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Propaganda...
Colonel Brandon (1995):
Alan Rickman has the sexiest voice. Just listen to him reading poetry to Marianne at the end to witness how hot he is.
Alan Rickman simply embodies the truth of Col. Brandon in a way that no one else every could. It's the perfect merging of actor and role. He brings the perfect combination of honor, decency, sensitivity and passion. He is the ultimate mensch.
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Brandon propaganda in which even the film's director agrees that Brandon is sexy.
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warrioreowynofrohan · 7 months
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After a reread of Persuasion, I’m thinking about how it relates to Austen’s character types discussed in this post. It stands out from S&S, P&P, and Mansfield Park in not haveing a ‘charming rake’ type as the main male antagonist, but instead a reserved, intelligent, courteous, cold-blooded and selfish man. There is no counterpart to Willoughby, Wickham, or Henry Crawford.
Instead, if Mr. Elliot is a counterpart to any of the characters in Austen’s other novels, he feels like a dark mirror of Darcy. They are both reserved; both (at least at the time of the main plot of the book) place a high value on social status, and look down on commonness and vulgarity. However, while Darcy’s arrogance makes him rude, Mr. Elliot has impeccable manners; and where Darcy in has strong principles and treats the people for whom he is responsible well, Mr. Elliot is a hypocrite and, though voicing good principles, is in fact cruel and uncaring to those who are dependent on him. Mr. Elliot is, really, the type of person that Wickham portrays Darcy as being. The other thing that brought this comparison to my mind is Mrs. Smith’s description of the friendship between her husband and Mr. Elliot, which very much recalls the one between Bingley and Darcy (as an additional note, both Mr. Smith and Bingley are named Charles):
From his wife’s account of him she could discern Mr. Smith to have been a man of warm feelings, easy temper, careless habits, and not strong understanding, much more amiable than his friend and very unlike him - led by him
I think this all goes with one of Austen’s common themes, and one that is especially important to Persuasion - the importance of not marrying in overmuch haste and without good knowledge of and, at a minimum, respect for your partner. Darcy is decidedly not like Mr. Elliot in character - but at the time if his first proposal, for all Elizabeth knew he might have been.
And on the flip side, Frederick Wentworth is not like Willoughby or Wickham - but given the short time Anne had known him when he first proposed, he might have been, and Lady Russell certainly sees that danger. He is, at that time, daring and charismatic, but not prudent, having saved none of the money that he won in his naval career. There’s also another reference to the ‘charming rake’ type in that, like Henry Crawford, he for a while courts two sisters, the elder of whom is attached (though, unlike Maria Bertram, not engaged) to another man. In Wentworth’s defence, he isn’t aware of the latter, and isn’t trying to make them both fall in love with him, just being his (naturally charming) self, and keeping his eyes open for who he might like to marry; and he very nearly gets himself badly entangled and, later, freely acknowledges that as his own fault. Really, Wentworth has elements of all three of Austen’s main male character types, and is the better for it. (Anne herself has, I think, the most in common with Elinor Dashwood in being the only sensible and intelligent person in her family, and in being very perceptive, and with Fanny Price is being rather quiet and imposed upon.)
On the whole, this combination of characters makes the book feel less on the side of intelligence and judgement, and more on the side of a warm and open heart, in making for happiness, whereas S&S and P&P focus more strongly on the need for ‘sense’ and intelligence. Intelligence may well be a necessary quality for a truly good marriage, but it is not a sufficient one, not when it is combined with a cold and selfish heart.
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taciturn-nerd · 5 months
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firawren · 1 year
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Captain Wentworth at the concert:
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Source: mrjacob-santiago
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crazyrichxplainr · 2 years
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Henry Golding for Town and Country (ph: Cyrill Matter)
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muresetivoire · 2 years
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You watched netflix's Persuasion for the plot.
The Plot:
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hermajestytak · 3 months
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My live thoughts while watching Netflix’s Movie Fic of Persuasion by Jane Austen:
What is going on in this opening?? Why are they so close? Is this when she broke it off?
