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bciwasinlove · 1 year
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I saw an anon about how this stunt is making them want to leave [after being around for many, many years]. I don't know if I'm just an emotional-less ahole when it comes to this stuff [probably], but how is this what makes someone want to leave?
Honestly, how does random walking through the streets of LA pics make one want to leave but Haylor NY "romantic kiss", Hendall yacht "icloud leak", Holivia yacht "love fest", Danis yacht "oh la la" pics, Elounor yacht and Italy outing didn't?
But either way, if it does make one want to leave, why do people make a big stink about it sending out anons to others complaining about everything when they could just delete their acc and go instead?
The way I see it, L&H are just two closeted people doing the best they can to exist in an industry run by homophobic people. This is part of the reality they [and I] must accept [not like but accept]. Once you learn to accept that things are a lot easier and if they don't get easier for you, then just leave instead of sticking around and constantly being miserable.
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fallingsunflower · 1 year
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Harry Styles Body Language 
Hellooo okay here we go. This is just my educated opinion. I have minor experience in body language analysis through my studies (I'm in graduate school currently for psychology) and through work (I used to work in a behavioral school and a psychiatric hospital). None of this is meant to be a diagnosis or taken to be 100% real. Like I said, it's just an opinion.
I've done seldom analyses before. The original ask was asked A WHILE ago and they requested Olivia be included. That was before the stunt ended so I really don't want to bring her back up now lol I'll put some links down below of other analyses I've done if you're interested though x
Holivia body language
Harry's general facial expressions with/without Olivia
Another facial expression comparison
Yacht pics analysis
Olivia body language
I also did a regular Harry one a while ago but I can't for the life of me find it.
This is a general Harry analysis. I will do one about him with men soon, and Kendall since that was requested.
I suspect Harry is quite shy and probably somewhat anxious. He definitely doesn't come off like this all the time. I call it the "anxiety clause". There are certain situations in which shy people come out of their shell. I also think Harry is well trained to appear more extraverted than he actually is. He's pretty hard to read tbh but I'll tell you a little of why I think the way I do.
Harry does this thing every now and then where he covers his face with one or both of his hands when he's laughing, or in some kind of shocking/attention grabbing scenario. Could be read as someone who's hiding behind a shield. And tying into that, it could be read as someone who just needs a moment to process. It's a brief act of the body saying "whoah I need a moment to take this all in and digest what's happening". You have the wrists turned inward towards the face (a subconscious thing people do when they feel vulnerable or feel like they need to protect themselves) and you have the eyes being covered shielding off that sense. Everyone has some kind of motion they subconsciously do while protecting themselves. Some have more obvious ones than others, like this. Traditionally speaking, it exhibits traits of a protector vs a "hunter", for lack of a better word.
It's also a trait of embarrassment.
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He also does this thing with his hands where he balls them up. I think some people call it "sweater paws" depending on what he's wearing. This is usually associated with nervousness or anxiety. It's a comfort tick people do to calm down, again mostly subconsciously.
And yes I KNOW he could just be cold but I'm making my analysis based on a plethora of factors 😭
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Also speaking of hands, he plays around a lot with his. Like his hands are always fidgeting. I noticed this A LOT at the MSG show I went to when I was in Pit. It was painfully obvious. Like fidgeting with the mic, the mic wire, his ear piece, etc. I think that's partially why he likes playing the guitar while performing. Keeping your hands preoccupied helps with nervousness.
Tip: if you ever get anxious, roll a hair pin back and forth between your fingers.
He also touches his hair and lips a lot, which are typically lumped with anxiety. One doesn't equal the other btw. Just saying what they're usually related to.
And then I usually pay attention to posture and other subtle nonverbal cues. I could go on and on about it but sometimes Harry stands somewhat unsure of himself, or he subconsciously makes himself smaller. It's not always equal to anxiety or nervousness. It could also just be him being introverted, shy, or even sad. Sometimes posture is dependent on mood, rather than personality. And sometimes there are cultural differences. We all have nonverbal cues - that's universal. But keep in mine I'm from the US while Harry is from England. There might be some cultural differences.
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These ^ are things I usually look for. And there are way more examples but this is just a basic visual. Harry generally falls under the closed posture.
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These are some general examples of closed posture. You can probably find more also. I usually look for hand/arm placement.
Hands behind the back, or crossed arms/folded hands is typically a way of cutting off communication or putting a barrier between yourself and another person.
