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starlightomatic · 1 year
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Wow, thank you JewWhoHasItAll for posting this helpful guide! Now I can support my Christian students much better :)
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thekosheraisle · 1 year
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If you saw this image that people were making fun of for conflating Christmas and Hanukkah, check out this new version made by JewWhoHasItAll.  
Imagine if everyone assumed Christmas was about what Hanukkah is about.
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moonfableflor · 1 year
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School choirs shouldn't be allowed to force people to sing songs about Christianity, I've had to sing the Hallelujah Chorus, some stupid Mary and Jesus song medley, and now a song about Moses fighting for holiness or whatever – and the only non-christian songs we've had to sing that have to do with any culture whatsoever are African and Jewish. And the teacher hooked that he'd wear a menorah on his head while conducting the Mary-Jesus song medley. He's repeatedly said that you don't have to believe anything you're singing but only about the non-christian ones, the christian ones he'd always like 'yeah!! put some energy into it!! don't you just love this song?!!' I'm pretty sure that's not exactly fit for a school environment bestie
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darkeyedghost · 2 years
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Actually you know what fuck my school for scheduling all these super important events on basically the day of rosh hashanah
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Random things I have learned over the past ~ year, in no particular order:
- Not to take wifi access for granted
- You can feed goat kits with cow milk
- How to Make A Book (with thread and needle and cardboard and and and)
- How to Not Get Into An Argument with antivaxxers despite every fibre of my being wanting me to scream
- Jeh0vah’s W/tnesses get exactly one (1) holiday per year. That’s it. Everything else is Evil Paganism.
- Goat kits learn Very Quickly that Humans = Food. They will try to eat everything on you. Every. Thing.
- I am So Bi and So Polyamorous my guys,,,, hhghghghk
- I can walk 14km in a day with 800m of dénivelé, and sleep Fuckall that night because Something in how my body functions I guess is Fundamentally Broken and no amount of physical exhaustion can Make me sleep if brain has decided No Sleep
- I might sometimes experience sexual attraction, maybe??? with the right person??? This Is New.
- How to crochet a unicorn
- Some people are so deeply entrenched in what I can only call Christianormativity that they think you can faire abstraction of the religious element in a play that is literally about the fucking,,,, birth of Jesus (my guys,,,,,,, ????)
- Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs are Gorgeous, one of the only two True Wolfdog Breeds, and they have Extremely Strong pack instincts and Do Not Like when members of the pack are too far ahead or falling behind. The pack includes humans.
- I was gonna mention part of the plot of Warrior Cats here, a book series I have never read but of which a recent aquaintance/friend-in-the-making is a Huge Fan and has told me about but alas, my brain has already discarded everything but the names (from the French translations) Pelage de Lion and Plume de Jais
- there is no better feeling in this world than the person you have a crush on carding their fingers through your hair hhhghhhg
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miraculousnoromance · 2 years
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Astruc said that religion is not allowed on Miraculous Ladybug, but "Dearest Family" is set on Three Kings Day. Three Kings Day is one of the most religious holidays ever.
Christianormativity at its finest
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whimperandabang · 4 years
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some things i want to see in jewish representation
 - research research research. i cannot stress this enough. goyim do your research if you’re gonna write a jewish character because otherwise you’ll end up with lavinia asimov and none of us want that. talk to real jewish people! and all kinds of jewish people, too. because we are not a monolith---there are so many different sects of judaism and so many different subcultures. talk to orthodox, conservative, reform jews. ashkenazim and sephardim. i could go on (and if you don’t know what those terms mean, DO YOUR RESEARCH.)
- let us be explicitly framed as beautiful within the text! so many antisemitic stereotypes revolve around ugliness. i’d love to see some positivity surrounding jewish features in the media. (note: DO NOT SEXUALIZE OR FETISHIZE US. THAT IS GROSS AND UNACCEPTABLE.)
- let us be love interests/have a love interest please. write jewish love stories! personally i’m not a huge fan of romance, but i would 100% read a romance where the characters’ jewish identities affect the plot/character development/etc. (this also kind of goes along with the last point---let us be seen as beautiful within the text, and above all, let us be lovable.)
- write jewish characters in all genres. let us be in romance (re: my last point), fantasy, sci-fi, historical fiction (because newsflash: jewish people have always existed!), anything you can think of!
