#anti saw gerrera

[antianakin]

I understand that Saw Gerrera has been written over the years as a foil to Anakin Skywalker and the way they both devolved as people over time due to their dedication to their personal causes and how good intentions drew them towards selfish cruelty in the name of achieving their goal, despite being on opposite sides of a war.

But also Saw Gerrera is and was a wonderful person who didn't deserve anything that happened to him and Anakin Skywalker can go burn in a ditch forever.

[jynjackets]

Do you think Jyn and Maarva would like each other?

tl;dr: no <3

I don't think Jyn would get along with maarva as she is a source of Cassian's issues with self-worth and guilt, similar to how Saw is a source for her fear of abandonment. Maarva doesn't even like her own son so who knows who's good enough for her lol.

a long rant below the cut

Jyn being someone who knows exactly what it’s like to be adopted and re-abandoned, her seeing Cassian's mother be consistently disappointed in her drugged n kidnapped adopted son is a whole other level of fucked up parental issues. Maarva opting to be with her her town instead of Cassian in her last days and also disbanding his actual family, it would be very difficult for someone like Jyn to see past these actions.

There's also no real justification for Maarva's treatment of Cassian (because he doesn't do his capitalist ferrix job? because he brings girls home? because he still lives with her even though he takes care of her?). AND even after her death, the last thing she wants him to remember was “hey, you’re a big fuck up, but that’s okay <3”.

Maarva has done nothing but live her life from her fuckass couch and yet had the audacity to tell Cassian that he needs to stand up, that he needs to rebel or get a job. Even after when he fought back and went to child prison after seeing his adopted father hanged. So not only did you get ripped away from your parents, but also the person that supposedly chose you felt like they got more than they bargained for, Cassian therefore feeling ultimately undesired by both the biological and adopted family.

But being a parent is complicated, is she at fault?

Compare it to Saw abandoning Jyn. When Jyn grew older he was forced to choose between his daughter and his life's mission. Abandoning her is, without argument, fucked up. While it created irreparable damage, we can understand why he did it. Not only was it traumatizing for Jyn, but it was THE ultimate sacrifice he was making from himself. The thing that shifts some blame away is that it gutted him to do this, and he did it from a place making sure she was safe and alive.

So with this in mind, what is Maarva’s sacrifice in being constantly disappointed in your adopted son because he isn’t like everyone else? What does she gain when she tells him to forget about Kenari, that there’s nothing left? Imagine being adopted, being told as an adult that, no, you can’t be looking for your biological family and that they’re nothing now, and that even trying is useless. The only thing I can see is that she just wants Cassian to fit her image of an ideal Ferrix citizen, which isn't amazing and isn't enough to justify her actions.

Moreover, as someone who has lost a parent, the last moments you have with them hold a permanent memory that weigh differently than everything else, and imo require its own sort of grief. On Maarva's last days, she made him leave without her, even when she knew she was going to die by not taking her meds. She would rather spend her last days being memorialized as a hero on Ferrix than being with her only son. And at the end of your days, you want to go home. You want to be with family for as long as possible. For Maarva, home was Ferrix and everyone else there, not Cassian.

So Maarva sucks because she was a terrible mother at the benefit of literally nothing. Where Saw was the insurgent leader of the extremist cell that made major attacks against the empire; and not the best father largely because of his life's work but also still wanting to do his best to keep his daughter safe. But look who gets more villainized than anybody else and who is more celebrated as a hero?

On a tangent now, I believe Jyn and Maarva would be comparable to Cassian and Saw's relationship: you don't feel all warm and fuzzy inside meeting the [person you care about]'s greatest source of trauma.

All that Cassian knows about him is that he adopted her, then abandoned her. Upon seeing him on Jedha he almost draws a gun to protect Jyn (doing that before THE guy, THE supposed terrorist and Empire's most wanted, mind you), unsure where their relationship stands. Saw of course, would protect his daughter in turn, not knowing who this guy is.

I would believe Jyn would see Maarva in a similar light on a dramatically smaller scale. That "I hate my MIL and our interests are only mutually aligned around what's best for Cassian", but of course what that means is totally different things. Maarva sees Cassian and believes he needs to change. Even when she’s fucking dead he still needs for things to come together in order to be unstoppable, or whatever vision she had in mind for him and that him on his own is not enough.

And so the rest of this is how I interpret the implications for Rogue One: that the lessons both Jyn and Cassian took from their adopted parents can be mutually shattered as they see each other for who they are and not what they've been molded to believe.

