#anti john winchester

[bucky-bucky-bucky-bucky]

John Winchester if he slayed

[underwhelmingalchemist]

I love transmasc Dean headcanons because it implies that John was the world's shittiest father, but still drew the line at transphobia. Like, "of course I'm not gonna call him a girl, I'm not a monster. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a son to traumatize"

[torturedbitchesdepartment]

[spn-lesbian]

Mary: I told Dean to fight his demons and he swung at his dad

Cas: good

[holybeejesus]

Need Cas to beat Johns ass in the reboot I’m begging

[destiel-is-canon-i-guess]

John for Dean’s entire life: Your life is to be dedicated to the hunt and ONLY the hunt. You exist for two reasons: protect Sammy, and avenge your mother’s death. You don’t get to have a childhood. You don’t get to have friends. You don’t get to play games or sports. Don’t even THINK about college. Your happiness means nothing. If you die young and alone, so be it. That’s life, kid. No happily ever after for you. Quit whining about it.

John meeting Dean in the future: No wife and kids? 😢 No grandkids for Johnny Boy? 😢 No house with white picket fence? Why you still hunting?????? Johnny sad 😢

[sastielsfandom]

(this is a repost)

This has been on my mind lately. First, let me make this clear, this is not a Dean positive post. Do not try to make it so. I understand how Dean came about to be as he is but I do not sympathize with him. I'd be ashamed of myself if I did.

Dean does not see Sam as a person, that is fairly obvious especially in later seasons but that isn't what I have been pondering lately.

I have been thinking about how Dean perceives Sam and how it affects Sam. The best way I can describe it is, Dean sees Sam as a trophy that he has to protect because he was always told he had to.

Going along that thought, I have noticed how much Dean seems (is) resentful of the golden trophy his Father told him to keep safe.

Dean has made sacrifices in his childhood to keep his brother safe and Sam didn't always comply. Which is normal because Sam wasn't aware of these sacrifices. I've been in both Dean's and Sam's shoes and I understand how both feel.

How are you supposed to be grateful for something you don't know about? And it can be painful to make difficult sacrifices with no reward but I have never made a sacrifice expecting praise. It's not why you should make one.

So I see why Dean feels when Sam isn't aware of those sacrifices, Sam was being ungrateful. Sam isn't because when Sam learns about them he holds them in praise, but Dean still isn't satisfied. Because those sacrifices were never about Sam, it was about John and keep his trophy safe.

So it means nothing to Dean when Sam is mentally distraught and needs help as long as Sam is physically well and they can do their job without an issue.

And why Dean doesn't care about Sam the same way Sam cares about Dean.

Sam would rather go on without his brother to respect his brother's wishes of staying dead than to cling onto him when Dean doesn't want to live. Dean accepted his death so Sam had to as well.

When it was flipped, Dean didn't give a damn about if Sam was ready to go or not. Dean refused to let go so it trumped over Sam's feelings.

This is not a one-time thing, Dean is okay with people using Sam's autonomy and makes decisions, deals, with supernatural creatures to keep Sam alive, even if Sam isn't the same person he was before.

Sam can be reduced to nothing but as long as he is physically there and Dean can see him as his little brother, Sam can suffer.

Or how Dean sees it, Dad's trophy is the original and in one piece, I am doing my job. I have nothing to feel guilty about, I am in control.

That is not an older brother protecting his younger brother. That's Dean trying to control Sam and when he can't he manipulates Sam into doing what he wants. That is fucked up and I can never praise it.

Dean should have never been a parent so young and deserved a childhood, but Sam is not the one to fault for this, that is all on John Winchester.

[spookyblazecoffee]

Contrary to popular belief, I don’t think Adam just let the ghoul eat him, at least, not at first.

He saw through the one pretending to be his mom and fought tooth and nail to survive.

He used the adrenaline coursing through his veins to fight the ghouls away, but he gave up in the end when he ran into his mother's room and saw her lifeless body on the floor.

When he saw his mom, the woman that raised him, covered in blood and heard the monster pretending to be her calling his name, saying that he and Kate were just pawns in the ghouls' game to get to John, he cursed the man.

He barely even knew his father, and these monsters were going to kill him for just being related to the wrong person?

He cursed John with each scream as the monster's teeth tore into him.

He cursed John even after he got to heaven, even after he got to see his mom again.

He cursed John when he was raised from the grave.

He cursed John when he got possessed by Michael.

He cursed John when he and Michael fell into the cage with Lucifer and Sam.

He cursed John the thousands of years he was trapped in the cage with Michael and Lucifer.

At some point, he started cursing God as well as John.

After all, God had left Michael to run heaven alone, and John had left Adam and his mom to fend for themselves, not even telling either of them about Adam's older brothers.

