ama mgtow
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You both like feminism.
Stranger: Hi I am a MGTOW . Ask me anything . If you are seeing this message again , disconnect .
You: howdy
You: hmmm, how is going your own way treating you?
Stranger: treating you?
Stranger: whats that supposed to mean?
You: do you enjoy it?
Stranger: yeah
You: cool
You: good for you
Stranger: thanks but is that all? i thought a humans can be creative enough . ask me something else
You: what does going your own way look like?
You: did you have to move out of the city?
You: do you live on a commune?
You: is it a cool farm space with anarchist organizing structures?
Stranger: its pretty normal i guess
Stranger: no
Stranger: no
You: or is it a bleak capitalist wet dream like galt's hidden mountain pass in atlas shrugged?
Stranger: i have no idea
You: oh,
Stranger: i have no idea
You: are you recruiting other men?
Stranger: hmm thats interesting . well not really
Stranger: but i am thinking of doing so
Stranger: like all other mgtows
You: i see
You: why did you decide to go your own way?
Stranger: because it makes the most sense to me personally like many other men
You: does the world of women scare you?
Stranger: world of women? you think thats a different world?
Stranger: well yes
Stranger: because i have things to lose
Stranger: rn
Stranger: once i dont have any
Stranger: then i wouldnt be scared prob
You: what might you lose?
Stranger: well money in the form of childsupports and alimony / my freedom in a lose sense / my happines /my kids (maybe in future)
Stranger: or maybe money to just appease a whamen
Stranger: like buying her gifts and such
You: have you ever dated a woman?
Stranger: nope not really because i never acted even if they were interested
You: are you interested in sex?
Stranger: well thats a no brainer , an average man is def gonna be interested in sex . the only major difference is that i dont mind being a virgin/celibate all my life
You: some men are asexual
Stranger: nah i am anything but asexual
You: what do you do for money?
Stranger: i am studying rn
Stranger: to give you an idea i am 19 yo
You: oh
You: that's very young
Stranger: well i am not a child anymore
Stranger: atleast not mentally
You: what are you studying?
Stranger: as compared to most men my age
Stranger: electronics
Stranger: soon transitioning into ai/ml
Stranger: and minors are physics and mathematics
Stranger: but i have a good amount of knowledge in history / philosophy / psychology and economics
You: have you considered taking a gender studies class?
Stranger: nah not really
Stranger: i will do my independant analysis of the subject
You: it might be nice to have some structure/guidance from folks who don't want you to be a virgin forever?
Stranger: from folks ? like whamen? srsly i dont care if a remain a virgin all my life. whats so bad about that?
Stranger: see i dont want children
You: what are whamen?
Stranger: so tell me why i should get romantically involved with women?
Stranger: women
You: at this moment i don't think you should get involved with women,
You: i am worried you would have issues with uh... misogyny that would get you in trouble
Stranger: misogyny? lol because i said whamen? its a slang for women in the meme community and is meant as a light hearted joke
Stranger: even if i am a misogynist i would never act on it because as i said before i have much to lose
You: so, just thinking maybe you need to round out your education with some information provided by women about women?
Stranger: ever heard of the saying women dont know what they want themselves?
Stranger: never trust a women's words
Stranger: but only her actions
You: yeah, that's what i'm talking about
You: that's the misogyny
Stranger: well its not really because its a practical solution to get laid with women
Stranger: if someone wants too
Stranger: not me
You: cool, that's fine
You: women have lots to offer besides sex
Stranger: like?
You: uh..... anything?
Stranger: so you cant come up with a single thing that women can offer besides sex
You: i just think you can't see women as people?
You: and if you can't imagine things that people do that benifit people that's weird?
Stranger: what i am saying is that whatever a woman can provide to a man can be provided by his best friends except sex and children
Stranger: if i dont want sex and children
You: a woman could be your best friend
Stranger: well its unlikely
Stranger: in most cases one or the another starts to fall for each other
You: i mean, its a self fulfilling prophecy
You: that you won't have meaningful relationships with women
Stranger: well the thing is that women can be my best friends but for the most part men are the best friends of other men
Stranger: am i wrong?
