#danachan's analysis

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Slay the Princess theory

Had a thought about slay the princess today.

Mostly the Narrator.

Major Spoilers under the cut

Mostly about how sad his existence is. How deeply flawed he is in his way of thinking, that he thinks that eternal bliss would be to destroy the essence of death, and the process of death itself.

That death itself is bad, so it should be gone, and thus the world is saved.

You need to have that darkness to have light and the actual progression of life. Eternal Bliss can't exist without knowing eternal darkness.

Imagine a world where you grow older, your bones and your skin decays, but you can't die. Endless suffering without death. The Narrator failed to consider nuances like this. As we can see the amount of pain the Player/Voices in their head go through. And painful existences like the Ghost/Phantom Princess routes.

From the few questions we have the opportunity to ask the Narrator, I can't help but feel pity for him.

And I have a theory and I feel it fits within the greater narrative of the game.

It sounds to me, like the Narrator, before he died, before he became an echo, had someone on the outside. Someone that he loved very much. Perhaps his wife? And she died..... which caused a spiral of grief that lead him to this.

The shifting mound took a similar form to that person.

Since the Voice of the quiet is another facet in a way, Afterall. And they shaped the mound with how they remember to who they remembered, before all this. The strongest frame of reference they had and could cling to. They had to be a Princess.

[space-n-sky]

Just a touch starved Zim.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Hello! I know you're one of the people who ship Moon and Solar (TSAMS) And y'all have gotten me into the ship as well! XD I'm not caught up on the lore of the show(s) So i haven't even seen Solar IN SHOW before (i am very behind to before Lunar was Sun and Moons brother :' D) But I have some ideas I'm debating writing for the ship buttt....I have no clue how Canon Solar acts??? Do you know if theres somewhere I could find a Summary on his personality? (and I suppose...new Moon?) I'll probably unintentionally make them OOC...never written for anything TSAMS related, but i'll try!

And is there a ship names thats...like used for them instead of Solar X Moon or is it just called that?

Anywho, I hope you have a good day/night!!! You make awesome stuff! (And I know theres been some people making drama over the ship, I hope you don't let them get to you too much tho!! <3 /P)

🦈Anon

AWESOME!

Heheheh. Thank you. I've been shipping these two since June 2023 so I'm glad I can share the brainrot and some people are more welcoming and cool then I expect. (mostly the ones who can't think critically are the youtube audience but that's expected. Since a lot of the youtube target audience are... like.. minors or really young adults who can't conceive the concept.)

I rewatch that Episode where Solar changes his name and rebuilds the Daycare in a week just for Moon constantly cause it's just... so much admiration and appreciation Moon has for Solar in that episode. I swear I don't know if it was a flub on the actor's part... but I swear Moon calls him 'sexy' as he's dragging him to charge. the stock sound effect of "OOOOH" doesn't help my APD and I've listened so many times and I have no possible idea what Moon could be saying to Solar other then 'come here you stupid, sexy-...." (trails off) sooo... idk. I might have misheard that severely but that's just what I'm hearing.

Like, in terms of New Lore of the show, it gets pretty complicated.

So complicated in fact, TSAMS themselves released a new video on the subject.... But it's NOT a very good guide, as it misses a lot of things. (and no I don't mean the stupid guest cameo stuff) this is more or less an abridged take on what happens with no emotional impact:

Like, this is a good starting point if you want the barest of bones, but it misses so much stuff. I think they don't even mention how Solar gets introduced into this family. lol. Just like "yeah Im here and I helped kill Eclipse" fheahehf. It's a super well made video though, and I don't mind the editing mistakes (clearly when the actors change the avatar on screen.... whoops. Happens a few times)

There is also the Fan Wiki, but as of now, it is incomplete, (@twinanimatronics is working tirelessly on updating the wiki and I wish they got more reconignition from the tsams community as a whole ) but it does give a decent look into Solar

There is also the huge TSAMS Lore Document, which Ceph(twinanimatronics) also worked on which contains a further detailed explanation of the story so far, for those who don't have time to watch 2 years worth of youtube content that aren't in a concrete playlist. (TSAMS. PLAYLIST YOUR STUFF PROPERLY. YOU HAVE TWO YEARS OF LORE HERE)

Liike.... yeah... this is okay but like..