As we know with Jyn, she has a complex moral code. When she sees a stormtrooper she feels the reflex to kill. When she sees a war-torn child, her reaction is to risk her own life to save innocents. And this is what she continues to do when she meets Cassian. She has every reason to shoot him and steal his ship. But on Jedha, seeing him agreeing with her that she was perhaps worth saving after her deed of saving the child, she sees him in return when he shoots the partisan. They see each other for their actions, for the better parts of each other, despite their words and even their own personal doubts. Jyn continues to risk her life for him over and over again and vice versa. She doesn’t want to change him at all and she inspires him to fight in ways he perhaps has forgotten or never knew was possible.

In fact, the reason she’s angry with him on Eadu is because he lied to her. Revealing the intention to kill someone’s dad easily put your anger in the right, but while she is mixed up with grief, the bigger part of her knows he was incapable of doing it and doesn’t revel in the fact of who he could’ve been if he killed her father or even combined with terrible things he's done, but just sees the present man that didn't and instead came back for her. Even Cassian is thinking how she was going to kill him for it, when he hadn’t even committed the crime. He’s caught up with the impression and perception of the kind of man he is, the narrative that he’s been fed his whole life that he’s committed atrocities that deem him unworthy.

Jyn and Cassian offer each other a break from narratives and reputations that they've tried to sound out their whole lives. And although both characters have a lot of integrity, being told the same thing over again through life lessons, you begin to believe it yourself. It's where we meet the two of them at their lowest points. That for Jyn, she wasn't someone worth returning to, that there isn't hope amongst war. And for Cassian, that he's not a good person for things he's done, that war is endless, and he has to follow orders or do things for others in order to belong. As the events of Rogue One unfold, we can see how they come to understand each other. They create a bond by feeling seen for the first time.

IN SUMMARY:

Maarva is like the exact opposite of Saw Gerrera in all the worst fucking ways, I tell you. Instead of being family friends with and saving the child that he later abandons, she kidnaps the child away from their actual family and then holds them hostage on her planet to force-assimilate and take care of her in her old age. And instead of actively rebelling through extremist insurgencies, she sits around and berates her son to go be a rebel, and yet disappointed that he doesn't have a job or doesn't do what everybody else does(?).

Jyn would hate that bitch like. Every Life Day would be an ordeal. The irony of how she fucking dies doing nothing when Saw Gerrera is barely held together by oxygen tubes and yet outlives this couch potato. Andors versus Erso-Gerreras it's first-planet problems versus outer rim problems. Yeah they're both traumatic but the biggest difference is one of these is entirely avoidable if you just weren't a piece of shit.

[squidswithguns]

marxist-gerrarist action

[jaigeye]

Everyone blaming Saw Gerrera for Tech's death rn and jokingly threatening mob violence on his character needs a history lesson and a punch to the face. Shut the fuck up. Star Wars writers creating yet another situation where a character of color will become widely hated and responded to in a racist manner is unsurprising but deeply tragic. Anyone who's talked about chasing him with pitchforks or made memes putting him in the crosshairs of a gun should be deeply fucking ashamed of themselves. You have a serious problem. You are a cruel person. You are insensitive and anti-Black. What makes this behavior justifiable to you? Seriously, who raised you?

[coruscanti-arabi]

It's always white people who say things like this about Saw Gerrera and then wonder why poc defend him so hard. White characters did exactly what Saw did - or worse - and are beloved, as a very clear example, Anakin Skywalker.

Saw is inherently morally grey, fighting for the right thing but using the wrong tactics. He is supposed to be an anti-hero, a character foil to the other rebel cells - and to highlight that both sides of war are not innocent (i.e. Saw kills innocent civilians, PoWs) and that war, no matter how right the reasons, is inherently destructive and corrupted at it's core. He was a product of his environment, a war-torn Onderon which turned him into a Galactic guerrilla, losing his sister and himself in war. He's the harsh reality of war, he wasn't a hero, he was a survivor.

You don't even have to like Saw Gerrera to understand his character - and award the bare minimum of respect and understanding to his situation, that most people beg us to understand in non-blk characters (i.e. Anakin Skywalker, Crosshair, Kylo Ren).

[onesingularartbean]

I’ve been thinking a lot about a Rogue One/Star Trek crossover and I can’t contain my brain anymore.

A warning: this does allude to potential spoilers for DS9.

