#but when I think about it. Sun and Moon are also technically AI. SO WOULDN'T THESE BE CLOSER TO REALITY THAN FICTION

[feralmoonlight]

*slowly closes laptop*

[visionthefox]

What do you think of the new therapy episode? I agree with several of the comments that maybe the reason Sun never got close with Solar was because he's become anti-social due to everything that happened to him, and he might expect any new friend to mistreat him(like Monty or the Glamrocks), or that they'd get killed(like what ended up happening to Solar), which doesn't help his isolation issues, could it be possible that another reason could be that Solar is an Eclipse and on some level Sun's at least a bit unnerved by Eclipses? Or it just could be that he never hung out as much like he said in the session, though I wonder if Solar's death is affecting him more than he lets on considering his reaction when it happened and how he's still thinking about how abrupt it was, the shock of it Him acknowledging that he has no idea how to move on from anything that's happened to him and that he needs to start letting himself feel rather than bottling stuff up was great, first step for actually processing all the stuff that's happened in the last two years at least, it's a long way to go still but it was said! Him also admitting that he and Moon aren't alone anymore and he's not used to support was also nice Them talking about the drinking thing was also something, we haven't actually seen Sun even tipsy have we? Meanwhile Monty's gotten drunk before and even Moon got tipsy once Earth offering to try tea alternatives with him was cute, maybe then he won't drink coffee before bed and get weird dreams again While it's good that Sun was taking a breather at the house for a mental break was good, it did feel like it wasn't wholly positive, both because of the sidelining and the isolation that really wouldn't do anybody any good, he already doesn't have many friends and spending hours alone at his house and his family doesn't really check on him or call him felt...Off, but hopefully like they said here he'll be getting more involved now Let Sun be smart! He is smart! They definitely need to talk with Moon he's working himself ragged trying to revive Solar(and doing it the wrong way) Now Sun wondering if he and Moon separating was a bad thing was interesting, technically he's right in that a lot of what's happened in the show(mainly Eclipse, Bloodmoon, and everyone else after being created) was because of that, but at the same time both were suffering badly, Moon was trapped in a sensory-deprived void and the times when he was let out he hurt Sun and/or other people because of KC, and Sun had to deal with the pain, the aftermath, and threats from Moon, both were in a bad way, so while everything happened because of the separation, they couldn't have known, and they needed to be free to move forwards There was a lot of stuff to talk about, though I personally felt like there was more that ended up being unaddressed, but who knows, there was still a lot! What do you think?

ok- had to get a look at the ep- I may be bias and feel like Sun lied the whole time with his soft spoke "yea" but ok, vision shuh ANON! I do agree on the fact he is not used to actually be with others animtronics, other people thats not work related, he doesnt have friends! no one ok, fam can be friends but is not the same, to just hang out with a bestie or chat all day of other stuffs thats not work related, I do feel he pretty much lock himself in a golden cage, with stuffs to keep him distracted but always looking over those who do have the things he wished.. so suddently theres a new guy, everyone saw him as a new friend, yet Sun just coudnt bring himself to make any connection, if you saw Freddy's channel, he even refuse to meet new people! is clear he rather be "left alone" - and I guess is because he is just unsure and worried to mess up- than deal with someone else .. I myself im someone who never talks to other friends, if only to wish good days.. so is soooo stressfull to start over a new relationship, Sun is been used to be alone, he cant just be a social AI suddently.. I dont think it was only because he was an eclipse, Sun himself doenst seem scared of Copy Eclipse! but I think it was because Solar himself didnt walked to him and tried to get to know him. (we can assume the guilt didnt let him be friends with yet another sun!) So yea, Sun didnt knew exacly how to be close to someone else .. he spends most days alone, is hard to try to connect with someone that is already looking away from you.. then suddently, another death, I guess his shock is due to how.. similar? this situation is ot OldMoon death. he tried to- but was too late, the emotions are similar- I guess is why he cant just move on just yet- too much to unlock- he now carry both the guilt of "I didnt do enough" and the "I didnt even knew him that well to suffer like others do" since he does say it, he feels like he's not as sad as the others and that bother him.. also yea, he is been in the side of this all, and I guess thats why he feels less and sad too..in a way, yes. the fans asked for him to get a break. get him a safe place- but again this safe place end up being a Golden Cage, not the solution the character needed. Im a og, I still recalled the momen Sun asked US, if he was useless, if he was really just a waste of time and space, and I dont think being literally in the seat while all your family is out there living life is helping that feeling. also I dont recall the ep- but I have this video with all the audio of the show (also is soo cool) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdthgIorNzI he got a support group, ok nice, yet there people stared out as strangers that didnt had the best entrance to his life, plus, those people dont come to him often, HE was to come, and may feel like a bit sad to think "they only come to me when they need me, if im not needed, im left alone" yet he knows better- but logic and feelings dont always go together.. I guess is why he drinks too, to feel someting else than stress and sadness, he did try to be better, look after himelf - if Im not needed, nor I help, I better step away- but he end up being too away.. only to know from gossip and rumors whats up But still now, he steps in to help only because he knows better now, Moon's dont just rest until they reach their goal, is stuffs happening all over again.. I can only hope this "therapy" and Sun maybe , just maybe hoping to be usefull can resul on the Sun and Moon show to be,, about SUN AND MOON together.. did I made sense anon? sorry if I didnt. anyways! LOVE YOUR IDEAS TOO ANON!!

