#anti steve rogers

[hainethehero]

So I made the mistake of stumbling onto the NOT STEVE ROGERS FRIENDLY tag today and..

You have to be a special type of delusional to be this obsessed with a character you don't like!??

Over 2k fics have the tag and are almost entirely Tony Stark-centered fics. I'm assuming these are the "fans" who totally buy into the MCU canon and don't know any other Captain America lore outside of what Feige and Whedon have done. Or, they're the "fans" who refuse to understand the politics behind Steve's character and how he was inherently undermined throughout the entire ten years of the MCU by the directors and writers for most of the films.

Because the arguments in most of these fics for being "not Steve rogers friendly" are really surface level shit like:

1) "Steve refused to sign the Accords and broke up the Avengers" (he was right & he didn't break them up, an overemotional Tony did when he refused to listen to Bucky's side of the story).

2) Steve fought Tony and almost killed him (yeah, like Tony didn't blast Bucky's arm off and shoot his repulsor rays directly at Steve).

3)Steve is homophobic (y'all are just making up reasons to hate this man atp)

4)Steve is racist (Steve hated racists & you'd know that if you read the comics, or you guys are just that deluded that you're making Steve racist & trying to project it as canon and therefore a "reasonable" explanation as to why you hate him)

5)Blaming Steve for Rhodey's accident (WHICH WAS TEAM TONY'S FAULT!)

6)YALL, THEY MADE STEVE THE BAD GUY IN A BROCK RUMLOW/BUCKY FIC! I stg I cannot make this shit up💀 Steve's bad for wanting Bucky to be Bucky again, but somehow Brock's the good guy for wanting Bucky to be the Soldier...

Steve left Bucky for Peggy (we'll get to this soon)

There's a hundred more irrational reasons for the Steve Rogers hate, but let me get to the WORST part.

THERE ARE BUCKY STANS WHO ARE ANTI-STEVE ROGERS.

And I'm sorry, no. I don't accept that you love Bucky Barnes but hate the one person he loves the most in the world.

They argued in a couple fics that "Bucky also went rogue after Siberia but he didn't want to associate with Steve, Nat & the rest of the team- WHO HELPED RESCUE BUCKY & EVENTUALLY EXONERATE HIM- but rather, he went off on his own & eventually Tony finds him, they hash it out and become friends to lovers."

Helppp???? Wdym Bucky isn't gonna stick with the one man he's been keeping diaries about to try and get back his memories? But he'll go to the one guy that re-traumatized him by blowing out his arm again?

Not only that, but Bucky absolutely hates Steve in some of these fics and the reason will be, "he left Bucky to go back to Peggy." Like, you cannot be a serious fan if you're still going with the Endgame canon. For a majority of us, we recognize Endgame as being nothing but terrible writing and mischaracterizations. Why are yall not analyzing and interpreting media critically? The MCU has never been on Steve's side and have always diminished his character in an attempt to make Tony the ultimate hero of the OG 6. Don't yall know the discourse? It's embarrassing atp.

And this is my stance on the entire thing: there's nothing wrong with writing fics about characters you don't necessarily like or aren't interested in. It's OKAY if you don't like Steve Rogers- but you've gotta be rational about him, instead of hateful. Most, if not all of these "anti-steve" fics are written in bad faith. Bad understanding of the character and pure, shameless mischaracterizations which just makes these types of fics fickle and weak- hilarious to read though cos that Brock one had me deadddd😭💀.

[salty-ironstrange-shipper]

Tony: Oh Steve, it's just you.

Stephen: We were afraid it was somebody important.

[irondad-defensesquad]

bucky after endgame: damn, steve abandoned me

tony, patting his back: welcome to the club

[thecarnivorousmuffinmeta]

I don't think you've been asked- but what's your opinion on the accords?

I briefly touched on the accords here, in my post where I hate on Steve.

Now, I have to give the caveat of "in the MCU films" as that's what I'm familiar with and if I don't someone will invariably come to my comments and say, "But Muffin, you didn't read the comics, in the comics this made sense, in the comics this is different".

So, we're talking about the films.

In the films, they were a completely reasonable and legitimate international law that Steve and friends look... not quite bad but short sighted for fighting against it so hard.

