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[geekgirles]

Lady Echo: A Character Analysis

Before we dive in, there's something about me you should know. I'm a TV Tropes truther. That site is my Bible. If a piece of media interests me, then you'd better believe I have visited its TV Tropes page.

And because of that, Echo in particular is a character I've been meaning to talk about for a while now, because I get the feeling people tend to overlook what I feel is the true core of her character at the end of season 3.

As you can see, while other tropes go more into detail about her true motivations behind betraying Oropo, that part of her character ends up being reduced to being a Woman Scorned, and while that certainly applies here, I really don't think that's the trope that best encapsulates her character and her decisions at the end of the season.

A Woman Scorned is essentially any woman who has been wronged by the person she loves and seeks revenge or has at least expressed great anger. And it can go from being cheated on by a partner, or simply being rejected by their love interest and not taking it well. And both heroic and villainous characters can be the ones to break her heart. In fact, Arpagone too would be an example of this trope, as even if her feelings for Ruel are still there, most of her actions are motivated by the pain she feels for his decision to choose money over her.

As you can see, this all fits with Echo's actions and feelings at the end of season 3, but it's very general overall. Which is why, in my humble opinion, Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

This trope is essentially a deconstruction of tropes centred around the appeal bad boys have for women. The thing about women falling for bad boys is that those women tend to know they're bad news, and beyond a desire to be the ones to change them, the real reason that interest is born is because they're attracted to the idea of the bad boy being a jerk to everyone, but them. Love Forgives All but Lust is what happens when the woman is rudely awakened from that delusion.

In other words, when they realise not even they are safe from their partner's worst actions. And what is the best way to have a woman feel betrayed to the point of seeking revenge? Unfaithfulness.

Sure, they will forgive their partner if it turns out he's a serial killer, but if he cheats? Then he's the one who's dead.

And example of Love Forgives All but Lust is when the police is trying to get a mafioso's wife/girlfriend to testify against her lover, but she refuses to cooperate... until she discovers her husband/boyfriend has a lover, then she'll do everything to bring him down.

If you think about it, this is essentially what happened between Echo and Oropo after he revealed he only ever "loved" Amalia. Even if Echo is a much more active player in Oropo's machinations than simply being aware of them, having helped him carry over his plans for centuries as his second-in-command.

After he kissed Amalia and claimed Echo never meant anything to him compared to her, that's when Echo totally lost it. And her subsequent actions are a direct result of his betrayal. It never had anything to do with Echo seeing the error of her ways, as we all know.

Think about it, it wasn't until Oropo chose Amalia over her, after everything they had ever been through, that Echo truly struck. Once it became apparent her lover didn't care for her nearly as much as she cared for him, that's when Echo revealed his true plans: to destroy the gods, he must destroy the World of Twelve and deprive them of followers. In other words, he was willing to commit mass genocide for the sake of his dream.

Moreoever, the fact that she got to reveal the true extent of his plans at all already highlights that only she knew about them. All along, Echo knew what Oropo was planning, the consequences of his dreams, and she never once stopped believing in his cause. Their conversation in episode 6 even going as far as explaining Echo already believed in him and supported his dreams before ever falling for him, meaning she can't even excuse her actions by saying her feelings blinded her. Because she was perfectly aware of Oropo's plans all along.

And yet, that didn't stop her from loving him. If anything, it was only another reason she fell in love with him.

No, it wasn't until Oropo broke her heart that she ever went against him.

If you ask me, this all reads as Echo not minding Oropo's most questionable tendencies because she was convinced she was exempt from ever being at the receiving end of his worst actions. After all, she had been by his side the longest, witnessing how he got rid of demigods that failed to meet his standards or were no longer useful (going with what the show claims, I haven't read Ogrest's manga). It wasn't until he kissed Amalia and shoved her aside that Echo realised not even she was safe from him.

And it was because Oropo had had no qualms to screw her over that Echo decided it was her turn to screw him over. And hence, she revealed his plans to the Brotherhood of the Forgotten, not because she'd seen the error of her ways, but because Oropo had hurt her and she wanted to make him bleed in turn.

In the end, Echo's actions weren't fuelled solely by revenge or even jealousy, they were fuelled by the bitter realisation that she never meant as much to Oropo as he meant to her. It was about realising he had no qualms hurting her, not about how he had no qualms hurting anyone else.

It was about Echo not being enough for Oropo.

And for me, that's why Echo is a better example of Love Forgives All but Lust.

[softplumbs]

'My job is just.. beach' - THE Ken

[psirena]

♡$homielucy if you wanna be nice ♡

[nobrashfestivity]

A BLACK GROUND THANGKA OF KRODHA KALI TIBET, 19TH CENTURY Distemper on cloth Himalayan Art Resources item no.1497 Image: 37 x 26.7 cm (14 1/2 x 10 1/2 in.); With Silks: 64 x 37.5 cm (25 1/4 x 14 3/4 in.)