This is VRchat. Aka the lore. Which also includes when they play videogames in VRchat, which don't impact the story... Like Uno, Amongus and SCP stuff.....

And it doesn't divide the arcs. Something that TSAMS severely needs more then any other SB Show channel.

Also, in the early days, the gameplay videos USED to be part of the lore. As the concept of Eclipse itself, being a rouge evil ai that lived in Sun's head (as it was presented initially but we know the truth it was the killcode moon planted in Sun when they separated.)

These days, they kinda dropped the gameplay videos being directly connected to the over arching plot. Other then just saying that their vids are pre-recorded or "we're back" after an annual halloween takeover.

Not to mention... When Earth and Lunar got a show, they became intertwined with the Sun and Moon show. LAES is very much it's own thing, but it's the ONLY Security Breach Show that consists of two Original Characters spawned from the Sun and Moon show. A rarity. So their lore continues off from the Sun and moon show, giving more info on Lunar these days and Earth (their sister)

Then you have the Monty and Foxy show (which is my least favorite of the shows... Personal Preference. I try not to complain cus I know some people like it. But I do not like the plot points in that show, or the character writing and weird directions they take while being connected to the same universe.)

And Monty is a character voiced by Davis, who also voices Sun. So Monty started out as a prominent character on the Sun and Moon Show, and then got his OWN show... at a point in TSAMS history after Eclipse got the star and killed Lunar.

So yeah. I wish the playlists were better organized here. So we knew when each era starts.

(people say Matpat should get on this show lore... And noooooooo no thanks. Keep him away. We got you covered. Ceph honestly has enough info to make a video guide at this point.)

But long story short, Solar is a "Good Eclipse" from another dimension that the Old Moon introduced to Lunar, when Lunar was struggling with his trauma of leaving Eclipse. Good Eclipse and Lunar become friends.

Anyway, here are some key episodes that outline NewMoon and Solar's relationship, as Solar had never met the Old Moon.

Old Moon had never met Solar. It was New Moon who introduced himself to Solar to help defeating Eclipse once and for all. (and by this point lunar had died)

He was actually surprised that this Moon was a chill Moon and could be reasoned with and talked to, considering he was living a rather oppressive life from his own Moon.

There's also a whole episode saga of just these two bantering and talking while they work on the satellite together. I can't remember which specific episodes those are.

You can also see the difference between the Evil Eclipse and Good Eclipse here in one of my all time favorite episodes:

Moon saving Solar's life: (also the death of the bad Eclipse)

Everything is good and happy after Eclipse dies for awhile. (aside of Ruin and Bloodmoon wrecking shit) He goes back to his own dimension... and you get to see what his sad life is like:

From his Moon calling him "byproduct" and failure very often.

But... Something happens and Solar is forced to come to Moon's dimension

here's Solar at his poor little meow meow "I have nowhere to go" stage and just... thought to go to Moon immediately due to their history.

Moon's only question about Solar moving in, is that if he wanted him to blacklist his dimension once he heard what was going on with his Moon.

And immediately, Solar jumps in to help Moon with his problems.

Also during the halloween takeover part 2 electric boogaloo, Solar was the one to help get Sun and Moon back after being teleported to a different dimension with no hopes of returning

Also, after Ruin was cured and Bloodmon ran off, Solar rebuilt the ruined Daycare in a week. And Moon is so grateful for it. (i rewatch this episode a lot. It cemented the ship in my mind and built the commodity that they've been building up for months)

We also get what Solar's daily life is like so far... How out of place he feels, being someone from a different dimension, despite the Brothers (and sister's) insistence, he still doesn't really feel like he's part of the family. He feels like an outsider. (He also has less opportunities to hang out with Lunar. As he expressed interest in playing games with him like the good old days, and as of recently, they have not yet)

also a good example of the Celestial family changing minds on family dynamics because they are robots. Lunar flat out rejected Vegeta-Animatronic is his brother even if he technically is. Like, they're robots. They can change their relationships to each other based on their word. I like to see it more flexible then it is in reality with actual people/humans.