- it’s okay to write stories with jewish characters that aren’t about being jewish/the jewish experience. in fact, goyim probably shouldn’t write stories with jewish characters that are about being jewish/the jewish experience! but if a character is jewish, the character has to be jewish in all the ways that count. i’m not saying your character must be orthodox or otherwise particularly observant. in fact, i would love to see some conservative jewish rep! (conservative as in the jewish sect, not the political stance.) but you can’t just have your character make a few poorly researched throwaway comments about things vaguely related to jewish culture and be done with it. it should be presented as an important part of the character’s identity, and it should be constantly threaded throughout the story.
- handle antisemitism with care. if your character is jewish, the chances are 100% that their lives have been affected by antsemitism in some way. but again, RESEARCH IS KEY, and in this case it’s especially important that you talk to real jewish people.
- please please please recognize and watch out for christianormativity. obviously, this is related to representing any minority religion, but i’m gonna put it here. christianormativity affects pretty much every aspect of western culture, and when writing jewish characters and characters of other minority religions, you really have to examine yourself and think about what you might be writing your non-christian character as doing or saying without thinking about it that really only christian or christianized atheist characters might do or say. again, talk to people who belong to the demographic you’re representing!
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antilethean · 3 years
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Mannn I get so angry abt Christianormativity but like it’s not a productive anger...I want to be calmer abt this so I can help people understand that it’s a thing but oh my god the absolute ignorance, the unquestioning acceptance of Christianity as the default. & the worst part is, Christianity *is* the largest religion in the world, so it’s not a completely unfounded assumption. But that just makes me angry about the eradication of other cultures and religions aaaaaah I’m frustrated
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chaossmagic · 3 years
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Completely ignoring the fact Christians gave up Easter too. I'd never not gone to church on Easter Sunday before this year.
True, but that was during the first lockdown. All the other holidays except for Passover and the first half of Ramadan took place later in the year. All were given up. Now there are even tougher restrictions in place with exceptions STILL being made for Christmas when the same accommodations were not offered for other religious holidays.
There's also a distinction between cultural and religious Christians and it's the former that prevailed because Christianity in name only is what brings in money (Easter eggs, Christmas presents/decorations/food/trees) while religious practice isn't as important generally speaking, when there is no such distinction as such for other faiths.
I am sorry that you weren't able to attend church services or worship as you normally would. It doesn't change the fact that Christianormativity is harmful to marginalized cultures and faiths who are also significant numbers of the population.
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stfudiscoinfernoed · 5 years
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Christianormativity is having your holidays be considered national holidays while everyone else have to use leave to celebrate/observe their own.
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jewishqweer · 5 years
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is it just me?
i hate christmas time because i’m sick and tired of everything christmas 24/7. you’ve heard of heteronormativity, well this is christianormativity. there’s no escaping it. everywhere you go, there’s christmas stuff. there’s too much. if you don’t like it, sue me
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starlightomatic · 2 years
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truly so many lefty jews on jewbook, jwitter, etc seem to think that judaism is just the opposite of christianity in every way, and also that judaism is synonymous with the very narrow slice of lefty judaism they’ve encountered
like that tweet that’s like “jewish music is about sex and food and how much fun being alive is and christian music is about being excited to die” and its like ok but thats. that not what jewish music is about. the closest i can think of is dumpster dive by schmekel but even that is somewhat tongue in cheek and not fully cheery which tbh! is actually common in jewish music and culture!
like it was clearly just this person heard shapenote songs or whatever and was like “wow that’s morbid and super goyish” which, yes,,, but then they wanted to make a joke abt it so they invented a jewish thing as a foil
and that’s the problem, it feels like people keep just framing judaism and jewish culture as a foil for christianity and guess what!! it’s actually super christianormative to keep centering christianity like that 🤷🏻
and then there’s the constant “judaism is better cause you are allowed to ask questions, and also no one is threatened with hell!” and it’s like that’s very cool and all for you but i have friends who were traumatized in jewish communities where pushback against dogma was punished and also they were threatened with hell if they broke certain halachas so. there’s that. and like yes you can argue that those communities are like that due to influence from christianity due to history of proximity in eastern europe but. it’s still. a thing. and when you deny it you deny people’s trauma and make them less welcome in your communities.
it’s all very uwu and tbh it comes across so often as self-exoticizing
stop it, we can love yiddishkeit and klal yisrael without being a foil against christianity or denying trauma or being cutesy and trying to shove ourselves into this weird little mold
[non-jews don’t reblog this]
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f4mouspr0phets · 2 years
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‘christianormativity’ is a stupid as fuck word
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transfaabulous · 6 years
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I was checking your byf and googled Messianic after reading it there, I'm not sure which definition of it you meant so I thought I;d double check, is it ok to follow if I'm Christian? I totally won't if it's not ok and sorry if I should not have asked.
