#dc comics is racist?

[devine-fem]

Oooooo 👀 you got me interested with cass, steph, dami and jon as a quad! The potential!!! 🤌

what type of shenanigans would they all get into?

How about a sleepover? scary stories?Gettin into trouble? The only quad to ever.

Someone asked about a sleepover so here: Damian thought it’d be a good idea to show Cass another form of visual presentation and expression through art like he likes to do but make it a game.

Bonus:

They got really tired after playing rooftop tag.

Art by @daughterzell - best fren.

[himejoshiangels]

yall cling to duke as "the normal one" like your lives fucking depend on it. like why go to such lengths to ignore everything incredible abt him canonically in favor of kicking him to the side bcs you headcanon him as boring. like do you understand how not quirky cute and progressive yall sound. You would never do that to your faves and frankly I think some of you are just afraid that he might just be more interesting that whatever made up version of your favorite batboy you have in your mind

[bitterrobin]

I see a lot of confusion on why calling Damian Wayne "feral" is racist/problematic, so here's a rundown.

There's a difference between calling your child or your younger sibling "feral" and calling a character like Damian "feral." You know your child/sibling/niece/nephew etc. They're real people, and unless they have a problem with it personally, then there's nothing wrong with calling them feral as a joke. It doesn't (shouldn't) affect their perceptions by other people. It doesn't become a label that follows them.

Damian al Ghul-Wayne is a fictional character. A canonically mixed Arab/Chinese/Jewish White character with a history connected to some of the most prominent Arab comic book characters, who themselves also get insanely mischaracterized.

He's constantly whitewashed. He's been written with racist undertones (the suicide bomber vest). He's had his character development and progress backtracked time and time again by DC. DC treats him weirdly most days and completely shitty in the worst stories.

A good majority of fanon hasn't done any better than DC. You cannot pat yourselves on the back for being more inclusive or mental health aware than DC when you call a mixed Arab/Chinese boy "feral". It's constant. You can come up with various titles and nuances for every Bat-character, for every Robin.

Tim can be smart, a skater, a genius, the one holding everyone together, the little brother, the one who needs love. Jason can be cool, morally "right" or "wrong", unstable, PTSD-stricken, the one who was betrayed, the one with Shakespearean tragedies. Dick can be fun, happy, the first one, the prodigal son, the one with complicated history and the big brother.

You give them room for exploration. Love and care and attention and research. Many headcanons. You either comply with canon or you don't, but there's substance to their character.

What does Damian get? He's feral. He's rabid. He's a gremlin. He can't be reasoned with. He has no self-control, he's impulsive. He's hurt others, and you can't forgive it. Sometimes he's homophobic. Or classist. Or plain mean and rude to your favorite boy. He's always carrying a sword. A psychopath with no regard for another's well-being (usually Tim in a lot of fics). He can't be taught what's right.

I've seen people cry that Damian needs to punished or kicked out or treated the same way he's treated others. He needs to be brutalized or talked down to. He can never grow as a person, because he's mean to Tim or Jason, and you need him to exist as the abuser. His first move is always violent.

Fanon compares him to an animal often; he bites, claws, hisses, growls. Bruce or Dick or Jason or Tim have to wrangle him, tame him, civilize him the white man's way in lieu of his brown mother and grandfather who "clearly" raised him wrong. You don't see the issue with that? The issue with always labeling one of the few major brown characters in Batman comics as the unreasonable animal? That the child of color is always the abuser, the instigator, to older characters?

And even if you don't see him this way, you don't write him this way - then are you giving him the care and attention you give for other Bat characters?

Do you know anything else about him other than his "anger"? Because he isn't always angry. In fact, he's typically well-mannered. Quiet even, when he's not being provoked. DC's writing will always vary but whenever Damian lashes out, he's usually written with a reason to act the way he does.

Are you making him intelligent like he should be? A hard believer in redemption? A neglected and abused child who isn't meek or crying or closes himself within? Are you willing to explore that he's always exhibited the "wrong" kind of trauma responses - lashing out, being snippy, ruining relationships, refusing to admit weakness?

Do you write anything about him without making his mother and grandfather comically abusive and violent? Will you give him the supporting cast/friends he actually has? Can you write his dad/siblings interacting with him without making them white saviors or therapy pets? Can you write him without a ship or his love for animals or being vegetarian overshadowing everything?

Is he a character to you at all other than a glorified plot device with a sharp tongue and the convenience of being violent?

[autisticrosewilson]

So do you guys actually think that Jason's entire story, relationship to the others, and philosophy amounts to him being a rebellious teen who wants his dad's attention? Like are you 100% serious? I thought you were joking about that but too many of you are saying it with your whole chest.

And what the fuck is this "Bruce antagonizing Jason is fanon!" Shit I've been seeing? You guys are aware that a parent can love their kid and still be a shit parent right? I know you guys don't want to fathom the thought that maybe your blorbo might also occasionally have to face responsibility for consistently endangering children but let's not start being delusional now.