Adam cursed God and John when he and Michael were let out of the cage.

He had cursed God when Michael wasn't angry about being left in the cage even after he came back.

Adam, in his final moments, cursed John for leaving himself and his mom, and he would curse God for leaving Michael and the other angels until he took his actual final breath.

Adam cursed God when he felt himself being torn away from Michael.

He was torn from the only being other than his mother to actually care for him.

Adam cursed Chuck when he and Michael were resurrected by Jack, and when Michael told him what Chuck had done.

He cursed Chuck for lying to Michael, cursed Chuck for leaving, cursed Chuck for not caring whether humanity lives.

Adam cursed his dad, he cursed Michael's dad, and he will continue to curse both of them until he runs out of air, which he will never do.

[millionsghosts]

thinking about the comparisons of Sam to John and the revenge shit is what really gets me because like. John raised his kids as hunters because he lost himself in his grief over Mary dying and obsession with revenge. Sam almost lost himself to it too at the end of season 1 (he would have if he shot John), but he stops himself because his alive family is more important to him than revenge for Jessica (the big difference between him and john!).

In contrast, when Dean dies in season 3 Sam doesn't have anything left but the revenge. His brother is dead and there's nothing he can do. That's when he loses himself and lets the want to kill Lilith take over. The powerlessness he felt when Dean was going to hell and confirmation that he could do nothing was what Ruby needed to get him hooked on that demon blood, too. This is similar to how John became hooked on hunting Azazel, but is also a more literal addiction (demon blood addiction as a metaphor for Sam's revenge quest, anyone?). Just like in season 1, Sam is paralleling his father here.

However! I believe it's at least a little bit of an unfair comparison to make. Sam's circumstances were a lot worse than John's with Ruby spurring him on (and the actual addiction to the blood). Plus, he didn't have a responsibility to his family like John did until after Dean got back. When that happened he did continue what he was doing, but at that point he was already hooked on demon blood/in too deep with Ruby anyways. He was also convinced he was already unclean! At most he thought he could use it to kill Lilith, right?

Also, Sam's obsession was much further along than John's when the opportunity came to put revenge over family (since Dean had once again. Been dead.). I'm not saying he didn't fuck it up, he 100% did! He betrayed Dean's trust and made a HUGE error in judgement, no matter how sympathetic I am towards him

(Not denying this is a Sam defense post! But I also have enough media literacy to understand that even when I love and am defending a character, that doesn't mean they did nothing wrong. I'm saying Sam is a better person than John was, not that)

Anyways, this betrayal still isn't comparable to John, who started out with two very young children to take care of from the beginning! He doesn't have the excuse of his obsession developing or getting in too deep while his family wasn't around like Sam does. Also, for all the shit Sam's addiction causes, he at least doesn't force Dean into it. This is as opposed to John, who raised his kids to be hunters too!

Anyways Sam, when in his right mind (not an addict being manipulated!), knows to choose his family over the revenge. When he doesn't, it's because he's a victim of severe, completely different circumstances. John Winchester left his normal life for the sake of revenge while he had two kids in the backseat. For all the similarities between John and Sam, despite the many many parallels and connections of their stories, that's the big, important difference between them. That's what matters

[faramirsonofgondor]

I’ve seen a few posts about this already but it’s so wild to me that in S1 like right off the bat Dean is like “Sam, our dad is missing, he could be hurt or dead or something!!! We need to find him and save him. You’re my only hope.” and Sam is like “Dean we’re all barely holding onto our sanity by a thread. Dad is sending us on a wild goose chase and he’s not missing, he’s just a deadbeat.” and Dean is just like “yea but you don’t know him like I do. We need to do this for him.” and then they make up for like 2 days and go kill a monster and one or both of them gets injured and almost dies and then they do the exact same thing all over again while John is in the background munching on popcorn and sipping martinis while watching them breakdown and lose hope and almost die. And then when he finally shows up he hugs them and he’s like “welp I gotta go die now boys, good luck with figuring all this shit out!!” and then when they get upset he’s like “well yea I sent you out on a bunch of dangerous missions where you almost got killed and stuff and sure I may have ignored you when Dean was dying and I used him as bait but this time it’s personal cause this monster killed your mom so I can’t let you come with me lol.” and then he gets possessed by said monster and Dean is like “You’re not my dad!! My dad would NEVER tell me he’s proud of me!!” and then after the monster leaves his body they all get into a fucking car crash and when Dean is dying, again, he’s just like “hold up I have an idea” and hits up the monster that possessed him and killed his wife and almost killed all of them. And while Sam is screaming at him in the background to be their dad he’s all like “yo how about I give you my soul and the only we have that can defeat you in exchange for you saving Dean??” and the demon is all like “Ok bet.” And then Dean finally wakes up from his coma and his dad is like “Hey remember that time I forced you to parent Sam for your whole life and barely comforted you and let you comfort me instead. Well, that’s really my bad bro. Anyways, you either need to save your brother or kill him so bye.” And then he leaves and fucking dies. And then like 2 days later Sam is just like “yea maybe dad wasn’t that bad. I kind of miss him ngl.” and Dean just beats the shit out of the car that he cherishes.

