#moirail

[kdonddundo]

Nepeta mini comic

[umbreoncomplex]

quadrant blurring/mixing emojis. f2u

[rainismalyce]

Edits of an autism creature nonverbal communication image for Quadrant romance

Bonus: Flushed Pity Version

[fuckkrat]

[tricksterchalcedony]

Quadrant Purring Emotes!

made these since the ones i was using before were made by an abuser of mine, plus i like these better

will be posting a few more sets, and maybe do some requests? let me know if theres a set you'd want!

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[poorslaindoll]

@davekatweek day 3: Quadrants

I’m among the group of people who see Dave and Karkat’s relationship as being unofficially in all four quadrants. Like they pretty much just call each other boyfriends because it’s easy, but they interact with each other in all four quadrants more or less. Obviously they bicker and mess around, comfort each other, and act affectionate, but specifically that one scene where Dave made John and Karkat fist bump just came off as SO ashen to me oh my god. So John gets a little cameo :)

[doggirldoodles]

> Karkat: become marketable plushie (WIP)

[ijustwannamakeemojis]

[ID: Four pixels of the homestuck quadrants, aka red heart, black spade, pink diamond and a grey clubs suit. End ID]

[relaxxattack]

i am once again promoting my moirallegiance playlist which is pretty great if i do say so myself (ive been working on it a few years and it has over 50 songs)

[bluekittyyoyo]

ALTERNIAN CULTURE ANALYSIS: APATHY AS ANTITHESIS. AN ESSAY ON TROLL SOCIETY'S UNDERSTANDING OF EMOTIONS

listen to me. it only makes logical sense that trolls would have a strong understanding of the idea that the opposite of "love" is actually antipathy; having no strong feelings whatsoever. I know what you're saying, "but the quadrants have love and hate as a dichotomy, they clearly think of hate as love's antithesis-" no. wrong. the quadrants are obviously not representative of every emotion a troll can have, the quadrants are a concept of ROMANCE. see there's the keyword here. love and hate are both integral parts of this romance, they do not exist in opposition to each other as in one cancels out the other, they are two sides of the same coin. having quadrant feelings for someone regardless of alignment is indicative of caring about them, of being passionate about them. I know those words typically have purely positive connotations when used about human romantic understandings but disconnect that for a second. basically it comes down to a slightly warped version of "horseshoe theory" (where supposed opposites, in this case love and hate, are actually closer together than the middleground). I think this concept is firmly supported by canon, examples off the top of my head:

from the quadrants explanation;

"The relationships each quadrant describes tend to be malleable, if not volatile,"

as stated with the pitched/flushed vacillation and the canon examples of pale/flushed, but also I think it is implied (though less so) that it applies to every quadrant and there are many ways unexplored in canon that every quadrant can bleed into another.

this famous line:

"It should be noted that in troll language, the word for friend is exactly the same as the word for enemy."

this quote being on the page where equius pesters gamzee, citing that he does so with regularity and thus considers him a "friend" (but that's not the whole picture). this adds to the notion of these relationships not being considered opposite but stemming from the same root idea of investment in a person.

I think it's very interesting because I believe the authorial intentions of incorporating hate as an integral part of troll society and culture is meant to contribute to the idea of them as a cruel and violent society, and while that may have some truth for the ways in which individuals treat each other peer-to-peer in average situations I actually think the real overarching effect it has is trolls coming off as a more emotionally honest society at the cost of simplicity and peace.

the implications of hate being considered on equal terms with love to me paint an image of a society that encourages embracing all emotions to the fullest extent, a society that might even consider the worst thing you can be not as someone who is filled with hate but in fact someone who does not care at all. I'm reminded of the conversation between vriska and aradia in hivebent:

vriska calling her a "miserable soulless witch" followed by repeating she hates her and "only regrets killing her cause it made her so BORING!!!!!!!!"

of course we also see plenty of times that "not giving a shit" is a thing that trolls are naturally inclined to do because you only have so much emotional resource to devote to a finite amount of things. moreover that alternia is a society that encourages emotional "balance", to embrace the love and the hate both with the same passion.

again as karkat rants to vriska also in hivebent:

"A WELL BALANCED PERSON IS GOING TO HAVE A GOOD DISTRIBUTION BETWEEN HATE AND THE VARIOUS PITY HUMORS."

you may also recognize this conversation as the same one where karkat claims this (rather infamously imo):

"PITY IS OF COURSE JUST THE TONED DOWN VERSION OF THE CENTRAL EMOTION, HATE."