Stranger: like many women were in fact when i was younger
Stranger: but those 'friends' were actually interested in me . in essence i was the one who friendzoned them
You: ...i don't know man, judging the world off of how teenagers treat eachother is a pretty stunted outlook
Stranger: yes i know its pretty grim
Stranger: but its our reality or maybe soon to be one
Stranger: so ask me anything else?
You: when you are done school will you go your own way?
Stranger: i am going my own way rn
Stranger: and ever after
You: what does going your own way mean?
You: cause i was imagining like a lesbian separatist commune, but full of dudes and boring
Stranger: by not marrying/cohabitating/or hooking up with women . but the most important is to spread the philosophy of mgtow among men
You: what about collaborating with women?
Stranger: nah i'll hard pass
Stranger: i can do so without them
Stranger: even if i cant i would make use of them and discard them after their utility
You: lol
Stranger: to further my goal
Stranger: either by hook or by crook i will acheive what i aim for
You: what area of enployment do you think you'll end up in?
Stranger: as in field of work?
You: yeah
Stranger: well i would prob be in politics or have my own tech startup
You: and you wouldn't hire women?
Stranger: well i wouldnt need to because i said before too , i am going into ai and electronics field
Stranger: i will make sure everything is automated
Stranger: in my company
Stranger: except maybe select few jobs
You: is your mom smart?
Stranger: prob yes
Stranger: in a conventional sense
You: are there any women you respect?
You: that if they offered you a job in 2 years when you are done school that you would happily work for?
Stranger: not really except prob my sister . even then AWALT holds true
Stranger: no
You: what's awalt?
Stranger: because i dont want a family and just have to look for myself
Stranger: and thats relatively easy
Stranger: so i dont mind living on the streets if everything else fails
Stranger: or maybe in jail
Stranger: or maybe become a monk
You: uh...
Stranger: and awalt means all(many) women are like that
You: do you have inherited wealth?
Stranger: no i am fairly middle class
Stranger: atleast my parents are
Stranger: but i sure as hell need immense money for my next step
You: but if a woman at a tech company offered you a job, you'ld rather be homeless?
Stranger: yeah prob i will . i would rather have my own tech company than work in any other be it a man or a woman
You: even if it provided you training and money that could be helpful in your next step?
Stranger: and since i will soon be emigrating to china i would not be forced to do affirmative actions for women and select people (that is if its necessary) and select thembased on pure merit
Stranger: hmm maybe then i think
You: where do you live now?
Stranger: uk
You: cool...
You: brighton?
Stranger: nope
You: ok
Stranger: so anything else ? it was an relatively enjoyable chat
You: so... you enjoyed getting attention from women on an intellectual basis?
Stranger: this was by no means an intellectual conversation
Stranger: but it was amicable and light hearted one
You: lol, you enjoyed having a woman pick your brain about your expertise/eccentricity
Stranger: nah not really , i have had intense intellectual debates before
You: mildly challenging you to question your teenage misogyny
Stranger: and trust me some of the ideas put forward were stunning
Stranger: this was pretty average intellectually it was more about me personally
You: lol, alright dude
You: i mean you prombted an AMA convo
You: and didn't ask me anything about myself
Stranger: yes i know but you could have asked me about general mgtow stuff
Stranger: or its philosophy
You: but its cool i'm not particularly stunned by your thoughts
Stranger: because i didnt even bother to present them
You: yeah, i'm not that interested in it, i'm more into whats up with you
Stranger: well alright lemme ask you few questions then
Stranger: down?
You: cool
Stranger: where you from?
Stranger: nvm
Stranger: just asl
You: canada, 34 female
Stranger: hmm alright
Stranger: married?
You: sort of
You: in a ltr
Stranger: interesting
Stranger: ever been in one
Stranger: ?
You: yes, i've been in multiple long term relationships
Stranger: nah only marriage
Stranger: i mean were you married before
You: i've been married too
Stranger: yes
Stranger: thats what i was asking
Stranger: from which age to which age?
You: 22-27
Stranger: hmm thats fairly young
You: yeah
Stranger: and how long has this relationship been going on for?
You: 20-27
Stranger: how long is this current relationship been going on for?
You: 6 years
Stranger: 28 - 34?
You: yeah
Stranger: but there is not much gap between when you got divorced
Stranger: and your current relationship
You: sure
Stranger: how come you have had many ltrs?
Stranger: how many?
