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styona · 3 days
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If there was a series called "The Ministry" (like "The Office", but "The Ministry"), Copia would most definitely be Michael Scott's incarnation, you cannot tell me otherwise. Can we actually have some kind of a spin-off of the Chapters, Toblerone? Oh, silly me, of course we absolutely CAN'T. (We can't even have the damn chapters anymore ffs)
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kreerain · 19 days
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Fenton parents make an invention to reverse a ghost's evil impulses!" It actually brings a ghost's instincts forward. The effects last about two weeks.
The Fentons are in Gotham when they get the chance to use it on Phantom.
Good news: it happens near the Bats, so he's quickly rescued.
Bad news: baby ghost instinct wants parents and turned human to get reassurance. That did not happen and now Red Hood has a crying, keening teenager shaped leech.
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lexosaurus · 10 months
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Ok, listen. I know, I KNOW that "Phantom Planet's Not Canon Fuck You." Okay?
But just. Hear me out for a second.
Do Halfas Need To Breathe In Ghost Form?
Okay so this is a really lowkeye "debate" (I say that in quotes because it's more just that people have different headcanons and tbh this is the best way anyway because, you know, fuck canon death of the author and all) as to whether or not Danny needs to breathe in halfa form. And while I, like most people, just sorta decide whether or not he needs to breathe based on whatever my fanfic plot needs, I actually think, canonically at least, there is some solid evidence that no, actually, they don't need to breathe in ghost form.
There's a few times in canon where Vlad is choking Danny mid-fight and Danny looks more mildly annoyed than seriously panicked about it, but you can largely chalk that up to Kid's TV Screening Filters, so I don't put much weight on those.
However, there are some moment that sticks out more than the rest. And that's when Danny and Vlad are in space.
Yeah, uh, I'm talking about Phantom Planet.
(I'm sorry)
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So initially, both Danny and Vlad are shown to be wearing helmets that presumably have oxygen filtering through them. Now now, I know what you're thinking: Lexx, wouldn't this mean that they do need to breathe in ghost form?
My theory isn't that they can't breathe in ghost form, my theory is that they don't need to breathe in ghost form. There's a difference.
I also think that they probably don't exactly want to test the theory if they have to breathe or now. Better safe than sorry, so let's wear helmets!
(Also, side note, this furthers the other lowkeye "debate" as to whether or not they get seriously cold in their ghost forms because, uh, they're in space with no spacesuit)
But I digress. Here they are shown with helmets, suggesting that they do have some breathing capabilities, even in ghost form.
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But at the end of the episode, we see Vlad here chilling on a space rock, no helmet in sight, looking perfectly fine albeit disappointed and bored.
This, obviously, suggests that halfas do not need to breathe in ghost form. And I think Vlad literally just discovered that as soon as he was ejected to space sans helmet.
So my theory is, while Danny and Vlad have the organs required for breathing and do breathe as a reflex automatically, when put in situations like outer space where oxygen is not available, their ghost half takes over a little more and they stop breathing. I think this is such an automatic thing that when this change happens in day to day life (like Danny being choked by Vlad mid ghost-fight), that like how us humans don't actively think about breathing, we just kinda do it, they don't really notice it either.
So that's my theory. I'm so sorry for needing to cite Phantom Planet here. I'm sure there's other things you can pull from canon too, but this was just the most obvious. Again, headcanons ftw, okay peace out ✌️
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blackbird5154 · 2 months
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I noticed that there is a request in the community for a more serious look at Terzo. I decided to start posting my observations and some conclusions based on them. If this post gets the attention of ghesties, I will try to continue this column.
The first observation concerns the Papa's attitude to work. It is generally assumed that he is an frivolous person who leads a chaotic lifestyle. But there are a number of examples that show how responsibly Terzo takes his performances.
2015, the show in Antwerp. Papa says he has been on tour for over three months. He is clearly tired, but he adds that despite this he will give the audience 100% of what he has. Notice how vigorously he tries to speak despite his fatigue.
2006, Download Festival. Papa has a strep throat, but he doesn't cancel the concert. In the middle of the video he is chatting with the audience and you can hear how hard it is for him to speak, he is literally wheezing. But if you watch all the videos from this concert, you will see that he performed all the songs brilliantly, even the scream at the end of "Absolution", without once making his job easier. Sometimes I think the more difficulties he gets in his way, the more gorgeous he performs.
2016, touring with Iron Maiden. Papa falls in a pit, hits his head and hurts his leg to the point of bleeding, but brings the concert to an end like nothing happened.
Circa 2016, Leeds. Papa faints backstage, but comes out to the audience to sing on.
Also, remember how often he asked the audience if they were having fun, if they were spending time well. He also kept a close eye on an order in a crowd for no one to be hurt. I think Terzo cares a lot about his "flock" and thinks they deserve to get the very best from him, despite all the obstacles. Nothing can stop him from accomplishing that goal.