I picture Cassian as Commander Andor, first officer of Captain Draven on the USS Fleming. He’s a quarter Vulcan (his mother’s side), which always gave him a bit of an edge in problem solving and the art of keeping calm. (Yes, his ears have the slightest of points.) However, he sometimes gets that reckless human urge, which allows him to be endlessly creative. He was a regular rule follower until he met Jyn, who kind of changed his whole life. He likes to pretend to resist her bold ideas, but they both know he’s going to follow her no matter what.

Jyn Erso is a half-Bajoran Lieutenant on the security track (Lyra was born on Bajor and was a member of the a Bajoran Resistance cell with Saw Gerrera) who somehow managed to get recruited to Starfleet by Cassian. This was after many years fighting under Saw’s Maquis cell after her mother’s death and father’s kidnapping by Cardassian invaders. Because of her skill, she was fast-tracked through the Academy and now serves on Draven’s ship. She and Cassian butted heads quite a bit over regulations, but that grew into mutual respect and etc. Her favorite place on the ship is the arboretum.

I went back and forth on Kay. He could be an Android, but that felt a bit too easy. Instead, I see him as a Romulan defector. Cassian rescued him during a particularly sensitive mission after Kay was left for dead. He now serves as Chief Science Officer/Cassian’s right hand man. He pretends to hate poker nights, but he always shows up and wins (unless Bodhi is around).

Chirrut is Betazoid, so he has a vast emotional awareness and telepathic abilities. Because he doesn’t have the trademark Betazoid eyes, he is a master at throwing people for a loop. No one expects him to throw back their inner thoughts, but he does because he’s Chirrut. He is the ship’s councilor and a fucking badass in a phaser fight (and what a killer combo it is when his husband is around). He and Baze have a good laugh over the UST between Cassian and Jyn. He was barred from participating in Han’s “when will they” betting pool, but Baze wasn’t so he won anyway lol

Baze screams Klingon to me, though he’s more anti-establishment than most after barely surviving a border skirmish after the Klingon’s attempted invasion of Cardassia. He met Chirrut shortly after and the two have been inseparable ever since. Baze lives by his own personal code of honor and isn’t afraid of a good fight. He and Jyn do Mok’bara (Klingon martial arts) together each morning.

And sweet, lovely Bodhi is a bright ensign on the engineering crew. He’s the pride and joy of his large family as he’s the first to ever join Starfleet and complete academy training. He and Jyn attended at the same time and became fast friends. He tutored Jyn in high-level engineering courses, while she got him combat ready. He kills everyone at poker night when Chirrut isn’t there.

[spacemagicandlaserswords]

The Clone Wars 5.17 ‘Sabotage' Reaction

aka FORESHADOWING KLAXON

There is so much foreshadowing in this episode. The entire thing is basically just foreshadowing. You could just hold down the foreshadowing klaxon for 20 minutes and it’d do the same thing. There are so many lines in this episode that need a foreshadowing klaxon played after them. In fact, if I did that, my imaginary foreshadowing klaxon would probably be broken from over use by the end of the episode. I’m probably going to need a foreshadowing gong as well. 

Cato Nemoidia?! Isn’t that where Obi-Wan jokingly told Cody that Cody had let him down in Revenge of the Sith? (How dare, Cody would never) What happened on Cato Nemoidia? I must know. Is this another thing that’s going to be like what happened in Budapest? 

Hello to Barriss, who oh so conveniently appears in the background when Anakin first goes to question Leeta. Fancy seeing you here Barriss! I wonder what you could possibly be doing suddenly appearing lurking in the background after being completely forgotten for 74 episodes.

Why are the temple workers Russian?

I always thought Ahsoka was framed for the bombing of the Jedi temple but it turns out that’s not the case. I’m guessing she gets framed for killing Leeta; who fed the nano-droids to Jackar (her husband) and then blew him up in the Jedi temple hanger. 

Jackar’s last name is Bowmani, which isn’t that far removed from sounding like ‘bomb’. It’s even got most of the letters from the word as well, all it’s missing is the second ‘b’. It’s not on the same level as General Ima-Gun Di but it’s also not subtle.

In the same vein, I realised that Saw Gerrera sounds awfully similar to Che Guevara. A rebel in a jungle? Wow, I wonder who that could’ve been inspired by. They even have the same number of letters in their first and last names. I know this is an “animated kids tv show” but that is not subtle either. 