Moon also trying to make Solar feel comfortable and feel like he's adjusting well here. Expressing his concern for him doing so much for him and his family. And hoping to not pressure him into so much work.

As of recently, his Sun died, and he killed his Moon. And in his therapy session (on the Lunar and Earth Show) he expressed regret over "Leaving" them...

But he has not properly told anyone about this.

My reasoning is that he probably thinks that the family will jump on the chance to call him "Evil" .....They don't have good luck with Eclipses.... and every Eclipse they met other than him has been Evil. (that must weigh on you. Every version of yourself is deemed as evil across every dimension. You are the only good one. Maybe there is something wrong with you)

I'm already at the video limit, but on Lunar and Earth show, there is an interesting episode where Lunar goes into Solar's head, and his mindscape looks like the Willy Wonka TV room, because it was a movie he watched with his Sun before they separated and Sun died. Showing that he did care about his Sun a whole lot... Which is probably why he doesn't interact with our Sun that much alone.

He also compartmentalizes everything before he can feel emotions, playing his own memories in third person as if he's not experiencing them.

Not to mention, he organizes and separates his thoughts on NewMoon and HIS Moon, just so he won't associate the two.

I also missed what episode it was, but Solar is always the first to call Moon out when he's being angry, or irrational, and Sun admits in his therapy session, that Solar is the only person who can calm Moon down. (mainly cus he's used to it, but unlike his old moon, this moon listens)

Anyway...

I love Solar a lot, can you tell?

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Gaz!!!

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

@spanglespants​ said: 

Personally, you are the reason I'm planning on at least one of my fics to include Prof just being out of touch instead of purposefully neglectful to being forgetful. Actually I may redeem him in For a Smeet's Sake' at some point still have not decided how if I do yet. But he did notice something important in the chapter I'm working on. He'll get there.

Personally, you are the reason I'm planning on at least one of my fics to include Prof just being out of touch instead of purposefully neglectful to being forgetful. Actually I may redeem him in For a Smeet's Sake' at some point still have not decided how if I do yet. But he did notice something important in the chapter I'm working on. He'll get there.

Oh lord! That makes me SO HAPPY!

I know that Baddadbrane used to be a more popular take in the fandom. Just cause I feel a lot of people project their parental issues onto him...

But I think what makes Professor Membrane a relatable character for me personally, is that he isn’t intentionally malicious and he makes a lot of mistakes. Some minor, and some huge. 

He’s extremely scatterbrained, neglectful and sometimes he can just say entirely the wrong things.

He misses most social cues and a lot of his traits are very common to someone with autism (aspergers especially, which is why me and @paketdimensioncomic​ made the decision to give him that particular form of autism in our Fics.)

Like me writing Redemption arcs for Membrane and focusing on him as a character study is not me trying to say:

“Oh he’s trying guys... look at the poor suffering dad.. we should forgive him.” 

Like that’s not what I’m trying to say. Like people who think that about my fics don’t know me that well. 

Membrane has the most character shift from the show to the Florpus and he can be an extremely nuanced character when you look at him.

Professor Membrane in my fics and stories are basically me looking back on my parents from an adult point of view, as well as looking back in my childhood.

Because I know as a kid, I would have 100% related to Dib and probably would have not liked the science man if I had watched the show when I was ten years old when it came out. 

I think it’s important that Membrane LOVES his kids. He adores them and would literally do anything for them.

And before you say, “he has put Dib in the crazy house multiple times”

yeah, that’s a huge mistake.

But people forget that Dib attacks children in class. Like way before Zim ever showed up to earth. He chased and cornered a hairy kid up the monkey bars, bullied a kid and said his dad was a yetti, and has a LARGE file in the guidance counselors office ...  