Given what we're told in the film, this is an international agreement, agreed upon by pretty much every country, which is just "superhumans who play vigilante should be held accountable to international laws and should not be directing themselves". That's it.

The laws in and of themselves are not only not an inherently bad idea but probably a good one. The reason it seems they may not be justified is that, thus far (sans Tony in Age of Ultron when he made an evil AI and nearly destroyed a country), is that the Avengers as we've seen them in the film have reacted reasonably to threats and were unquestionably the good guys. They never threw their weight around, abused their powers, didn't seem to be picking and choosing of who they would save and who they wouldn't, and worked fairly cohesively as a relatively independent organization. This makes it seem more like a "Tony" problem in that he's the one who fucked up big time and should have had oversight.

The problem is, that's right, it is a Tony problem, Tony was an Avenger who had no oversight and was deciding where and how he should use his talents with no one to say "no", and there could be another Tony in the future and maybe someone should be able to check in and say when the Avengers should and should not be going.

Now, if it was just MCUsa, e.g. Ross who we know is a baddie, that'd be quite bad as the avengers can be sent out as tools of war between whatever countries except that we're told it's explicitly an international agreement and that it's internationally decided on when and where the Avengers should be deployed. In terms of politics, that's about as good as you're going to get, and a lot more justified than "six/seven people with mostly the same background decide when and where they should go without necessarily having a full understanding of the situation/place they're being deployed into".

Oversight is not a bad thing.

And the film completely and utterly fails to bring up any legitimate and convincing arguments against it. Arguments seem to boil down to: we as an audience know from general Marvel things and The Hulk that Ross is very bad and him being for the accords is bad, Tony was the bad guy in the last film and is clearly letting his fear get to him here and is afraid of making his own decisions, Bucky, and we know the Avengers are good and always will be.

It's just.. yeah, what else is there to say?

[illicthearts]

I watched Infinity War today, sometimes I question why I liked it so much because half the things they do pisses me off. Especially Quill he pisses me off so much.

And STEVE, don’t even get me started on him. “We don’t trade lives,” JUST A MOVIE A GO YOU WERE PREACHING THAT WE NEED ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR LINE OF WORK YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYONE. And than he goes ahead sacrifices a bunch of people (POCs) to save a ROBOT! Who mind you could be made again.

But I guess that only applies to faceless people. Not to the people you know personally and especially not if Wanda loves that person. I hate his hypocritical ass so much.

[whateverthought]

Creator's Pets That Get On My Last Nerve

Aka "Poor Baby, Never Did Anything Wrong, All Eyes on Them, Always Right"

Felicity Smoak from Arrow

Steve Rogers from the MCU

Clarke Griffin from The 100

Caitlin Snow from The Flash

Bakugou Katsuki from My Hero Academia

Hayley Marshall from The Originals

[doodlegirl1998]

Am I the only one who HATED that Steve lifted Mjolnir in Endgame? Because I HATED that moment and thought it was undeserved after all the shit he pulled in Civil War, jot to mention the fact that he COULDN'T lift it in Infinity War!!!

Hi @nutzgunray-lvt 👋,

Hard agree.

It felt unearned after everything that happened in Civil War, after how dirty he did Tony, how he used all his friends to do what he wanted and protect Bucky.

But he actually doesn't think about what's in Bucky's best interest or what Bucky may want (ironically enough Tony was the one looking out for everyone else best interests nearly that whole film - including Bucky's.)

Steve only thinks about himself and what he wants.

A flaw of Steve's that is consistent is that he's selfish.

That doesn't change.

That should have been a reason for him never being able to lift Mijonir. (Besides Mijonir and summoning lightening being distinctly Thor's power, unique to him, having Steve adopt it and summon lightening - like he's Thor is an odd choice.)

In Endgame, after winning the fight - Steve goes back and gets his happy ending...

At the cost of Peggy's.

Because he went back in time and 'got the girl', her children no longer exist.

Peggy, doesn't get a line that whole film, is reduced from a complex character in her own right to Steve's love interest and Steve's happy ending.

That's horrible. Steve fans should also hate this because he also ditched his friends (including Bucky who he apparently loved enough to fight for all of CACW.)