On the other side of the whole “animated kids tv show” thing, there is a lot of depth in this episode. I think this is one of those episodes that I’m going to have to come back to and write a much longer analysis about. That theme about the underpayment of workers for a large organisation was fairly clear. As was the other theme about public perception and anti-war sentiments, especially the anti-Jedi public opinion, which I’m sure is being orchestrated by Palps in the background. Curious that the anti-war/Jedi protestors used a symbol of the clones' helmets crossed out to convey their point of view, rather than an image of the Jedi that they’re protesting against. Though I suppose the clone's helmets are a more recognisable, closely associated, and repeatable symbol of the war than some random Jedi or a lightsaber. 

Hello to whatever monitoring thing is picking up my recaps of these episodes. With the amount of times I have to include the word ‘bomb’ in these, I’m sure it’s flagging something. To the nice CIA/FBI/NSA/<insert government agency acronym of your choice here> agent who has to read all of my ramblings, I hope you’re not too bored, are comfy and have some tea or coffee and some snacks. If it isn’t already painfully clear, I’m rambling on about Star Wars and The Clone Wars tv series. May the Force be with you and all that.

Not much else to say about this episode. I’ve already rambled on about it for too long. I’m so nervous about watching the rest that I feel all shaky and jittery. I know what happens in the end and it is all just awful. Dammit, why is TCW just full of pain?   

[tilehopper]

WOW. Andor is really the best Star Wars output ever made, and the best Star Wars has ever been. Tony Gilroy and the team really put a lot of attention into the writing and IT SHOWS.

They have clearly done the research into the historical significance of anti-fascist movement, revolution and the various ideologies around it. You have folks like Luthen who is an accelerationist and Saw Gerrera who mirrors African Revolutionary Leaders like Samora Machel.

BUT, that doesn't mean the show is inherently leftist. Do I agree with the assessment that the show is a "controlled release" of leftist ideologies too?

No. Not really. The ideologies, except for scenes where Luthen and Saw are on the same table, were never the front of the story. But we do see the moral implications of accelerationism, prison industrial complex, and how neo-liberalism collapsed under the weight of authoritarian and fascism (or become fascist as form of rebellion against neo-liberal structures).

But that's merely because the Galactic Empire has always been fascist-coded, whilst the rebellion was never clearly defined. Under George Lucas and Sequel Trilogy, the rebellion was only seen like an aesthetic "resistance" front. The cost of fighting back against a fascist state with overwhelming force was never in the picture because we have space wizards and shit to save the day.

The rebellion was merely a supportive character in most Star Wars media.

By removing space wizards and putting the story at the early age of rebellion, Andor provides context and definition of what the rebels looked like by using real world examples. Coincidentally through our own history a lot of anti-fascist movements were leftist / marxist. Who would have thought?

I suspect it was never the intent of Tony Gilroy and team to put "leftist anti-fascist" message in "Disney's Star Wars" because Star Wars has never been a political franchise in the first place (unlike Star Trek). It only uses politics as aesthetics of the world in a galaxy far...far..away.

But this time around, they understood the assignment. They understand how within the context of anti-fascist movement, you cannot avoid leftist / marxist politics, and they use that to enrich the world of Star Wars without saying it outright...and I doubt the larger team that worked on Andor even realized that they have made one of the best fictional anti-fascist, anti-imperialism sci-fi stories.

[hauntedfalcon]

we got Melshi lore? the Chandrilan language spoken briefly onscreen? Saw Gerrera casually namedropping six other militant anti-Imperial movements that we’ve never heard of (and will probably never hear about again)? god what a good show

[antianakin]

Saw: I'm trying to take down a government that's trying to destroy all of us, to bring as much peace to the galaxy as I can with the resources available to me, I'm hoping that if I can do a large amount of damage early on that it'll have more of an impact than if I wait until my resources are greater.

TBB: Wow you're an idiot for thinking you can defeat an EMPIRE, we're here to save ONE GUY that we personally give a shit about so obviously we have the moral high ground over you.

[proofofburden]

You Know Andor is Not Anti-Capitalist, Right?

One of the many hills I'm going to die on is that Andor barely has a whiff of anti-capitalist themes in the text. Anti-fascist, for sure, but not anti-capitalist.

The reason it seems like I'm obviously wrong here is the prison on Narkina-5 seems like a criticism of for-profit prisons. And look, my politics are such that if you see common threads and think about for-profit prisons and think worse of them, sure, that's great. But it appears to be a public prison (or at least, it's ambiguous) and it's certainly creating public goods for the fascists. The only people we see benefit from Andor's labor are not capitalists, but the fascist state itself. To read it as a criticism of for-profit prisons in modern Democracies is to bring whole dimensions to the text that are unsupported and sometimes even contradicted by that text. It's well done, but the literal criticism is of fascist work camps in service of fascist armies; to be clear, it absolutely rules as anti-fascist art. With a bit of work you can make it comment on capitalism metaphorically, and while I think that intent is bouncing around in there, to make it work well you have to say 21st Century America is like a prison camp and, hmm...I think Andor is doing better than that.