And then somehow some of the writers still want to try to make John seem like a good father???

[bucky-bucky-bucky-bucky]

I simply cannot handle the emotional turmoil that supernatural causes me like the fact that Dean knows John is possessed because John was being nice to him!!!!! John was being supportive and understanding and that was an immediate red flag!!!! bc he never would’ve treated Dean with that level of empathy!!!! I’m going to throw up!!!

[werewolfnatural]

okay but the dean winchester of it all about Stiles like both were left with the household responsibilities by absent (and likely drunk) fathers and neither of them have felt like kids for the longest time after the deaths of their mothers

trying to focus on stiles here because of the conversations about the BH parents currently in the tags today but the sheriff may love Stiles but he definitely left Stiles to parent himself

he tries the whole “I’m the father/you’re the son” but Stiles hasn’t seen it like that since Claudia died likely shifting when she first started getting sick and Stiles had to take care of her and himself because the sheriff was either working or drinking, and like dean Stiles probably had to care for his dad when he was drunk too and if Stiles’ anxieties are anything to go by then the sheriff wasn’t taking care of himself let alone a sick Claudia and young Stiles—that kind of anxiety doesn’t just stem from nowhere and I think it’s definitely in part to Stiles not being able to lose anyone else but also because he’s seen that the sheriff couldn’t be trusted to take care of himself

(this likely changed when he quit drinking but Stiles’ anxiety is still high so I don’t think that it actually changed all that much, and I think that stiles drives is part of all this bc yeah every kid wants to drive but I definitely think it was also bc it was a necessity he had no one to drive him places and needed to be able to go grocery shopping etc bc at least for Scott Melissa did do that much)

and I could talk forever how this can play into (nonsexual don’t fucking start) emotional incest with Stiles caring/monitoring the sheriff the way a partner would similarly to dean being compared to Mary so much and how both get judged for this by the fathers, like you’re the kid why aren’t you acting like a /normal/ kid but who else was there to care for them and keep the family going? Who else was there to take care of the fathers, who had proven they wouldn’t do it themselves, if not the kids? It’s kids parenting their parents while trying to raise themselves

and going off the Stiles caring like a partner would is definitely on the sheriff for not reinforcing boundaries, something that’s definitely impacted Stiles since (especially in the first seasons) we see him lack boundaries with his obsession with Lydia and with his and Scott’s broship (which are whole other posts god) but also with coach and the illegal shit he gets up to

Stiles has never had someone there pulling him back from too far and too much which is why I definitely think stiles raised himself, he has his own specific morals (he’s actually pretty violently inclined sometimes, especially for those he loves) plus the lack of faith in any higher authority that stems from being left/neglected from the authority that was supposed to care for you and protect you, because the sheriff did leave Stiles with Claudia a lot even after she had attacked Stiles in her state, because whether Stiles ever actually processed that or not it would’ve felt like a betrayal—that the sheriffs job was more important than stiles’ safety, and Stiles lying to the sheriff about everything regarding the supernatural totally lends to Stiles not trusting the sheriff to believe him (which happens) or trusting that a higher authority (the cops/adults in BH) to actually do anything about it and also lends to Stiles still being the protector/carer in their relationship

I could go on and on with more examples but I’ve already rewritten this like five times trying to word it for the last hour and I’m still not happy with it but I love digging into these complicated familial relationships and talk about Stiles (and dean) forever

[godstielcult]

John Winchester apologists give off the same vibe as people that say that they were beat as kids and not traumatized as a way to justify beating their own kids

[watchoutforthefanfics]

y'all what if instead of the whole like John coming back in the 300th episode for like a family reunion...

What if Dean wanted John back so he could punch him in the face??? To scream at him until the bunker walls shook with his voice (which is impossible, but you get the point)???

Maybe Sam could get in on it too, just for funsies.

[holybeejesus]

The power this scene could have had showing Dean’s growth if only they would have kept it in

[treacherousrift]

You guys ever think when Sam was younger, he purposefully didn’t tell his dad to turn while reading maps and navigating while they left towns because he didn’t want to leave and then John would miss the turn and realize and be mad and then Sam would finally be like “god dad sorry I forgot I can’t read maps that well”