To bring this back to Thor for a moment, he began his story arrogant, selfish and self-centered by the conclusion of his origin story he learnt to be selfless, humble to an extent (rather like Tony) and grew worthy of Mijonir as a result.

So MCU Steve, with his flaw of selfishness, I do not feel like should have ever been able to lift Mijonir.

Sorry needed a rant.

[fallingforfictionalmen]

“steve would be stupid enough to do the same for me” yeah but while bucky stood down when steve stood up for him, hydrastomper tried to kill bucky

“steve would be stupid enough to do the same for me” and steve actively leaves him for a girl he kissed once

“steve would be stupid enough to do the same for me” but he doesn’t love you enough and that’s the difference between steve and bucky

[ffiamgoku]

A great commission drawn for me by @maddiedrawz of Linda Lee (aka Red Daughter from Supergirl) and my DC OC, Marcia Constantine. Marcia is the niece of John Constantine, a scientist and supporting character in my fic "A New Team (Done Right)". Which is an MCU crossover with DC (including Supergirl and Arrowverse, along with other DC continuities all on the same earth)

In the fic, Red Daughter/Linda survived the ordeal with Lex and started a new life, with friends and family and found love with Marcia. NOTE: The story is not friendly to Steve Rogers or Wanda Maximoff. Story Link: A New Team (Done Right) - Chapter 1 - iamgoku - Multifandom [Archive of Our Own]

[hainethehero]

This is what I mean when I say the anti-Steve Rogers hate is annoying because why every time I come across a tiktok/post about Steve/Captain America, I have to see Tony stans 🤣

You can very easily see that it TRANSCENDS fanfic and socmed platforms because they actively go out of their way to make sure everyone knows what they think of Steve. And almost 100% of the time, they're Tony stans.

YOU WILL NEVER SEE A STEVE FAN DOING THIS. (And if u do, it's one-off comments, not spam)

I'm a Tony fan, I love him in almost every version of him across the marvel media, but this level of obsession with Steve has to be studied💀🤣. In tiktoks about Tony, you won't ever find this much comments about Steve to the point where it's spam. But almost all the ones about Cap, the comment section is flooded with hate for Steve.

And all the pro-Tony/anti-Steve bugs that came out of the woodwork for my last post about this? THIS is why discourse is needed and nuanced discussions about the mischaracterization of characters to the point where yall are doing this on posts that aren't even about Tony.

Steve fans will have discourse about the different elements of his character, admit his flaws, and KEEP it to ao3 or tumblr or wherever the discourse is happening.

Tony stans will go out of their way to tell the whole world how much they love Tony and hate Steve and they'll do it wherever and whenever they can. That's the difference between Steve fans and Tony stans (and I use stans for Tony because yall are bordering on cult behaviour.)

N.B. Don't take this personal cos a lot of yall got pretty upset at my last post 😭

[salty-ironstrange-shipper]

Steve: Do you know any jokes? Stephen: Your ideas.

[fandom-rants]

What’s your opinion about Tony taking Peter along with him to the airport? Of course he did NOT force him or blackmail him, people are literally making shit up to make Tony look bad (because that’s literally all they have, just words without facts) but just in general what do you think?

The way i see it, this is a good, supposed to be safe mission  preparation first mission for him, but people saying he was bad for doing this to peter.

What do you think?

I mean, storyline-wise, it's pretty forced. The MCU high-ups were like, "Spider-Man makes money; let's get him in there!" So. What can you do.

From within, I liked how we were already well past his origin story, and I loved the dynamic between two Nerdy Boys, I thought the thing about Aunt May being young was weird but fine, since I love getting away from tropes and the 'sweet grandma' trope has been beaten to death. I loved Spider-Man as he was written and acted because he was the quintessential silly nerd weirdo who got crazy excited over stuff and nerded out about weaponry and superheroes and everything.

I liked how Tony was explicitly stated to order Peter to stay back and just web them up. I like how both of them were still playing around a little bit; the "Underoos!" thing made it clear Tony wanted Steve to knock it off but never expected a real fight. Even after having Spider-Man take Steve's shield, he still didn't instigate a battle; he just wanted to use Spider-Man as a tool for de-escalation. I was pleasantly surprised, at the time, by Steve being the one to push for a battle, and for his side to end up going WAY too far over and over again, because it proved his imperfections, which I love to see in my superheroes. (I of course abhorred the backtracking in later movies.)