And that's it! People were really impressed with the fact that there were for-profit cops in the first few episodes, but---to the writers' credit---they did not suggest a cozy relationship between capital and fascism. As soon as the rent-a-cops were not useful, they were relieved of duty by the Empire. The text is so disinterested in capital that they don't really talk about the economic consequences of that, but otherwise this is a savvy read of fascism: The real fascists left their capitalists allies out to dry all the time. And Andor doesn't get into it, but capital as a class did worse under fascism because for every Preox-Morlana there were several losing firms.

The main employer throughout the show is actually the fascist state, which is arguably a feature of the story they are trying to tell, but it is a fair representation of the fascist ideal. Preox-Morlana isn't some capitalist dream company either, but rather rent-seeking* off the security powers of the state. In isolation you can read that as anti-capitalist, but again, the text isn't super interested in the capitalist part, but the fascist power part!

I'm interested to see what they do with Mon Mothma's criminal banking storyline next year, but again, this undermines the supposed anti-capitalist storyline as told so far. She needs capital to fund The Rebellion and she's making deals with people outside the fascist state to do it. This certainly isn't pro-capital either because we're not supposed to see these compromises as good. But that's my point: Far from being ideological, it's about the realities of money for uprisings and the compromises people have to make to fight fascism. I'm really impressed that it's avoided ideologically easy answers for her story! (Now, they should sharpen her plot structure for the second season, but that's a whole different post.)

The last reason I'm not willing to see Andor as clearly anti-capitalist is that the show peeks at the ideologies of the people involved in The Rebellion through Saw Gerrera. They are diverse: Separatists, Neo-Republicans, Partisan Front, Sectorists, Human Cultists, and Galaxy Partitionists. What's interesting is that the first is not only capitalist, but the bad kind of capitalists who seized Naboo in Episode I and warred against the Republic during the Clone Wars. The Neo-Republicans want to bring back the Republic, which had substantial capitalist institutions. Yet Gerrera himself with the partisans is an anarchist, almost certainly (but not textually!) against a post-Empire capitalism.

The dialogue about these factions is literally ambivalent: Gerrera is arguing they are "lost", which I think we're to take to mean he wants an ideologically pure revolution. Luthen, whose character has a whole monologue elsewhere about the compromising nature of anti-fascist work, is arguing that the factions have to put aside their differences. Giving Gerrera the refutation and not, say, the remnants of the Trade Federation is not a coincidence; the show is sympathetic to anti-capitalist thought. But from every angle--Luthen's monologue, the fact the Neo-Republicans win, the ambivalence about capitalism elsewhere--the show is suggesting Gerrera does not have the luxury of his own idealism.

The thing the show Andor understands really well is that fascism is totalizing: It comes to touch every facet of every life it rules over and demands they all be bent towards its ends. Capitalism is no exception. The show has no great love for capitalism; there are no good companies in the Galaxy. But even the most evil company we see, Preox-Morlana, is ultimately an (unsympathetic) victim of the fascist state. The prison we see benefits no capitalists. Public employees are prominent. The nascent Rebellion gets in bed with criminal bankers. The worst capitalists from the prequels are opposing the Empire. The Free World in the 30s and 40s had no time and space to oppose capitalism because fascism held all that ground, and though not all its characters see that for the Galaxy, the show does. The show makes no effort to show capitalism as a good alternative to fascism, but it is emphatically not anti-capitalist.

*This is a technical term growing out of Adam Smith's analysis of when a firm gets much of its value from a legal arrangement with the state. The history is that titled nobles would charge rents for capitalists to use the land the crown gave them, typically for coal mining in Smith's day. Preox-Morlana is "mining" the power to enforce the law from it's relationship with the Empire.

[starwarslut]

in a shocking turn of events, i am not dead and instead have more clone wars thoughts (part one, part two, part three):

- LOVING the ventress arc

- am i crazy of did the logo change from yellow to red???? i do not like the implications of that

- maul has cracked— my mans has lost it and yet i’m still vibing with him

- god, i forgot how much i love obi-wan

- ngl, maul’s new legs are sick as fuck

- OH FUCK

- MAUL GOT NEW LEGS AND THE FIRST THING HE DID WAS COMMIT WAR CRIMES??!!?!?