By the time that the SHOW STARTS....  Membrane is used to Dib’s shananigans.... and he tries to be supportive....

Membrane’s dismissiveness here always kinda spoke to me: “ah, I’m used to this... oh well, boys will be boys, what can I do,  I’ll just let him have this...” 

People always forget that Membrane isn’t entirely dismissive of Dib here. Like he agrees with Dib that, “Yes, maybe there is possible life on other planets... but not INTELLEGENT life... and if there IS intelligent life out there.... they are way too far away in light years to engage in communication with Earth”

Like Membrane doesn’t dismiss the idea of aliens... but he sees aliens that exist in the show, something that is entirely science-fiction. 

Membrane doesn’t really understand encouraging imagination in his children... (like Dib is still 9-10) Especially since Dib’s imagination leads to him hurting and being harmful to his other classmates. 

The only reason I feel that he’s so adamant on the: “THERE ARE NO ALIENS” in ETF is because he’s dealt with Dib’s behavior for years over these things.... so.... Yeah... Membrane got frustrated and said “I’ve TRIED to be patient with your unscientific interests...” and by that point... he had been... Like Membrane lost his arms and has probably listened to and tried to be accepting and accommodating towards his son the best he can... (like why would Dib be a chair otherwise... Membrane sucks at putting down boundaries) 

But can you think of the amount of trouble that Dib causes and what he has to answer to... 

It’s not like Dib is engaging with a hobby like art or writing and Membrane is like: “you need a career in a respectable field, son.” 

That is not what is happening here.

Dib’s hobby is one where he is ACTIVELY ATTACKING AND HARMING OTHERS. 

What else is Membrane supposed to do? He’s trying his best to encourage Dib to engage in a less harmful and more productive field. He just wants his son to be excited about what he’s excited about... And I believe he’s completely unaware of the pressure this really puts on Dib...

Why do you think he said in ETF “I’m always proud of you”  BECAUSE HE IS!!!

I think Membrane is completely unaware how much of his encouragement towards “real science” is more harmful to Dib than helpful. But even in Mopiness of Doom.... as much as Dib being involved in his science makes HIM happy, it doesn’t make DIB happy... so he lets him go to “catch that alien” without forcing him to stay.

Membrane is obviously devastated that his son doesn’t want to work with him... but he’s not intentionally forcing him to stay or takes that out on his son...  He blames himself for how Dib turned out. (and he should, honestly at points) but hindsight is 20/20 and he needs to learn a lot more as a father... 

He made a mistake in how he handled Dib’s harmful obsession by just letting the Crazy House for boys handled things... He should have honestly talked to his son personally about this.. Like, “why did you push that boy off the handlebars” “the skool told me you were bullying another kid”  “I hope you’re not roughhousing with your little green friend too much...”. But Membrane doesn’t really know how to handle emotions and feelings and conflicts... This is something he actively is working harder to improve on..

I do think elements are there for Membrane to redeem himself and even then, Dib and Gaz don’t have to forgive him if they want, not really. 

Here’s an expert from Me and @paketdimensioncomic​ ‘s ARM’s fic about the “wishing isn’t scientific son” scene in particular, it’s not cannon, but it might as well be, and it’s probably his thought process (he tried to reach out to his son when he stormed off angry afterall)

I think Membrane is a very complex character, just because there are two iterations of him and he’s really the only character in the franchise to actually get character development. 

I know people when the Florpus movie came out said that version of Membrane in ETF was “dishonest” to his portrayal in the show... but I really think it’s showing that he is trying. And The Comics showed me that’s the Membrane that’s here to stay.

He has a lot to learn... Obviously... I am still dissatisfied with how ETF ended with the “All’s well that ends well” ending, but I always like to see the different directions people like to take the bumbling Professor in.

He’s just constantly tripping his way through parenthood, and I want to see him try 10000000% harder. 

In Conclusion: “Professor Membrane tries his best but still kinda sucks at parenting” is peak characterization for him and I love that more people try to write him like this now instead of intentionally malicious.