How do you feel about all these cases? Do you attribute them only to Tobias' character or to Terzo's character as well?
[part 2]
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ghost-spillwayss · 1 month
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Ghost fans trying to explain the lore:
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blacktie-whitenoise · 8 months
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CA Ritual: Mystery Unlocked
STRAP IN, GHESTIES.
I just came across a 2019 interview for Revolver Magazine where Tobias talks about future film plans for Ghost and the new series of webisodes they had just released.
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California is going to be more than a live concert taping.
It's going to be a scene in the UPCOMING GHOST MOVIE.
CHANGE MY MIND.
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irlplasticlamb · 1 year
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papa emeritus is dead. long live papa emeritus.
prints available here
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kabukiaku · 11 months
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altar server boys. 𐠒✨
ramblings below:
I got so many angsty thoughts revolving around the young emeritus brothers dealing with their abusive/absent father.
You have Secondo who just accepts the hardship, abuse, and constant pressure. He's become numb about it, but it still very much affects him internally. He just doesn't display it so much, not in front of others that is. He bottles it up to stay strong for his younger brother.
Then you have Terzo, the youngest, who is struggling to deal with the abuse and to stay faithful to his religion, he does not want to be a part of it. (this only grows stronger as he's older. you can even SEE in his song lyrics about his feelings towards religion and control of the masses.) And being the more free-spirited brother certainly does not mix well with Nihil. The number of times I think he and his father argued, resulting in some messed up stuff happening HURTS my soul. These two deserved better. hell, all three brothers.
I think we can all agree that the only true paternal figure they had was in fact, Primo. It was Primo, who was the only safe haven they had </3
anyways ramble over I love them so much I want to hold them gently in my hands.
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sparxyv · 1 year
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i dont know what to title this
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anyways heres nihil wearing pink + with lipstick
this is one of my favorite drawings that ive done no joke
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birdhaslostit · 7 months
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I had a revelation. Look at this.
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Dante Alighieri versus Secondo.
SOMETHING IS THERE. This might have been intentional. Look at their noses and profile. They are strikingly similar.
I always thought Secondo looked familiar, but I never could figure out who it was (not just Pitbull) until just now. It hit me like a ton of bricks when I realized. I’ve seen Dante’s death mask in person, as well as several other works depicting Dante. Their faces are definitely similar, especially the nose. I can’t be the only one who sees this.
Tobias may have done this intentionally, but I don’t know for sure. Am I the only person who’s noticed this?
And to further expand on this theory, wouldn’t it be cool if Dante Alighieri was the founder of the Emeritus line? There’s no precedent or evidence for it, but it’s an interesting concept.
MORE ANALYSIS HERE
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He's doing a good job
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styona · 3 days
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No seriously, what if Tobias is trying to gaslight us into thinking that there was never any Copia? We haven't heard from the mfer in years, what if he isn't real and has never been all this time
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iamthecomet · 1 month
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If the ministry/Abby have a glamour is it just the outside or is the actual building broken
That's the beauty of magic, it could be either. I think, for most people, the glamour extends. It's a broken building. Dangerous. Rotting floors. Cracked stone. Broken glass. The peices are all there. Nothing extra, nothing missing. They're just in the wrong places, the plants are a little more wild. Pushing up through the stone, climbing through busted windows. Quintessence is a hell of a drug. We talk about it being used for hallucinations all the time. So, it stands to reason that there are wards, protections, hallucinations, that extend to anyone who walks in without the right intentions. That being said I think it's a little goofy when you're inside the real ministry and some outsider is walking around. The siblings/ghouls/clergy members can see them--but they can't see the clergy. It's almost like they're the ghosts. Walking through, eyes darting around. Stepping over felled beams that no one in the actual abbey can see. They're given wide birth, the people who need to know about them are summoned (Swiss, usually, he really loves to fuck with them. And Dew, on occasion, though he tends to be a little more malicious. Omega or Aether to make sure the hallucination holds). And they are watched/tormented/followed until they leave or die.
No wonder people feel so weird when they go into certain rooms. Sick, cold, dizzy. They attribute it to EMF fields or ghosts, but really it's just Aether dragging his fingers down their spine and pumping them full of quintessence. I'm also plauged by the idea of these people wandering into ghoul rooms. Seeing overturned bookshelfs. Trinkets littering the floor. Bending down to pick up a small glass turtle and roll it between their fingers before they're unceremoniously shoved over and the turtle just disappears. Rain really doesn't like it when they touch his things.
On the other hand--those with good intentions. Or those who do a very specific ritual in the basement ritual room--will find the glamor draining away when they step into the main abbey. They'll find themselves in the real abbey. How else do you think Siblings get recruited? They have to pass the test (do you know the ritual OR are you "pure of heart" for lack of a better phrase). And if they do--they'll find themselves welcomed home.