Bruce does love his kids, that doesn't mean that he hasn't hurt them. And I'd also argue that for the most part he feels in the right for it, and he's said multiple times that he believes it's for their own good, so you can't even argue that he's sorry about it. It's okay for you guys to admit that your PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of the character wouldn't do that but don't sit here and pretend that it's not a facet of the source.

[binglepringle]

It feels like this post is targeted towards these two specifically-

They may not really be the first one—“chaotic and silly”— but the other two definitely apply to how some fandom people view them

[for-every-question-why]

Talia al Ghul wip (she is sksjajaj)

[thefingerfuckingfemalefury]

I realise this was published before Google existed and the world was perhaps more ignorant than it is today

But even back then surely there must have been someone

Anyone

To take the writer to one side and go "How the fuck do you think Irish people speak?" in reaction to reading this script O_o

[milowing]

guys im fucking losing my mind this literally seems like a bit making fun of him. "tom king writes jenny sparks witnessing 9/11" sounds like a bad joke how the fuck is this real.

[batcavescolony]

I love how Kon and Cissie would beat the shit out of anyone for Traya. It takes six girls to hold Cissie back, and Kon broke the sound barrier to get to her

[bitter-hibiscus]

Hello batfam tumblr user. in front of you is damian wayne. you have to come up with a joke about him that doesn't revolve around racist stereotypes or else I cut your fucking dick off. You have 3 hours. good luck.

[dreamingaboutsakuratrees]

Dear God how I fucking hate when people dismiss s character's traits because "that's just a facade! you as the reader have to see underneath it!!" like yeah no fucking shit Sherlock, a well written character has more than one (1) defining trait but that doesn't mean their most prominent one or the one most recognized by fandom ISN'T there

yes this is about people thinking dick grayson isn't actually a ray of sunshine, that it's just a mask. he's much more than the happy one, of fucking course, all batfam members (when written well) are, but that doesn't mean that being happy and bright is not a crucial part of his personality. he brings light to people's lives, he's a beacon of hope, that's what Robin was born for, as a light to Batman's darkness. That's what Nightwing is. He can be serious, sure. He's smart, an amazing strategist, incredibly good at fighting, he can be manipulative and morally gray and sometimes an objectively bad person. But he's ALSO funny and quippy and bright and sunshine. BECAUSE HE'S WELL WRITTEN.

Like Jesus stop making him so sad and wrong all the time just because you want so bad to go against "fanon". It's not fanon if it's literally his core trait. It's not fanon if it's what the character was BORN AS. God.

[discowingneckline]

the amount of people who dehumanize damian wayne by calling him a demon, like out of control (like an animal), etc don't have the capacity to understand damian's backstory in relation to how he acts as a 10-14 year old (emphasis on the 10 year old)

like damian isn't just the violence that he grew up in.

he loves animals to the point he became a vegetarian and owns several pets. he loves the art and music. he likes to have fun, and he likes to play video games. to those he cares about, he can be incredibly kind to with trying to help them with the goals in their life (or what he assumes they are). he is extremely driven and intelligent, with a deep care for learning things (though some he may be more resistant too). when dc allows him to, he grows in his understanding of the world outside the league of assassins and the foundations of his being and morality taught to him. he wants to be understood, and he wants to be accepted. it seems like his friends and family (for the most part), but dc fans can't seem to do the same.

womp womp :(

[npdclaraoswald]

I know it doesn't help that I have been very slowly reading it over the course of more than a year, but man, does Cass' story get annoying to read after she loses her own title

[oifaaa]

Not an attack or anything but. You seem to talk about Talia semi-fondly? Forgive me if I'm wrong.

I'm a little funny about people being nice about her. Afterall, she is a literal rapist. Canonically. In multiple iterations.

I'm not semi fond of Talia I adore her she's an amazing character and I refuse to let one bad racist writing choice, which the writer themselves states was a mistake and is actually no longer Canon, change my opinion of her - I've said before it's okay to not like Talia but don't base your opinion of her on one racist retcon which every other shitty dc writer chose to jump on instead of focusing on her long complex and interesting history

[sinhal]

How the fuck does Chuck Dixon get off

[kaocat-tatatat]

The lack of Duke Thomas in this fandom is one of the most disappointing things about it, in my opinion.

Like I've seen people put Terry McGinnis and Carrie Kelley in stuff over him, and while I get that people enjoy those characters (I have no problem with it) it's frustrating to see what is essentially AU characters picked over an official canon character, a very interesting and good character with a lot of cool stories and history and stuff that people seem to completely gloss over.

you think too many people forget that Stephanie Brown was Robin? He was Robin too!! The whole We Are Robin, (and Robin War) movement!! it was super interesting and no one talks about it, or him, at all (or when then do, he's either the most blank slate, rid of all personality character, or written to the point of caricature)

it's not like he's "new" either, he's been around since 2013, that was 11 years ago, and alot has happened with his character since then.

I just think its sad, cause I find him really cool, at this point i think I should just start making it all myself (and I have absolutely zero confidence and any of my skills in that regard) because it seems like no one else actually cares about him

People who consider themselves fans of his character, what do you think?