[thatropoenthusaist]

This is Just A Thought I had when I saw people talk about pre-reset Moon and how he could come back and whatever. I guess this could also be for KC since it technically tackles both? I haven't really seen anybody talk about this,,, possibility? But to be fair, I only joined a few months ago and there's probably a plethora of theories on how it could happen, so I might be coincidentally reiterating someone.

This is probably the most... Plainest way OM and KC could come back. And the most obvious. But I don't really care tbh.

I'm pretty sure it's impossible for Old Moon or KC to come back in any capacity through Moon. He has nothing in his hard drive that would make it possible for them to return, that was the whole point of not backing up memories after all. Plus, Moon is still the "same", technically. For OM to reform through him, just wouldn't make sense.

The only way I see it ever happening is through an old backup. It's plausible methinks. Moon was a paranoid person. Computer got system wiped when the AI's "died", so I don't think any of OM's backups would still be there. But I wouldn't doubt that OM made multiple copies of his backups. Maybe in a different computer in a bunker, or maybe he made physical copies.

Maybe a TSAMS' antagonist finds one of Old Moon's backups someway somehow and decides to be a little shit and rebuild OM with it. Who would? Idk. Moon would be pissed that the version of him he hates so much is physically back and Sun would probably have conflicting feelings. So that's reasoning enough, I guess.

It would technically be OM? Similar to Eclipse V2 since I think he was a backup, my memory is bad so I might be wrong. What are the classifications that consider an AI to be a "different person" from what they were previously?? That whole thing is confusing, I'm not going to touch that.

And depending on how old the backup is, KC would be there as well, I guess.

Do I want this to happen in canon? Ehh… Not really? There's just too much going on currently, and I have no idea how this could go within the plot. But I do think it's a cool idea. And one I find logical to me, at least.

[catflowerqueen]

I don't know if I'll actually get the chance to bring it up in-story, so I might as well just post here how the Eclipse situation was dealt with in my "Snapshots of Mars" series. Or at least the basics.

So, a lot of this was conceptualized back when it seemed like Roxanne actually would be more involved in working with Eclipse, as well as before Baby got shattered, so this is definitely in AU/canon divergence territory now and I'm not really getting into the nitty gritty of what all actually happened beyond what I already put in the first entry. Basically, it was kind of a big all-out brawl situation with a lot of involvement from the others, even if most of it was unintentional on their parts. And Bloodmoon's actual involvement isn't exactly set in stone yet beyond the fact that they are still around in their own body.