You: 3
You: well 4 but that one doesnt count
Stranger: and how many sexual romantice partners uptil now? i mean did you go through the 'wild phase' when you were in college
Stranger: ?
You: i'm not sure the point of this questioning
Stranger: well its very much relevant to the mgtow ideology
Stranger: if you dont wanna answer thats alright i would assume it to be in double digits
You: yeah
Stranger: yeah i figured
You: lol
Stranger: so you got married at 20 you say?
You: 22
Stranger: and can you describe your ex husband?
Stranger: as in was he average
Stranger: ?
Stranger: in looks
Stranger: dick size etc
Stranger: was wealthy
Stranger: or not and so on
You: she was a woman
Stranger: ohh thats even more interesting
Stranger: bisexual?
You: we met in college, and got married, but had had different ideas for what we wanted out of life
You: yeah, she's bi, i'm mostly a lesbian
Stranger: but how come you have partners in double digits? were it all males ? is your current partner a male too?
You: no, i'm dating a woman, we are poly
You: i had sex as a teenager too
Stranger: open relationship thing?
You: yeah
Stranger: so you hook up with men too?
You: my marriage was open too
Stranger: or only women?
You: a mix
Stranger: yeah i figured lol
Stranger: but even then
Stranger: atleast you are a lesbian
Stranger: so its better
Stranger: well that was pretty interesting no doubt lol
Stranger: do you want kids?
Stranger: are you religious?
You: i don't think i want kids
Stranger: fair enough
You: i was raised secular, but my gf is jewish and its very cool
Stranger: so you are jewish then?
You: so i might be religious
Stranger: ohh alright
Stranger: any particular hobbies?
You: idk, i haven't converted
Stranger: nah its all cool
You: drawing, writing, bikes, camping, videogames, tv, making things
Stranger: hmm so not much academically inclined
Stranger: you majored in which subject?
You: visual arts
Stranger: whats that?
You: i went to art school
Stranger: hmm alright that does make sense
You: i did Cyber-arts in undergrad
Stranger: hmm i dont have any idea but alright cool i guess
You: and interdisciplinary studies for my masters
You: yeah, its was like "tech-art"
Stranger: well i did get an idea when you elaborated a bit
Stranger: so whats your future plan?
Stranger: plan on gettinh married?
Stranger: *getting
Stranger: with her
You: make art, fight the government, live with my gf out of wedlock
Stranger: well thats a coincidence , we have atleast something in common
You: yep
Stranger: but alright i have already made up my mind about you
You: ok
Stranger: and i think you are better than most women because you atleast stay away from men
You: ha ha
Stranger: thats all i have to say
Stranger: anyways anything else?
You: its true, men don't have a lot to offer
You: me^
Stranger: well yes i agree , men are practically redundant for women and family
Stranger: but they provided something of value historically thats for sure
Stranger: but anyways thats for another day prob
Stranger: wanna ask me something else?
Stranger: any questions left?
You: yeah, well, i mean if you see a gender studies class open up, i thin you should consider taking it
You: you seem to like "intelectual convos" you can find them there
Stranger: nah lol an american mgtow did take an introductory class to gender studies
Stranger: *classes
Stranger: and did a 100 page analysis of the subject
Stranger: not to mention the fact that i defeated most of the gender studies/sociology majors in debate
Stranger: here on omegle
Stranger: and elsewhere on the internet
You: well again, i'm more interested in your reaction to the source materials and how that might help you
Stranger: why do you think i need help?
You: idk i don't want to insult you
Stranger: lol you think i really care? there is no shaming tactic anywhere that would work on us mgtows
Stranger: i am immune to it all
You: its just think a teenage guy invested hard in the manosphere is a sad way to start manhood
You: and not very healthy
Stranger: lol
You: but you'll figure it out
Stranger: it is healthy for some men atleast
Stranger: and i am one of them
You: mmmmm,maybe you are?
Stranger: and this is the best way to start manhood
You: ok, you do you
Stranger: ofcourse everyone should be able to do so
Stranger: but yeah thats that
You: cool
You: take care of yourself
Stranger: k
Stranger: and if you see me again
Stranger: just skip
You: lol
You: ok
Stranger: yeah i am serious
Stranger: i dont want to keep talking to same select group of people
You: maybe i'll pretend to be someone else
Stranger: hmm
Stranger: ok
Stranger: anyways i gotta go talk to someone else because i have limited time left
Stranger: thanks for an amicable ama
You: if you really want to get out of your bubble
You: try one of those classes
You: take care
You have disconnected.