[trashmouth-richie]

no argyle but karen wheeler gets her own poster for s4?

no argyle but let’s keep n*ah and br*tt on the pay roll?

no argyle but vickie is now a core cast member?

no argyle but i bet susie comes to hawkins for dustin (ok not mad about this one)

no argyle but let’s add linda hamilton?

[k-i-l-l-e-r-b-e-e-6-9]

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔊𝔬𝔩𝔡𝔢𝔫 𝔙𝔬𝔶𝔞𝔤𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔖𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔞𝔡 (յգԴՅ) 𝔡𝔦𝔯𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔢𝔡 𝔟𝔶 𝔊𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔬𝔫 ℌ𝔢𝔰𝔰𝔩𝔢𝔯

[poppys-pets-and-arts]

"Hello mother, I am hungy, please feed me?"

"OUGH WORM SCARY"

"Ok maybe worm is not so scary"

"Thanks for the worm mom!"

"Bye!"

[juanarc-thethird]

The great baby fever.

Saphron: Jaune, we need to talk

Jaune: About...?

Saphron: I'm going to be honest with you Jaune. You are a slut.

Jaune: *Shock* Excuse me?!

Saphron: Don't act surprised, the whole neighborhood knows that you sleep around with any woman.

Jaune: I-I don't.

Saphron: You slept with Ruby, Weiss, Emerald, that green girl from that superhero universe, that mute girl Neo, and Oum knows who else.

Jaune: *embarrassed* I can explain

Saphron: Explain what? The why are you horny all the time?'

Jaune: I- *Lowers his head* I'm sorry

Saphron: I hope so, you horny brat.

Meanwhile:

Mama Arc: I sense a disturbance in Arc legacy. Someone is trying to ruin my plan for 100 grand-babies. I need to make a call.

She picks up the phone and dials a number.

Kali: *Happy* Hello~

Mama Arc: Did you feel it?

Kali: *Serious* That someone is threatening the Belladonna bloodline? Yes I did.

Mama Arc: Tell the others that we will have a meeting at the same time and place as usual. Tell them "Our dream is at risk"

Kali: Understood.

The call ended.

Mama Arc: Whoever you are, I won't let you this away from me.

[earth222ky]

kali uchis and jt for their new song “muñekita”

[tides-of-truth]

Goddess Kali herself is a manifestation of this vision of non duality.

Cut yourself free from mental burdens you carry & enter this moment naked as is.

Show up, here & now, with nothing but your being.

Without holding on to a definition you have been given of who you are.

Free from your story-line you escape time, you step out of the cause-effect timeline you are on.

Even for a moment, because such a moment is a deep plunge into the vastness of eternity.

Kali is that vastness, that contains all times, space & story-lines, but is not of time, space or mind.

[amystarrstuff]

it's always really interesting to think about all the color fixers when they were just low-grade rats. especially because all of them (that we know of) were backstreets residents (or worse) who just did shit to survive.

like, young kali before she had her inhuman strength or had ever met carmen, struggling to survive but still showing kindness to others. and that terrible night where her own neighbors took advantage of that.

a young vergilius who didn't have his own strength or prowess to rely on yet. maybe taking any job that came his way just to eat. maybe being worried he wouldn't come home.

a low-grade iori, maybe just caring for her son, having to kill people who may well have also been mothers and fathers to her own children.

grade 9 argalia and angelica, with no background to rely on except each other, wondering where they'd get their next meal.

and roland and xiao and yujin and olivier and all the other non-colors who certainly went through the same shit.

like, something that still sticks with me through early ruina and now limbus company is how incredibly desperate things are at the bottom. canto v showing how ishmael and her crew would be willing to do ANYTHING, and having tight bonds with one another (much like we see in low-grade offices like streeglight office in ruina, with mars and lulu for example) DESPITE the fact that, at every turn, every project moon game will tell you "dont get attached" "dont get attached" "dont get attached." all these untouchable, above-it-all fixers are still human and still went through all of that. thinking about how the stone-cold vergilius may have cried over his comrades, how the unbeatable kali probably lost many fights, how the intangible argalia and angelica may have cannibalized other outskirts residents just to live another day.

it adds another layer to them yknow. how much of that humanity do they still have? how much did they give up to get to the top?

[honeycocoanut]

[chittychittyyangyang]

I love you, just the way you are.

Happy Mother's Day!

[aloneandforsakenbyfateandbyman]

From Apocalypse Culture by Adam Parfrey, 1987

[punkkmonkk]

[k-i-l-l-e-r-b-e-e-6-9]

𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔊𝔬𝔩𝔡𝔢𝔫 𝔙𝔬𝔶𝔞𝔤𝔢 𝔬𝔣 𝔖𝔦𝔫𝔟𝔞𝔡 (յգԴՅ) 𝔡𝔦𝔯𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔢𝔡 𝔟𝔶 𝔊𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔬𝔫 ℌ𝔢𝔰𝔰𝔩𝔢𝔯