#he who does what the goddesses love (djehuty)

[sol-ulfr]

Merytmwtheryt -> Sölulfr

For reasons that I will be keeping personal for the most part, I will be leaving the Kemetic Pagan path and moving to a more Norse-centered one. This means I won't be posting Kemetic-related things anymore. I'm very sorry if that's what you primarily follow me for! But for me it's time to move on to something else.

I will be adding all of my Kemetic tags to this post so you can see things about specific Kemetic deities or topics if you would like to.

Thank you to everyone who has joined me on my journey so far! It's been a pleasure, and I hope you stick around 💕

[chthonicdivinebard]

Whereas Ipui's stela portrays a man in awe at his good fortune in seeing the Goddess in a dream, the other hymn describes a divine verbal communication received in a dream. The Ramesside official Djehutiemhab, by trade an overseer of the fields of the temple of Amun, engraved in his Theban tomb (TT 194) a detailed description of his intimate encounter with the Goddess Hathor. In many respects, his tomb is unique among those of his peers, and this hymn is an example of the originality of texts chosen to appear on the walls of his tomb. A hymn of the Golden One, Eye of Ra, who kisses the earth for Her ka. A prayer to Her beautiful place, applauding Her everyday, [by Osi]ris, the overseer of the fields of the temple of Amun, Djehuti[emhab, the justified.] [He said: "I have come] before you, Lady of the Two Lands, Hathor, Great of Love. Behold [I...] for your beautiful face, and I kissed the earth for your ka. I am a real priest of yours and I am upon the waters of your command. I don't cast aside the speech of your mouth; I don't ignore your teachings. I am upon the path of that which you yourself have given, upon the road that you have made. How happy is the moment for the one who knows you; everyone who sees you is praised. How joyful it is, when the one who enters your shadow rests by your side! You are the one who predicted my tomb chapel at the beginning, as it was first decided. That which you said, has happened; your plan [is carried out] and a place [is made] for my mummy. You will give me old age, and my rest, while I [am] healthy and satisfied with life, my eye able to see, and all my limbs complete. You are the one who has spoken to me yourself, with your own mouth- 'I am the beautiful Hely, my shape being that [...] of Mut; I have come in order to instruct you: See, your place- fill yourself with it, without travelling north, without travelling south'- while I was in a dream, while the earth was in silence, in the deep of the night. At dawn, my heart was delighted, I was rejoicing, and I gave myself over to the West in order to do as She said. For you are a Goddess who does what She says, a noble Lady to whom one owes obedience. I have not neglected your speech; I have not transgressed your plans. I perform only according to that which you said. Place your face in order to let me bow down to it. Reward [with] your beauty that I may perceive your form within my tomb in order that I may recount your power in order to make young men know [of it.]"

The Open Portal: Dreams and Divine Power in Pharaonic Egypt by Kasia Szpakowska in “Magic in History: Prayer, Magic, and the Stars in the Ancient and Late Antique World” edited by Scott Noegel, Joel Walker, and Brannon Wheeler (p 118-20)

[intaier]

Can a God [especially, Netjer] lie to a devotee?

... I may better believe that random internet person would lie about their "godphone conversation" or other interaction with God, than that a God will lie. Lying, normally, is not what the Gods will do. They can, indeed, word things in a tricksters’ way... Sometimes we may not get the FULL picture, but only what we need to know right now. [There are gods in other pantheons who don't mind lying and cheating more intense than the Netjeru; but let's talk about the Netjeru] The Netjeru have no reason to lie to people. Especially to people who are their followers and worshippers, who respect Them and honor Them and are Their friends.

The conversations between Gods themselves, recorded in the myths... well, these are MYTHS. In the myths, Netjeru used tricks to achieve their goals; Such as Aset getting to the courtplace on the island, tricking the boatman Anti, then tricking Set to make him proclaim Heru as Heir of the throne. But this is Mythology, and it took place in Mythical Times, and who knows with which level of metaphor we should perceive all the myths nowadays? The Myths we have about Netjeru, are human tales about the Gods and not sacrted scripture.

So generally... Can a Netjer lie to a human? Technically yes, they can. But not exactly telling lies, more likely using trickstery and cheat words if they really need to achieve something GREATLY important. Even in the mythical times - the Netjeru were not running around lying to people every day. If we will take the myths of Aset/Isis, we will see that she can tell people not the full truth, and trick them, to achieve something important. Such as she tricks Anti-boatman to take her to the island where the court is gathering; because it's IMPORTANT for the whole Universe to finish her agenda of Making Heru the King. And also she tricks Set, using the world-play. Also when she goes looking for Osiris' body, and enters the King's palace temporarily for babysitting :) she doesn't tell them she is Goddess. But not saying full truth about who you are is not lying. We can look through the myths and see the behavior of Netjeru. Babi accuses Djehuty in stealing the offerings; does he tell a lie? By studying this myth carefully, we may come to conclusion that if we take in consideration Khonsu-Djehuty syncretic form, then Babi is not lying, just not knowing/not telling the full truth. Again, this is not about Netjeru dealing with PEOPLE, this is between the Gods, and so it's harder for us to judge. What Set was doing in Osyrian myth cycle, again, was important for the whole Universe and cosmic balance, as part of the transformation of Osiris. What They did, had to be done; and we are living not in mythical times. Gods don't spend their time all day with us on Earth. And many of the myths are still myths. We don't have to see them all as something that happened literally.

So, to sum things up, we can find examples of the Netjeru mostly using trickstery, cheat, taking one other' guises in mythology. But not like they do it all the time. Every thing like this is an exception from "we all live on Maat" rule and is done for greater good. Aset cheats with Anti and Set, but it's Important to make Heru a King.

So, the chance that the God will LIE to human devotee is really very small, at least with kemetic pantheon. And even if they will say something that would turn out not to be truth, there are chances of: godphone jamming, divination going wrong, plain misunderstanding, Gods tricking you into doing something for the purpose of some greater good that you will realize later. Also Gods may just play harmless pranks. For fun. They do. Their agendas are so big that we simply can't comprehend the WHOLE picture. About God theoretically telling to a huge wrongdoer "What you are doing is ok"...   -- there is a big chance of: dealing with impostor entity/spirit, person making things up, person dealing with their own thoughtform, person misinterpreting the message of the God, etc.

Because we would like to hear good things. And receive approval from Gods. Also the godphoning itself is a thing that is complicated. Impostors happen. Wishful thinking happens. Just plain dealing with imaginary friend instead of God may happen.

And so my opinion is, the Netjeru must have Very Serious Reason to tell a human something that would qualify as a lie. And even then, human interpreting is as a LIE may be wrong. Trickstery is not always lying. Just like the kids scream "abuse" when God doesn't give them candy, then they may scream "Lie!" when a God simply made a prank. Also, theoretically, God may lie to a devotee with really serious reason: for example, to save them from something really bad happening, from the chance of devotee being seriously hurt, etc.

And so, summarizing the things up (This is my opinion, remember): - there is a possibility the God may lie to a person. - but the chances that a Netjer would intentionally lie to a devotee, are really small. Our relationships with the Netjeru should have foundation of respect, faith, trust, devotion, love; Gods are not predators looking for our energy and our offerings. They are our Friends, Parents, Brothers, Teachers, Mentors, Guides. And before all, They Are Gods; Gods, worthy-of-worship. * all points expressed above are my private opinion