#im not 'vote blue no matter who' im just

[lurkiestvoid]

Look into Claudia De la Cruz! She's a 2024 presidential candidate with the Party for Socialism and Liberation and she is actively participating in pro-Palestine protests.

Thank you! I briefly looked through her website and platform, and she sounds amazing. I love her policy proposals, and I'll read more about her and how I can support her going forward.

That said, I've been through enough presidential elections now that I do not believe we can fix a two-party system by sliding a progressive candidate into the tippy top of the hierarchy. We've tried the top-down approach so many times and it has failed every single time. The closest we got in the last three decades was Bernie, and the DNC kneecapped that at the finish line.

So fuck the DNC, but a select few dems across the country have indeed clawed back tiny pockets of progress despite the damage of the last eight years, and we need those few to continue holding the line against christofascism while we work towards meaningful change with a combination of community organizing, mutual aid, protesting, AND voting, because it will take all four tools in the toolbox to have any chance of reversing this dumpsterfire.

There are 420 registered parties in the US, over a dozen declared third-party candidates for 2024 so far, and there is major perpetual and growing anti-voting sentiment in the leftist base with less than a year until the election. I personally do not believe we can create and sustain enough momentum behind a single candidate to break through, and find it more likely folks will pick a few faves and splinter across several parties.

In my opinion, we need to take a lesson from the Tea Party and work bottom-up, not top-down.

The Tea Party was officially founded in 2009 as an extremist response to the Obama presidency, and had a growing presence in Congress by 2010/2012. Today it's considered a 'dead' party, but they had MAJOR influence inside the GOP which fed and evolved directly into M@G@-style politics and policies.

They did all this in less than a decade of elections. The left can do it too, if we can simply sustain that same passion for our own shared goals.

If we want to actually drag the Overton window back to the Left and actually break the two-party system in the US, and if we want to see an actual Progressive president in our lifetimes, we HAVE to elect progressives to Congress first to have enough of a presence to realistically bring forward and successfully enact required changes such as getting rid of first-past-the-post voting, abolishing the electoral college, enacting congressional term limits, and removing the cap on the House of Representatives. A large enough progressive presence in Congress can also help us better fund and represent more third parties, and gives us a better chance of enacting progressive reforms such as UBI, universal healthcare, universal education, and more.

But in order to do that at all, we cannot afford to risk letting the far right have the oval office again, no matter who their candidate is. We should absolutely primary all disappointing democratic candidates on all levels including presidential, and I'm hoping like hell we get actual progressive candidates out of it, but in the end I will personally be voting a straight blue ticket in 2024 regardless of who wins those primaries because if Project 2025 is allowed to come into play we're all globally and permanently fucked.

tl;dr: Even on the very slim chance they would be ALLOWED to win the office in a rigged system, a third-party president won't get anything meaningful done with a two-party Congress -- and if we try and fail yet again, we may never get another chance to try at all.

(Sorry for the rant anon, I respect your intent and enthusiasm!! but I didn't wanna just leave it at 'thanks but I'm voting blue' without explaining why.)

[hotmess-exe]

"MY life has gotten marginally better or been unaffected under the current administration, so give the Democrats YOUR vote"

that's what y'all sound like. fuckin entitled. or do none of y'all actually believe in one person, one vote lol

just say that other people's problems, well-being, stability, and dignity is secondary to your fucking comfort under the status quo.

if things are "better under Biden" for you to such an extent that you feel entitled to other people's fucking votes, I got news for ya — you were probably fine under Trump too 🙃

[juniestar]

How on earth is harris v trump a tight race??? How do ppl look at donald trump having SEEN the way he acted in his presidential term, seen his LENGTHY criminal record, seen the fact that NOBODY else in his party aside from some loose hanging cultists wants to associate with him, seen the way he literally incited riots after losing an election which resulted in at least seven deaths, seen his total lack of coherent policy plan, and think yeah well but Kamala is a cop. Which isn’t even fucking true

[vibinglikethat]

this is going to sound harsh but hear me out: y'all have got to stop begging/demanding/guilt tripping people into voting for biden just so trump doesn't become president again. Y'ALL DID THIS SHIT THE FIRST TIME AND IT WASN'T FUCKING HELPFUL. IT STILL ISN'T.

it's just blowing my mind that y'all have somehow forgotten or ignored or dismissed the fact that president joseph biden is actively participating in a genocide against palestine. AND YOU ALL THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DEMAND PEOPLE TO FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM?

i really need y'all to wake up. democracy isn't dying because it's already dead. if it was ever alive to begin with. i'm not going to vote for a man who cares more about power and money than he does about palestinian men, women and children. your hatred for trump should not come before your compassion for others.

[jojotier]

absolute morons looking at the police brutality on college campuses trying to shut down anti-war protests with the refrain of "this is a taste of what will happen under Trump": who's the president. who is the fucking president right now.

[dreamteamemojis]

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[eileennatural]

can i be honest and vulnerable for a second. i don't understand why so many people are trying to assert that trump and kamala are equally bad for palestine. YES both are pro-israel. YES it's likely that NEITHER would ever agree to an arms embargo on israel. but let's live in reality for a second and not pretend that the guy who uses "palestinian" as a slur against democrats and is besties with netanyahu is the exact same amount of bad. the reason that pro-palestine protesters only show up at kamala's rallies is bc they know trump is a lost cause. there is no world in which he would even pretend to be sympathetic to palestinians. and that's like why we need to put as much pressure on the democrats as possible for a permanent ceasefire and an arms embargo. to scare them into wanting to earn your vote, if that's possible

[theriverdalereviewer]

everyone jumping to team kamala we will never experience true freedom in this country

[scringee]

[crystalistrappedintheinternet]

"please vote biden i know hes the worst canidate ever but he's still better than trump a vote for anything but biden is a vote for trump" girl read the writing on the wall

[mostlymaudlin]

….

[bedcorpse]

although i will say. is there a (viable) presidential candidate who isn't pro israel. bc im gonna be so real i don't think trump is gonna stick his neck out for palestinians either

[agonfiles]

if anyone yells at you about voting blue no matter who because it's the only option we have to not have "the real real bad genocider instead of the real bad genocider" kindly remind them that i am 31 and have lived through two elections that were stolen (bush v gore, trump v clinton) and both of these were held up by the same legal system they're asking you to put your faith in. as just a single example of why someone might not vote! there are plenty more examples that show how this system is set up to render those who even *can* vote basically powerless, but hey! two stolen elections is just an easy one.

what i'm saying is, i do not care if you vote frankly, but i beg of you to not yell at people on the internet about it. voting is not activism, and no matter how much you want to enact change through it, it literally just does not work that way. please don't do the vote blue no matter who thing, please spend your time better than saying that vile, awful phrase. read theory! at the very least!

[nomaishuttle]

like youve been saying the fucking Omg just vote blue and the democrat fairy godmother will solve everything! for fucking years and it hasnt fucking worked and youre still like omg its bc we didnt believe in the spirit of democracy hard enough! like idfk man i feel like at this point maybe we can just throw a grenade into congress i feel like thatll be a bit more fucking productive

[bloodyke]

next person to bring up project 2025 to fearmonger support for genocide joe is getting blown up i cannot stand you bitches

[verysaxyberry]

I don't think I'm strong enough for another "vote blue no matter who" cycle