moore defenders who try to sound like Columbo when they say they find it strange that they are crying as they relay a story from 30 years ago. As if to say, how could being molested decades ago really, truly, actually bother someone so much today. You will not be surprised to know that most of the defenders are men, and painting themselves as being empathically deficient at best. And sub moronic cavemen at worst…

Some of these defenders, they seemingly just don’t comprehend how their defending of this track record of molestation reads to us with normal conscience levels. One guy brought on to cable news to be a Moore surrogate noted that Joseph was an older dude and Mary wasn’t of legal drinking age, so, c’mon, Moore was just boys being boys back then. It was the 70s, that is an excuse that comes up time and again.

It was no boys being boys, what Beverly Young Moore, a Trump voter, told media two days ago. She was 16, Moore age 30, an ADA, someone looked up to as a pillar of lawfulness. This was no horseplay gone awry when he drove with her, stopped, locked the doors, grabbed at her chest and tried to force her head to his groin. Rape attempt, is what she described. Yes, publicly, which some of these mega morons blinded by the disgraceful political climate that we are mired in point to as a point against her credibility.

She just wants attention, and money, they say.

That seems plausible to them, maybe, because that is maybe how they think…they find it so foreign that maybe someone would be holding on to such a painful memory that they go beyond their comfort zone, their fear of being disbelieved and ridiculed and shunned within the community.

"And he looked at me and told me, 'You’re just a child, and I am the district attorney. If you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you," Nelson said. Moore was, a paper reported, then an assistant district attorney in Gadsden, in northeast Alabama, from 1977 to 1982. You choose your description of Moore, will you? I won’t take issue with it, I bet, if you see this situation as I do.

I heard a whopper today that steams me. A lawyer Moore pays to cover for him said, "I've been with him in probably over 100 different meetings and been around probably in excess of 10,000 different ladies in Judge Moore's presence and not once, not one time, have I ever seen him act even remotely inappropriate against any woman."

Jesus H. C-Word, this man has a valid law license?

Friends, back in the day, I used to smoke pot. It was more illegal then. And can I assure you, in that time frame I didn’t spark it up in front of my mom and dad, or the principal, or any other person who I figured wouldn’t be A-OK with my deviation from lawfulness. Yeah, I hid it. As, common sense would tell you, and if you are half a sentient being or not someone being paid by Roy Moore, is what someone who seemed to be a serial perv/molester would do.

They’d sneak and slither and use their sneaky creepy methods to get their victims in a place safe for them to attempt their attack.

This Moore story is yet another one which cements the stark and sad state of where we are as a nation. We are citizens united, we are, too many of us, in our division…polarized by mind sets that virtually render us different species. 63 million people said yes, this guy who was accused of molestation or harassment by 11 women, who has a track record of stiffing vendors, playing the system by declaring bankruptcies, and defrauded innocents by promising a high level education experience and delivering an adult-ed night school status one, this is the guy we deem Presidential material. Who was on tape bragging about hitting on a married woman, and how he can walk up and grab a lady’s pussy because he is rich and famous and immune from blowback. This EXCEPTIONAL nation elected this crude con man, who walks around painted on orange spray tan year round and doesn’t get the memo that he looks like a buffoon, is an ethical black hole and you have to go back to our civil war experience to offer a similar era of instability of national morale.

Too many of those same Trumpers, it seems like, cannot ponder that this Moore off the rails story is anything other than a vast left wing conspiracy to make it so a Libtard gets the Session seat. That “reasoning” defies common sense, and points to an outbreak of madness. Because, c’mon it isn’t sane. As if we needed more evidence of that. Those that wish to hold on to power, at pretty much any cost, will over-look egregious examples of misconduct and duplicity and lying under oath to adhere to the higher power that so many of these politicians look up to, their God, their framework for living, their personal Constitution…enriching themselves, by securing and holding on to power, and the trappings, be it monetary, or ego-massaging, which come with it.

Oh, and let’s not even delve deep into the concurrent shit shows that are giving the DC follies a run for the money. The Cosby-Weinstein-Louis CK-(insert fallen idol of the hour-day here) quagmire is confirming what so many women who’d been targeted by “important” movers and shakers/liberty takers had figured out: sooo many guys use their power like a weapon. They dangle the possibility for upward mobility, or maybe even dispense with that, and just assume because they are well-known public figures they deserve to treat people like items on a buffet line. They do’t see a person, they see a tray of orange beef.

The ingredients missing in the Moores and the CKs and whoever is outed as a perv piece of shot tomorrow are…empathy.. decency…integrity..humility.

All these guys saw something, which was actually a SOMEBODY, with a feelings, and went after it. With rude voraciousness…they didn’t care or consider their actions would cause alarm, dismay, fear, terror, post traumatic stress. The millenials get smacked down for being entitled; this conduct that we’re hearing has been a Hollywood staple isn’t that the height of toxic entitlement. Aesthetic train wreck Weinstein because of his powerful seat didn’t need to match up his appeal level with a potential romantic or sexual partner, he’d be the sole arbiter if there was a “love” connection, because he saw not a human being, but a vessel to serve him, to please him. How Trump sees his office, I think.

Mark these words: Roy Moore will step down from his quest to serve his ego and be elected to the Senate. Might not be tomorrow, or the next day, but it will happen. And we can take some solace in that. Because our system of communication is not totally broken. People don’t often enough seek news, but corroborative evidence. The “news” they get from Fox News isn’t news, it’s a hit of an opiate,  to soothe them, quell their anger at the state of society, and offer them alternative targets to puncture, so that their angst can dissipate for the moment, and they can avoid for another hour their disgust at the man in the mirror and the fallacy of the validity of the American dream.  But truth still can win…it sort of seeps to the fore, caterpillar quick, and has to be lobbed to persons who don't even realize it but are actively avoiding it. The Roy Moores, the pieces of shit who deserve a jail stint more so than a Senate seat, still eventually do get what is coming to them. Of that, I still have faith.