Now sometimes yes, hands behind back can mean confidence or superiority, but I look at other things to accompany it too. I look at posture, facial expressions, and if the muscles are relaxed or not. So based on my opinion, I think it's solely just Harry shielding himself. It could be read a couple different ways but again, this is my opinion.
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And the "groin blocking" is usually something people do when they're nervous or insecure. It could also be a submissive thing, or an indicator of shyness.
Also yes these aren't the best examples and it's not how Harry is 1000% of the time, but it's something I've noticed.
These are examples of open posture in regards to sitting:
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And to differentiate between a casual stance and a shy/closed stance, I usually look at a couple different variables. It's not just about the hands. It's about the posture. It's about the content being discussed. It's about the environment. There's a lot more going into it than just saying "oh look at where his hands are". You can't make a fair assumption on just one thing. Not that any of my assumptions are 100% fair - obviously they're not because I don't know Harry personally - but I try to analyze the best I can when needed.
There's also one other picture I cannot find for the life of me. It's Harry sitting down in 2020, and he's wearing a sweater vest. He just looks so shy in that picture. It's one of my main arguments and I literally can't find the pic. If someone knows what I'm talking about, please send it to me.
Anyways, these are just my thoughts. I could talk more about it too but those are my main, initial thoughts :)
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alarrytale · 3 months
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Are you getting annoyed that so many harries believe that H and T are in love and believe in their relationship? Ngl I enjoyed when they were calling holivia out and saw through the fakery. Now I see so many comments under their photos of how cute they are and that Harry protects their relationship and privacy.
It seems he is gonna use this stunt for the next album promo and I expect him to be more talkative than before and say how much he enjoys being around her. Idg what she gets from it, as for now most of the pics are cropped from their vacay (unless we get very soon some explicit yacht pics)
Hi, anon!
No, i don't get annoyed. You can’t live your life being annoyed at people who don't have the same information you do, is as educated on the subject as you or is gaslighted or mislead to believe differently. The only thing you can do is try to educate them and accept that there will always be people like this. You're not better or have more of a say than they do. They're allowed an opinion just like you are. Freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a good thing. So i just let them be wrong and let them be. People are also allowed to change opinions, so if people want information or get educated i welcome that.
I think he's going to use it as album promo aswell (if he's even writing an album right now...). I'm not sure if he's going to to be more talkative about her though. He can't claim private relationship and privacy (lmao as if) and then go talk gush about her. Same reason i don't think we'll get explicit yacht pics. Also, i'm not sure H is willing to do that. Can he lie that much in interviews? Is he willing to be seen as more of a hypocrite than he already is? Also, he's towing a line here. He is stunting, yes, but look how the last stunt went. He needs to tread carefully and not piss off his fans. Larries/pr stunt believers would be mad if he suddenly started waxing poetic about her. Might have the opposite effect during promo.
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persephoneflouwers · 1 year
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But where is the praise? He’s just getting roasted left and right💀. But also one thing i hate about celebrities is that they cry for privacy but at the same time are kissing on a busy street. During holivia he was all about having a private life while parading all over london, italy and la and the same with louis with plastering his “kid’s” face all over the internet and doc. And I was just taking to my friend who grew up in japan pda is apparently looked down on.
The praise is not coming from gp. They don’t care what we think. If they cared of what us, fans or gp, think, they would have stopped way before Holivia. The praise comes from Industry people. The one who delivers money and awards. Harry is such a good boy, the best boy, he seems to be okay with whatever. That’s the praise. When you behave and producers and directors say “he’s such a nice guy, so talented from his age” which you can decide to believe or not, it depends on who says it lmao
Celebrities are full of shit. They ask for privacy but the moment their ig accounts start losing engagement they pretend to post a picture and delete it. They pretend their iCloud was hacked and they hire paps for the yacht pics. They put their 7 years old kid in their documentary that will be distributed in cinemas worldwide and people will say it’s to protect him lmao celebs are detouched from real life I fear
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twopoppies · 1 year
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I think that a lot of people in the industry know that Harry is queer. I noticed on IG in particular that a lot of gay men in the entertainment industry follow him and they also tend to follow people in Harry's social circle. I remember that Roman Kemp tweeted a pic of a rainbow unicorn pool float when the pics of Holivia on the yacht began to surface. Greg James has alluded to Harry's sexuality too (on radio!). SO many people have, whether it is people he works with or friends or other gay men which makes me think that he is really open about it in the industry. Do you think these people know about Louis?