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duckapus · 2 months
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Idea: The Dead and the Living hear things, names in particular, differently, partly just because Ghost Physics Are Different and partly because Identity is a Big Deal in the afterlife. So while to a human "Danny" and "Dani" sound identical, to a ghost they're the same amount similar as "Bob" and "Rob." The two of them tend to forget that and genuinely don't understand why Sam and Tucker keep getting their names confused without context. They always know which one is being referred to, after all.
Some interesting exceptions:
-Jazz can hear the difference because Big Sister Powers.
-Valerie can hear the difference because I'm fully convinced that her second suit makes her at least 20% ghost.
-Vlad can't hear the difference despite being part ghost because he sucks and refuses to use or acknowledge their preferred nicknames.
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blackbird5154 · 22 days
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Continuing with observations on Papa III…
What do we know about Terzo's personality? Special Ghoul described him as a nice and joyful person, but they "don't know him that well". Tobias characterized him as a frustrated old guy with "his wounds and his darkness". Tobias likes the multiple layers: he creates layered songs, layered albums and layered characters.
At one of his acoustic performances, Terzo said: "Speaking of having fun and having, you know, this is a song about maybe possibly not having. Not having everything at least. When the night is over, some of you might have someone to go home with and some of you might not have. That might not be a good thing but it can be a good thing if you are in the company of your spirits... that can keep your company in a dark hour." And at another: "This is a song about having and not having. Spirits to accompany lonely nights. In times of trouble father Roky (*Erickson) comes and speaks to me." This is a reference to the song "Let It Be" by Beatles. Here is the original text:
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me Speaking words of wisdom, let it be…
If you keep listening to this song, you will realize that it is very sad. And so is the person who quotes it. The one who says that in tough moments he finds solace in a musician who passed away long ago. That on lonely nights, ghosts are the only emotional support he can count on. Are they literally ghosts or are they memories of people he has lost?
It's generally accepted that Copia is the Main Sad Guy of the Ghost universe. He comes on stage and talks about depression. He has a sad face, lives with his mom, and has no friends. But what about the guy who comes on stage with a smile in his eyes to joke around and entertain the crowd? The guy who never complains, is always joyful and nice, ready to encourage you and hold your hand? The one who doesn't socialize with anyone in the band offstage, not even with the ghouls? Who knows all about having and not having and goes back to his lonely house to talk with his ghosts?
[Part 5]
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osirisiii-bc · 2 months
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Papa's chasuble colours analysis.
It’s sad to see the fandom so sleepy, so what a better moment to be back with some ramblings…
So, we know each Papa got their own chasuble colour, but is it casually assigned?
In the Catholic church, vestments colours have specific meanings, usually they change based on the celebration or festivity period, so I thought it would be cool to find out if the meanings match in Ghost’s world too.
The colours used by our Papas are:
Papa IV - Blue: Advent. It is a period (usually 24 days) before Christmas. We witnessed his journey from Cardinal to Pope, with his ascension on stage; he basically reborn as Papa Emeritus IV. I think it would be a nice analogy to Christmas. Blue is also connected to the celebrations of the Holy Mary… I don’t think I have to say more.
Papa III - Purple: Lent. It is the 40 days period before Easter, when christians celebrate death and resurrection of Jesus… are you thinking what I’m thinking? Plus, purple is also the color of grief (death) in Catholic Church.
Papa II - Green: Epiphany/Pentecost. The Epiphany indicates many events in Catholicism, in particular the arrival of the Magis at Jesus’ birth, the event of his baptism and the Cana Wedding (that is also a badass painting of Paolo Veronese that the Louvre should give us back, btw. It is one of my life’s missions. They can keep the Mona Lisa.). So we have a birth (Year Zero), the moment Jesus becomes the “son of God” (Jigolo Har Megiddo, to say one) and a feast with wine (Body and Blood…?). The Pentecost is even more interesting; it is celebrated seven Sundays after Easter to celebrate the descent of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles, event that marks the start of the Catholic Church. Now, in 1966 Anton LaVey and Kenneth Anger founded the Church of Satan, declaring that year the Year One. Ghost did the Year Zero, which I always thought was a refer to both the christian Year Zero and the satanic Year One. In both cases, a birth/start is involved, so the birth of the Antichrist as main theme is on point.
Papa I - Red/White: red for Holy Week/Pentecost, white for Christmas/Easter/Marriage. It is often said that Primo represents everything that’s holy, so a refer to the holiest of Christian festivities would make sense to me.
I haven’t gotten into all the details because there would be too much to say and analyze. I don’t know if TF has ever planned all this, maybe not - even if in a last year interview he said he was planning the color scheme of the new era, so it shouldn’t be completely casual-, especially with the first Papas, but even if he didn’t his ass is lucky enough to catch some cool coincidences.
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