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My Online Flower Shop -loremaison.id
Flower is indeed a happiness
- said the 22 years old, Suci Marini
Whooa. it’s been a really long time since I take blog writing seriously again. hehe.
Writing is one of my virtue, but the working hours and my master college routines kind of making my life into a cycle. It suddenly becomes my ultimate excuse for being lazy to write or READ (I was once a bookworm) :D - not good!
Well, this year, I promise my self to write more! Because, I am going to write my master thesis and it needs practice. Writing needs practice indeed. Blog writing is a practice.
For my first serious post in 2017. I am going to tell you about my online flower shop. I named it Lore Maison. Why so? Lore (based on the majestic translate.google.com) is a...I believed it was Belarusian word for flower, I remember it well BUT when I did a doublecheck for this post, it suddenly showed another thing. Ha! Lore is flower, that’s what I know, as for the origin of the language, that! I think I forget. Maison? Maison is a French for House. So, my shop name is ‘House of Flower’ or...that’s what I intend to communicate.
My interest for flower started back in 2014, when I was still in Jogja, taking my undergraduate degree. I still remember it started when I attended a wedding reception and took several flowers home (They were Gerbera-s, but I mistook them to be CHRYSANT)
It was my first arrangement. Well, I was not entirely wrong. There were also chrysants, but the focal was gerberas, with a pinch of phoenix and aster. Those were common flowers you would see in Indonesian weddings.
And I fulfilled my plan to grant my self a flower arrangement in my dorm. Like these two pics I put below,
Fast forward to early 2015, I started a business with my bestie, one of the core is flower arranging. I started it because, at that time, the trend of Jogja’s flower arranging is so...uhm, not my kind of style. Because, the florist is not an artist, they just selling the flower, so the composition or the wrapping is not something I fancy. I was a noob back then. Total noob. Haha, but I realizd that flower arranging gives me pleasure. After graduated, I tried to take orders, but nobody is actually ordering HAHAHA. They asked as they interested, but none of them took it seriously.So, I just doing the arrangement as a hobby.
I actually feel happy, because back in my hometown, the variety of flowers are more than I ever found in Jogja. Here, I could buy Baby’s Breath, Ruscus, Solidago, Baby rose, Sunflower, Carnation, Snapdragon...all for relatively cheaper price than in Jogja (or is it merely because I don’t know the supplier?)
In December 2015, I decided to open Lore Maison. And started to took orders for Mother’s Day. The reaction was unexpected. The orders were coming. I learned things as I took orders. My officemate, told me several basic techniques about flowers and how to treat them so they can last longer. Before that, I disappointed her because my flower could not last long enough. She is very kind to tell me those things, she also complimented my style of arranging and even believed me to arrange her bouquet on engangement day,
These were the example of my arranging. The left picture above was my logo.
Was? Yup, because I rebranded Lore Maison. Why? Because I forgot the password for the instagram and...Line@. Hehehe. I closed my store for approx. 2 months, and started making new logo as I found that I’d prefer a monochrome logo.
And not long ago, I asked my friend’s help to make my logo a bit better, so now, I am using this logo as the trademark :
Spot the different? Hehe
My biggest ‘learning by doing’ experience was pricing. I am bad at calculating my outcome for flowers and putting the price. As the flower prices in the market is showing the tendency for fluctuating. So, I always work based on my client’s budget and feel uneasy to charge them in high prices because I opened my flower shop because I wanna spread happines (it supposed to be accessible for everyone). Therefore, in some orders, I didn’t gain any profit.
It is a business btw, so I still need to make a profit. I finally found a way...to exclude the delivery fee from their budget. So, the budget alone is for me buying the flowers. Well, in some orders, I still feel bad to decline and did not think about its profit anyway.
I love flowers just too much and profit comes second. But, if I want to survive, this needs to turn into a better strategy.
Still a long way to go...to become more advanced florist. And I will never stop learning.
Oh! I promised my self to open a tumblr for Lore Maison. I did make one yet its content is still a homwork for me to do. Hehe
xo
Suci
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