I think Roman is actually friendly with them both outside of radio interviews. And I'd imagine Greg knows, or at least heavily suspects, because he's been around them as a band and worked around Nick for so long. I think many of the gay men I see following Harry on social media know he's not straight in the same way we "know"––they pick up on his signaling.
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Could you please explain what was so embarrassing about Holivia? Not a fan of her at all, neither as a director nor of her brand of feminism, but I think she did the best she could in a difficult situation. The misogyny was vile, she handled it well. The relationship was still fake, you don't let the public witness the start of your relationship with your boss who might have left her little kids' father for you! Yacht pr is fine and can be very real and straight, but not in that time frame 🤣
It's not really fair that you get the brunt of this anon - but I fucking hate the qualifiers. Why have I got more asks criticising Olivia's feminism (which definitely exists and is an active part of her life) than Harry's (which you cannot say that of)? Why would I give a fuck about what you think about her as a director (if you are a film buff and have extensive thoughts about her directorial approach based on your analysis of both DWD and Booksmart then that opinion might be relevant, but not to this blog). This ask really shows the way that fucked up double standards have been normalised in this fandom and I hate it and will try and disrupt it.
And on another note - I don't find your argument at all convincing. January 2021 was not the start of their relationship. People do all sorts of things with their boss who might have left their kids father. I don't understand what timeframes have to do with the yacht pics. I struggle to believe the Harry and Olivia relationship was real - but random statements about what 'you' would do, which don't actually reflect what happened are not why.
Anyway to answer the substantive question, there are two things that I thought about Harry and Olivia's relationship while they happened and which the phrase 'too embarrassing not to be true' resonated with (although I don't think it's necessarily exactly what was going on. I will also say that something can be embarrassing and people still deal with it well. I find the idea that something is embarrassing means that someone did something wrong completely misunderstands the role of shame in our society).
First, think there were definitely rumours around Hollywood that Olivia wasn't always on set when shots were taking place, because she was having sex with Harry. I feel like the number of people who have talked (on podcasts for example) about hearing those rumours from different sources, suggest that there is something more to this than fandom generated hatred (but it is difficult to rule out - because sometimes things do become real that have been imagined whole cloth). The fact that rumours exist doesn't mean they're true - assessing if a rumour actually exists within a community is different from assessing its truth. And there are alternative explanations for this. If Olivia was dealing with crises that meant she couldn't always be on set - then people thinking it was because she was having sex with Harry Styles might be less embarrassing than the truth. But I do think that the fact that those rumours seem to have existed is important to note.
Second, the messiness of Olivia and Jason's split and the way Harry was occasionally threaded in there in third party tabloid stories and court documents. Again there are alternate explanations and there's lots we don't know, but it shouldn't be minimised.
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wellthatwasaletdown · 9 months
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there's already rumors of him with girls this last week lmao I loved when people spill the tea everytime the media tries to put him in a relationship with someone I remember when articles about h and Olivia came out everyday called them a super serious relationship and how they are into each other and loved together and he loves her these people were laughing about it and telling how he was with other people just these days like when the yatch pics came out people spilled he was with some woman in Italy just before she arrived and he wasn't even hidding
HOlivia had been dating for over 6 months by the time the yacht pics came out.
Also, you have to consider that one of the parties was desperate for attention, so articles coming out everyday, highlighting that party, shouldn't have been surprising.
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butterflyrry · 9 months
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I’m sorry but if someone manages to get paparazzi pics of him in the middle of the ocean on a yacht 3 TIMES then i’m going to sideye it alright don’t cancel me😭😭
Don't be surprised if it does happen. Because, you know, hes only got 4 shows, and then hes got a lot of time off and wasn't it around the same time? Or at least in the July when we got the photos of him in the last lady he was with.
The Holivia yacht pics initially dropped on July 5, 2021. I will never forget that fucking day and the rest of the week when we got 100s of photos.