...And have been placated mostly by working at Fazerblast as a hard-mode enemy, and probably management capitalized on this even more and made an official paintball arena so they can pretend the red paint is actually blood.

Anyways--building off of what the Creator told Moon about how he and Sun weren't supposed to be separated, they couldn't actually kick Eclipse out like they did in canon because that would just run the risk of Sun's processes trying to compensate for the loss by creating yet another AI, and that is just entirely too dangerous and unpredictable. So, instead, they basically just created an impenetrable prison of tech and magic and quarantined Eclipse there under the equivalent to a sleeping spell (both so he couldn't scheme his way out and so he wouldn't start going mad from the isolation--which is not only incredibly inhumane, but also really dangerous in case he did break out somehow).

This means that he is still technically around, linked to Sun and fulfilling his purpose from a tech and coding perspective, but isn't exactly a threat anymore. And it also opens up the possibility that they might be able to find a better solution or rehabilitation method later on. But that would be way down the line, and likely wouldn't get talked about during my series.

The "link" this is also kind of how they've tethered Bloodmoon? Or at least the possibility for it is there in case Bloodmoon ever becomes unstable--if they establish a link between them and Sun/Moon/Lunar, it could help stabilize them even if the link itself is just a tenuous line of connection and basically amounts to little more than tricking the system into thinking there is another AI there when there actually isn't--or, well, not to any greater extent than basically just having a really fast way to ping or send a message to whoever they were linked with, and maybe some sort of "psychic link" that is little more than a private phone line.

And if Lunar ever decided he did want his own body, all they would have to do is make sure he still retains the same sort of link with Moon. They might make it a bit of a bigger one that lets them talk more easily and directly if they want, since the two of them do get along fairly well, but mostly its just there as a precaution so that neither Moon nor Lunar gets another AI sibling randomly spawned to compensate for the loss of the stabilizing function they serve as for each other.

Hope that makes sense.

[kamuucab]

I saw a theory that the virus does 2 main things to the AI, ramps up everyone's security settings (or most settings which explains their personalities being so...intense) and blocks safety measures.

So when Freddy booted up in safe mode, it effectively cut him off as he no longer had active security protocols for the virus to infect. I personally think Freddy was also infected but this is why he didn't hunt Gregory. Additionally, as the face of the company, his personality would include a lot of good traits including a protective, fatherly appearance for the kids.

Also, this might explain why Sun didn't try to kill Gregory either. Sun is meant to watch over and keep the children safe and entertained above all else. He likely does not have security protocol beyond "if there's a problem call security". If he did, it could possibly scare the kids and they wouldn't want those conplaints. This is why he hones in on Gregory. Trying to keep him in one place rather than letting him wander. It's also why he's so paranoid about the lights. The lights turning off pose a threat to the child's safety. But breaking rules throws that off and kicks in his security feature of "call security" so Sun tosses Gregory out cause he posed a "threat" to himself after breaking the rules.

And Moon likely has more security protocol, being designed to sweep the plex at night and possibly acting as a retrieval unit for animatronics who miss their recharge or are malfunctioning (hence why he drags a kind of damaged and low powered Freddy to the maintenance cylinder. He's supposed to put them to bed or take them to the machine version of a doctor). Moon is also a caretaker though, and I personally think he has both jobs running at once while infected and that's why his taunts are what they are. (Punish bad kids, put kids to sleep, "hidey hide" likely comes from him being used to kids who don't wanna sleep hiding from nap time, and so on.). And Moon also waves at Gregory while Gregory is in the charging station because technically that's... A bed. A "sleep" place. Sure it's a resting place for an animatronic but I doubt that's really something he'd put together as he was.

Interesting! Likely regarding Freddy, maybe the override into Safe Mode essentially stopped the virus from creating chaos as the coding it was working with was deactivated, and thus it followed suite.

Interesting part about Moon as well, very much 'rule following' turned to an eleven due to security settings going wacky (that idea with the wave is really cute I gotta say, like just imagining them thinking 'oh ok yeah that's where he's supposed to be. Good.")