Overall, I thought Tony noticing Peter made sense, since Tony's been leading the Avengers in all but name since the start, no matter what anyone says about Steve, and it makes sense for Tony to be on the lookout for others like himself and the team. It also makes sense that Tony sat on this after learning who Peter was until he found he needed someone to help him get his friends back before the United States government killed them. I wasn't fond of the sudden trip to Germany, but I understood the need for speed and, with the information given about Tony's original plan, I realize he was backed against a wall and making a tough choice.

I loved how, when everything got bad as hell, Tony stopped everything and ran to Peter to order him to stand down and stay out of the fight; I loved how scared he'd been when he'd gotten to Peter's side, because the kid had been in real danger thanks to Steve's team and could have gotten hurt far worse. It is telling to me that Steve was the one to injure Peter, even after learning how young Peter was (there's no way Peter's voice was the voice of an adult, ffs), yet Steve did not ensure Peter was okay. Tony did. Tony was the one to check if the kid was all right and then ensure he stayed out of the increasingly escalating battle.

If the rest of the MCU movies hadn't come out and I hadn't been forced by a bunch of brats on the Internet to endure some of the dumbest bullshit the MCU fandom writes about how sweet angel Steve Rogers did no wrong and evil devil Tony Stark wrought the world asunder, I would actually say that I loved Civil War, for all its faults. Because Steve wanted to be a hero, Tony kept trying to hold everything together, and neither of them did a perfect job but Tony did well and Steve did horribly, and it was about time we got some character depth on Captain America and got to see Tony's merits as a leader, too.

And then. You know. The rest of the movies, and the fandom, and now I want to burn the world to ashes every time someone even mentions MCU Steve Rogers or Civil War to me.

[irondad-defensesquad]

the mcu also lacked rhodey roasting steve for treating tony like shit

[taylorkellyreporting]

i’m looking for an anti team cap fic on ao3 that i read once where either the entire team or just clint break into tony’s living quarters and finds laura and her kids there with tony watching a movie in the living room and it shocks clint cause he didn’t even know laura left the farm. i’m pretty sure peter and maybe harley are there. i vaguely remember laura’s kids either call tony dad or uncle. i’m not sure if a physical fight breaks out but i know there’s shouting. does it sound familiar to anyone? it might be part of a series.

[wanderingmind867]

I hate how Captain America and The Falcon demonized Black Power! I'm not even Black, but I hate this! It's insufferable! Look at this! From Captain America #143. Who's more reasonable here: the black power folks, or Sam Wilson, a man who works with Captain America!? The eugencics based superman currently working as a Cop in his civilian identify!:

The panels are out of order here, but it gets better! Guess who's heading up the Black Power rally? That's right: The Red Skull! An F***ing Nazi! Subtle! Real subtle! Now do you see why I hate all these Captain America comics!?:

[doodlegirl1998]

What is your opinion on the sokovia accords

Hi @zi-o3 👋,

Team Tony all the way.

And I do hate how retroactively the MCU tried to dunk on Tony's side when, realistically, if I were in the MCU as a member of the public I'd want the heroes to be accountable rather than run ammock.

The problem with the Sokovia Accords in MCU canon is a lack of exploration.

What exactly are they? What's in place for minors (like Spiderman)? What's in place for those who want to keep their identity secret (can they? Because in the comics version they can't but this version is meant to be different.) etc...

If this were all explored it could make for a riveting plot point.

Going to add a controversial point - I hate how the writers tried to make Tony the villain / wrong one of the film when they should have played it a bit more like how Snyder played Batman vs Superman.

I know Batman vs Superman gets dunked on a lot but I liked how it clearly showed the view points of both sides something that the writers failed to do in CACW.

If they had Steve reference Project Insight that film and his fears about how the Accords could have been used against them it could have given his side some weight but instead we are meant to see Steve as right when the only reasons he gives for his side boil down to:

"We should get to choose where we go..."

"But my Bucky..."

"Dont lock up Wanda! She's a 26 year old Kid!"

Yeah this was not a good film for Steve...

TLDR - to bring it back to the point - the Accords were poorly explored, criminally so, since they were the focus of the conflict and caused the implosion of the Avengers.