- leave it to obi-wan to sass the people who are beating the absolute living shit out of him

- obi-wan and ventress would have been the literal bestest of friends had they been on the same side— they have the same sense of humor and personality

- i’m obsessed with the obi-wan and ventress pair up

- obi-wan is such a cocky son of a bitch but he’s also so badass, i love him

- and the obi-wan and hondo pair up?? exquisite as always

- FUCKING SHEEV. SUCK MY COCK YOU RECEDING HAIRLINE WRINKY ASS MUSTY ASS BITCH

- rex’s stealth uniform!!!!! oh my god!!!!!

- steela and saw are the accurate sibling representation i live for

- god i love ashoka

- anakin really embodies worried older brother/dad during this entire arc, very nice

- king rash just looks like an evil dictator

- lux really is just picking up ladies wherever he goes, respect

- hondo, my beloved

- god, why do i feel like losing steela is going to mess with ashoka hardcore

- i think i figured it out, it seems to switch between red and yellow, i do not like this, please just pick a colour

[blackwomeninstarwars]

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature. 

Compare how Obi-Wan holding himself responsible for Anakin’s fall is met with an overabundance of sympathy and empathy, while there’s a greater inclination to vilify Cere Junda for holding herself accountable for Trilla’s fall,and for not immediately telling Cal about her relationship with Trilla. Despite the game making it explicit that Cere and Trilla were victims of circumstance, fandom is all too eager to absolve Trilla of any responsibility in her choice to become an Inquisitor.

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature.

Debora Wilson is constantly called “ugly”, “bug eyed”, or “manly” across the spectrum of the JFO fandom the same way the ST fandom (and employees working at Ubisoft) have compared John Boyega to a monkey, or called him sleazy for preferring to date Black women.

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature.

Whenever the anti-Blackness of the reylo community is exposed (again), they’ll move quickly to cover it up by “showing appreciation” for Finn for a moment by praising the film (and director) that undermined his character (and worse), Blocking Black fans that question their motives, rewrite history to valorize themselves (as white fandom does), then default to the usual behavior.

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature. 

Rogue One’s Cassian Andor’s “gray morality”and self-sacrifice for the Rebellion makes him a complex character, but in the same film Saw Gerrera is “too extreme” and re-characterized as quasi-villainous in later material (Rebels and JFO).

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature.

Jannah is given the cold shoulder by LucasFilm (her narrative gutted not once, but twice), and transformed into the BBF by non-Black fanfic writers or she’s killed off in sloppy TLJ AUs, her dynamic with Finn ignored to keep him orbiting around Poe or Rose.

Anti-Blackness in the Star Wars community is cyclical in nature. 

As Black fans enter then leave the circle as a result of white fandom’s toxicity, it reliably maintains no many how many years or how many ‘norms’ change at a snail’s pace.

[gizkalord]

It’s really hilarious to think about how much the connections and relationships that Anakin built before his fall retroactively shot him in the foot when he became Vader:

- trained Ahsoka Tano, who not only killed an Inquisitor, but would become the top intelligence/spy agent for the Rebellion and was instrumental in coordinating Rebels cells for almost 2 decades and founding the Fulcrum agent network, which delivered results like: destroying the Imperial occupation on Lothal (Kallus), and obtaining the Death Star plans (Cassian).

- strongly advocated for the training of the Onderonian rebels, including Saw Gerrera, who would later become a major anti-Empire insurgent, AND who also trained Jyn Erso, who was instrumental in obtaining the Death Star plans.

- worked closely with Captain Rex, who would later become a major military commander in the Rebellion and participated in the final battle over Endor

- married Padmé Amidala, who was a key member of the Delegation of 2000, which later became the political leadership of the Rebellion

- owned R2-D2, who was key in delivering the Death Star plans safely and ultimately securing the destruction of the Death Star, as well as assisting in multiple Rebel missions

- fathered Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa, who would be THE main players in toppling the Empire and rebuilding the Jedi and the Republic

- made C3PO, which didn’t matter that much in the long run, but hey he still helped the Rebels out

- left behind training holos of himself, which later aided Ezra Bridger’s training, who eventually grew into a Jedi who prevented Palpatine from gaining access to TWBW, defeated Thrawn, and saved Lothal from Imperial occupation (now we’re getting into tangential things lmao)

like honey..... he really played himself