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astranva · 2 years
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Nova, I am a stupid fan girl so I try to avoid Harry's pics and stuff with his partners 😂 they make me feel very single lol but I don't think that Olivia and Harry are doing a PR stunt. Like look at them they hardly do anything interesting together lol he never talks about their relationship publicly and she never posts anything about him though she is super active on Instagram. If this is a stunt then it is the most boring stunt of all time lol like almost all the pics we get are of them walking around various cities and are clicked by random fans. The only time it kinda shocked me was when we got those Yacht pictures lol but I think many celebs get clicked on such yachts, right? 😂 he kinda looks happy with her, plus isn't it his longest-running relationship to date?
i don’t have an opinion about it being a stunt or not, but i just noticed that it’s very unlike his relationship with camille, which was very, very private and it made sense because he’s also a private person?
idk, i don’t want to get into more holivia talk because it’s just a never-ending loop xx
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cuddlerlouis · 2 years
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I saw a tweet saying the Holivia yacht pics were a year ago today (which is crazy!!!) but it just made me realize how some people still act like it’s like week two of Harry/Olivia and not like a year and a half. I don’t know how people maintain that kind of energy and annoyance. I’ve also seen some people act like Olivia is “going rogue” or wishes it wasn’t fake and it’s so weird lol. Like it’s real or it’s not that’s it.
no like,,, it's been a year and a half, things are always the same, like nothing different from past public relationships as well and yet. like what are you complaining about and wishing for camille to be back or saying she was better when in 2017 you were saying the exact same things about her??? and what annoys me the most is people shaming olivia or dragging her non-stop for things absolutely not related to harry or their relationship. and even when related to harry it's always the most awful disrespectful things so like? grow up stop caring so much and you'll see life is so much better
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bciwasinlove · 1 year
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I don’t think its as simple as you put it.after being here for so many years its just a pile of bullshit with louis and even the smallest things like this stunt (which is small compared to other shit)could be breaking point.i think the problem is that we saw how louis was able to be for four years without seeing the kid or bringing him to uk,he was able to have low key beard as eleanor. So why sudden change?people are confused and tired. there really is no point of bringing new girl in just few weeks after “break up”that is basically nobody and wont to anything for him publicity wise. So why do it?is it that bad that he is “single” for more then two minutes?like what is the point of this stunt?I am genuinely asking.so its not that simple as poeple being mad at him just for strolling LA with her but everything combined and just a bad timinig after years of constant bullshit
There are alot of things that have been done over the years that have made no sense. Holivia happening [at all] made no sense, Dani happening right after Elounor 1.0 of 5 years made no sense, Elounor 2.0 being seeded only a few weeks after Dani was gone made no sense and most of Elounor 2.0 nothing happened so why did they bring Eleanor back at all ?? Random BG mentions didn't make sense, seeding rumors of a 17 year old kid moving in with/fucking a 32 year old grown ass woman didn't make any more sense than this did!When has anything their labels done ever made sense?
This is nowhere near the worst thing we have ever seen, so it's my personal opinion to wonder how this could be what makes someone want to nope out. 2015/16 BG or the "leaked" Hendall yacht pics makes more sense to me but why this why now?
My biggest deal isn't even why would one leave bc of this but it's that there are people who are miserable and stick around just to complain. Bc the people complaining, it's not just a one-time thing. These are the same people who have been complaining about nearly everything L and H have been doing for like 3 years. With louis, as of late they constantly have been complaining about ALL of louis FITF promo interviews and what he says in them. It's just exhausting if you're that miserable just leave why stay and make this fandom worse for everyone else?
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daydreamrry · 2 years
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I wish I had came to tumblr when the pr started. Especially in July. My heart sank when I saw those pictures of them on the yacht. Also, I thought that they were a PR couple and I got death threats for the Holivia stans??
that’s all they do bestie, they don’t have a valid argument to use against us lmao.
i remember being on tumblr when those pics dropped, it was before i created this blog, and it was a mess 😭 people were mostly pointing out how planned it was though, even those who were on team real.
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starktripleimposter · 1 month
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Maybe you’re thinking of the Holivia yacht pics? His swim shorts were normal there but one leg hiked up? The most recent Italy boat pics they were low and it seems like he has done that since his early 1D days? I think he does it more when he knows the paps are there lol
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This little british shit.....yeah I know what yall mean now lmao
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stylesunchained · 1 year
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Harry was on a yacht in Perth yesterday and Brad, his PT, was with him. And since people started to make jokes that they are fucking or whatever like last year, people are now running crazy with theories about why they’re on a yacht together and that this is proof they’re together. Also others are calling others out if they don’t think they’re together because it’s “homophobic” when in reality majority of people don’t care but find it weird that there are people obsessing over Harrys love life when they claim that they don’t care but since he could he with a man they’re all over it
These are the same people who spent all year saying a yacht pic doesn't make holivia real (I don't think it was, just using their example) but if Harry is in a yacht with 5 men, including Brad that's proof they're dating.