(adding more to the "trolls believe hate and love come from the same emotional source" pile even if the manner of it is slightly off-center here)

and vriska's response to karkat's ranting:

"Did you learn this crap from your awful romance movies?" "THEY'RE REALLY INTRIGUING SOCIOLOGICALLY."

I hope this presentation makes it clear but for the audience in the back: karkat's interpretation of emotional composition of trolls is most likely complete bullshit and not at all factual nor, in my opinion, should be taken as biological information about trolls. for that reason I believe the reference to humoral medicine is completely intentional, invoking the imagerey of bullshit pseudoscience. just in the same way as I don't think it would be reasonable to make any similar claim about the nature of human emotions (and anyone who does is trying to sell you something). in A6A615 dave even states that "both humans and trolls are emotionally versatile sentient beings that can feel many hells of different things".

what I'm mainly getting at here using these quotes is that there is a cultural precedent for the claims he is making. karkat did not spawn these ideas about emotions out of thin air or scientific research, he got them from watching romance films. which particularly, as presumably low-culture media in much the same fashion as our own, would in fact make them excellent case studies on the general cultural attitudes of the society that consumes them. and that society, as karkat observes, makes indications that a) emotions of hate and love stem from the same source and b) trolls ought to have a balance of negative and positive emotions, where apathy is considered more undesirable.

so what I mean to say from all these observations, my formal opinion: to trolls there can exist this nebulous feeling of being emotionally attachment to someone, to desire any kind of relationship with them. and with that the average troll has a far better understanding that the most devastating response possible is actually none at all; to be completely unaffected by them.

so what am I saying with all this? it is my idea that in troll culture, trolls have a concept of relationships and emotions that can exist as a nebulous idea of just being *passionate*, of caring about something or someone and the distinction between negative or positive is merely a nuance rather than an opposition, and the actual socially reviled opposition to this feeling is being apathetic.

for example a troll rejecting another for a particular desired quadrant is heartbreaking (or diamondbreaking, spadesbreaking etc), but as there exists a desire for connection generally by virtue of the desire at all, it would be less devastating and possibly could become just as fulfilling for the connection to exist as a different quadrant, even on the other side of red/black. the most devastating possible outcome of a rejection would be that of total apathy, of the idea that one inspires no passions, no emotions of any kind in a person.

and with that established now we can get into my ideas about how alternian media rating systems work, such as a troll equivalent to rotten tomatoes where movies/books/films etc are rated on 5 different scales (also possibly two different modified 3 scale versions) in addition to a simplified two-scale version where the measure of "good" is based on "how much did this work inspire emotional reactions in you vs how much did you not give any shit at all"- the cane hooks me by the neck and pulls me off stage

[chainsawgendered]

==> PaleGirlfriend

+ a gender identity connected to moirallegience and girlfriends, being a moirail and a girlfriend, etc . (open to image IDs . . .)

[circusfreakk]

do u see my vision

[quadrantbot]

MOIRAILS! AGAIN.

quick breakdown!

explicitly romantic. troll romance. Troll quadrant system that is troll romance. there has never been a time where moirails are not romantic and it will not start now

NOTjust best friends. not platonic, not anything like that. a moirail is a romantic partner that pacifies you or you pacify and a partner who you may feel a need to protect or help in some way

a moirail is NOT a qpr. sure, im sure some trolls can be IN qprs, but moirails are Explicitly romantic in the text (troll ROMANCE) and qprs are queerplatonic

moirails are not like siblings. at all. not a single bit. moirails are romantic partners and that has been shown directly in the text as well with equius and nepeta. they are partners. they are not siblings.

im willing to give answers to any questions you may have about moirails and the pale quadrant, but spreading misinformation about the quadrant itself is not cool guys... ok thanks angry rant done

[fuckkrat]

LOVEFOOL

[tricksterchalcedony]

Quadrant Bonk Emotes!

homestuck bonking emotes! requests are open!

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[mewdusavt]

drew the scene from A Tentative Lullaby by ChasetheSun2 because I freaking love moirallegiance fics and this one in particular Made Me Feral /pos

i put the bg under the cut because i like the stained glass and wanna show it off but dont wanna clog someone's dash up