Yeah, it’s totally fine to follow if you’re Christian! Thank you so much for asking for clarification, I really appreciate it.Messianics aren’t synonymous with your average Christian. Messianics are a particular Christian group that was created specifically to trick Jews into converting to Christianity by saying, “See? You can be Jewish and still believe in Jesus!” The whole point of its existence is literally just cultural genocide and assimilation. They want to get rid of us because they believe that their Christian Ragnarok (I think it’s called Rapture?) can only happen once we’re all dead or converted.There are very, very few ethnic Jews that fell for the lie. The vast majority of Messianics have nothing to do with us, call themselves Jews, and appropriate our religion and customs. Most of us hate them. We’re a closed religion; to become a Jew if you weren’t born to or adopted at an early age by an already Jewish family takes years of work and study, along with a ritual rebirthing process in a Mikvah (a type of bath/pool with very strict specifications that is used for ritual purification. Aside from conversions, it’s mainly utilized by many observant Jews for things like post-menstrual purification). To have a bunch of goyim just call themselves Jews while actually believing in a mutually exclusive religion... I really can’t tell you just how infuriating and disrespectful that is. And then adding their evangelism on top of that, which is something specifially forbidden to Jews? That’s even worse.And this wouldn’t even bother me as much as it does if it weren’t for the fact that they’re actually part of a religion that directly oppresses us. Christianormativity and Christian-elitism puts all non-Christians in direct danger in the same way that white nationalism endangers all non-white people. And we have to deal with antisemitism on top of already effectively being second-class citizens due to our lack of Christianity.(Christians as people don’t bother me. I get how they work, I understand their beliefs, and to a certain point I can respect those beliefs. Any discomfort that I have with Christianity has nothing to do with Christians, but rather with its position as the expected norm, along with Christian antisemitism.)Messianics as a group wouldn’t bother me if they called themselves Christians and didn’t appropriate our identity and culture, but then they wouldn’t be Messianics. I have the same issue with Jehovah’s Witnesses, to be honest, because they also celebrate holidays belonging to a closed religion, but they at least don’t put on Jewface in order to prey on vulnerable members of our community. And isn’t it sad that I have to say something like that?The technical term for what they do (i.e. celebrating our holidays as though they were their own, thinking of themselves as Jews 2.0, taking our history, clothing, and religious scripts as part of their aesthetic, etc.) philosemitism, but what it is, is ‘appropriation of Jewish religion and culture.’That’s why I don’t want Messianics following me. It’s for the same reason I don’t want Nazis following me. Their very existence puts me and my people in direct danger, both by spreading dangerous misinformation and actively working towards our extermination.And if there’s an ethnically Jewish Messianic reading this, I really, really hope that you’re able to find a way out of there. You deserve so much better than this.And Anon, again, I really do appreciate your asking. Feel free to message me and/or ask more questions!#messianism discussion#fuck messianics though#cursing in tags#asks#anonymous#nazis mention#genocide talk
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coolors-akravi · 3 years
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a color palette for the link between the staunch denial of the supernatural (even in the face of unexplained events) and overcompensating christianormative atheism
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starlightomatic · 1 year
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I really really really should stop posting about this but last night I saw a post that was like “when people respond to my posts criticizing religion with ‘my religion isn’t like this!’ it just feels like proselytizing”
Which…
Tbh I do try to avoid saying that cause it’s rarely actually true, it’s not like Judaism doesn’t have high-demand high-control groups that perpetuate similar harms to Christian ones
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When Jews say that we definitely are not proselytizing, as that is something pretty deeply ingrained in us not to do
So, while it’s an assumption I can understand making as a trauma response, it’s still a super Christianormative assumption
And no that doesn’t mean I think OP of that post is a Christian. FFS. Just that uh… it really does reinforce the idea that so much of this conversation involves projection, kneejerk trauma reactions, and people viewing Jews as avatars of the churches that hurt them
The conversation isn’t really with us at all, it’s taking past us. And it’s hard to have productive conversation when the other person is reading so many assumptions into your words and assigning you so many traits that have nothing to do with you
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