He can’t be friends with any human being be it man or woman or non binary or anything else because then it immediately means he’s fucking them. He can only befriend animals and inanimate objects, from now on.
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twopoppies · 2 years
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What I always try to remind myself whenever this stuff happened is that I always feel really crappy and upset abt it and think I’ll never be able to get over it. I felt like that when holivia started, when the yacht pics happened, when the whole Christmas shit show with Louis happened I got quite upset as Christmas is a hard time for me bc of some family issues so it definitely didn’t help. But I’m always fine after a while usually after I go do something I enjoy or just taking a break. And I have gotten better at not letting stuff phase me but sometimes it still hurts especially the big stuff. But I try to remind myself that it’ll be crappy and I’ll feel shitty but it won’t be that way forever and I’ll be ok soon.
Hi sugar. I think that’s a really healthy way to approach it. Nothing lasts forever. The shit will always come and go, and there will be marvelous stuff in between. It’s important to be able to get some distance…
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How do you define fandom distress?  To me its something that causes temporary anxiety over something that occurred acutely. For example Harry after the Grammys with the spinning stage (fans upset for Harry that his performance was unfairly affected) or his winning speech (fans fighting with general public who attacked him for misinterpreting his words) or the release of the kissing yacht pics (fans upset over stunt and further closeting).  However long the stress and anxiety lasted, whether it was one week like with the Grammys or 2 years like with Holivia, ultimately everyone knew there would be an end.
I wouldn't say bg is just fandom anxiety masquerading as outrage. What happened to Louis and Freddie is something that justifies outrage. Its something that will exist for or have lasting effects for the entirety of both their lives. If we're in agreement he's not the biological father, unless this is all just a cover for him chosing to have a baby via surrogacy, then fatherhood was forced upon him.  And now Freddie, who didn't ask for any of this,  will have to go through life having to reconcile Louis being in his life.  I'm not saying fans should continue to be outraged over what happened, choosing to accept that Louis is presenting as a father I think is best for everyone. But saying that this whole thing is just fandom distress and Louis is now a "cool person" in Freddies life is minimizing whats happened. And if I'm being honest, it's straight up gaslighting.
I define fan distress relatively straight forwardly - it's when something happens that disrupts a fan's experience in a way that causes distress. It can happen for all sorts of reasons - but I think mostly it's either about not meeting expectations (I would say the Grammys was an example of that) or something happening which challenges the story someone is telling.
But not everything that happens that doesn't meet expectations or disrupts a story causes us distress. Distress is a result of that disruption touching something that has meaning to the fan or important to the fan (often related to anxiety, but not always). I have an anon about the Grammys that is very honest about their feelings of distress and you'll see what I mean when I finally get round to answering it. Anyway the important point is that fan distress is ultimately about us as fans, far more than it is about the person they are talking about.
A couple of things I disagree with your framing about. The first is that a feature of fandom distress is that everyone knows it's going to end. First of all we don't know the future. Holivia might not have ended - we might have been wrong and they might have got married or had children. But also, I don't think the length of time that something might happen is at all relevant to fandom distress. Fandom distress is when something triggers distress in a fan - it doesn't matter how long it lasts for.
You also seem to think that distress and outrage are two different things. But one of the core dynamic of fandom is that it gives people a way to avoid sitting with their distress. Rather than experiencing feelings brought up by fandom, people distance themselves, by pretending that rather than having an individual reaction about how this touches on their life, they are being outraged by something that is objectively wrong.
Your second paragraph is basically a text book example of this anon. Particularly the way that you jump to a very narrow option 'this was forced on Louis' and use that leap to present your feelings as objective rather than personal.
I really want to push back about your use of the term gaslighting (in general I hate its over use and the way that has ended up blunting what was a useful tool to describe emotional abuse). I didn't say that Louis was a cool person in Freddie's life - I said that I hoped that Louis was a cool person in Freddie's life. But even if I had said that - it would just be a difference of opinion - people are going to disagree with you about celebrities.
And celebrities do lie about their life, they're totally entitled to lie about their lives and they don't owe you the truth. (They're also obviously allowed to continue to live a life that fans think isn't true - either could be going on here). The idea that gaslighting could be involved here is based on the idea that you are owed the truth - and you are not.
It's not minimising anything to call something fandom distress. Fandom distress is the reason any of this matters to people. And ultimately it doesn't matter to people because of Louis or because of Freddie, because of us and our feelings.
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