I guess the voice over helps set the scenes? Cuz Netflix wants a quick exposition
“Shame there wasn’t anything nice we could think to add about you, Anne…I wanted to leave you out entirely but Daddy thought people might think you had died.” Ok so Elizabeth is really leaning into the whole ‘who needs Anne anyways’ aspect here. A bit rude tho
DEBT COLLECTORS?!?
Diversity points for casting I guess [edit: visual racial diversity]
“What good is anything if you have to earn it?” Ok, Sir Walter also leaning into his snobbishness, also ruder than I remember
THEY REMEMBERED THE WRONG BROTHER
Dakota Johnson’s hair bangs are annoying me and I’m not even 10 minutes in
Did she have a box full of stuff in the book?!? I don’t remember that at all.
SHE SHOULD HAVE NO HOPE FOR WENTWORTH (to admit to) AT THIS POINT
Mrs Clay’s use of numbers brought me completely out of the story
Good scene of them leaving for Bath with out Anne (until the fourth wall break)
Just realized: no one mentioned a lack of children makes a wife the best tenant
Mrs Croft speaks of her trips early (also why is Anne there to greet them??)
The script is dropping a lot of “hope” but not any “agony” (edit: there was no more dropping after this)
Mary doesn’t know about Captain Wentworth
Why is Louisa pushing Anne towards Wentworth?
Is ‘Empath’ even in the British Regency vocabulary?
Oh no the window scene
She did it *physically recoils*
Ew the gravy boat too
How are these houses so close? That had to be fake right? Anne only imagined yelling his Christian name across the way? Right?
Anne insults Captain Wentworth upon first re-meeting? That was so awkward. And wrong. I like the awkward silence of the book so much more
Ok musical chairs is so wrong. They have ASSIGNED SEATING and are there no servants to help Anne sit?
Wentworth is not as pretty as I had thought. I want my Blond Wentworth from 2007
Did she really just say ‘Charles wanted to marry me first’? That is so Not something Anne would ever say. Ever. I’m skipping this part.
Why is she upset with Mary for telling this ‘Blackbeard’ story? She literally just insulted her sisters Marriage the previous scene
Is Henrietta dancing with a servant?
Wentworth and Louisa dancing is supposed to channel PaP 05 right? No? Idc it’s weird
The “is this your chair” interaction would’ve been better screen time than the last four things I noted
Why is she begging him to love her? That is not what Anne does. She reflects that he must be moved on and silently tries to convince herself to be okay with that.
“Für Elise” was specific so I paused to google it; it was composed in 1810 but not published until being found in 1867–40 years after Beethoven died. Wikipedia
33 minutes in
After the conversation in the woods I really think they should have just made a modern adaptation of Persuasion. Same cast (they might even be more comfortable) practically the same script. (Tho Anne should still be Fixed.)
Anne is never rude to peoples faces
I honestly never noticed anyone picking up on the past between Anne and Captain Wentworth in the book. Why does everyone seem to Know?
Who is Henry Hayter?
“Households employing fewer than five servants…” blah blah.. and remind me, who helped Anne sit at dinner?
IS ANNE GOING TO THE BATHROOM ON SCREEN?!?
IS WENTWORTH INSULTING ANNE TO LOUISA? CALLING HWR PRODEFUL? ANBE ELLIOT SHOULD BE PURE KINDNESS AND ITS THE ADAPTATION THAT HAS TAKEN IT AWAY. Louisa should not be the one over here explaining and defending her relations like a girl wise beyond her years. That’s Anne’s job. And Wentworth could never call her Prideful.
If they had that conversation why did Anne have to blurt out at dinner about Charles wanting to marry her first?
Ok that fall was pretty nice for the Netflix movie fic
They ruined the carriage scene
Did they have “holiday” in Regency Britain?
I like Harville, a bit knowledgeable maybe, but I like him.
I wanted to like Bennick too but there wasn’t enough to form an opinion. It’s like he was just there for Anne’s monologues
Mr Elliot Speaks to Anne on First Encounter?!? Him. That scene was supposed to be my favorite part. The only source of hope from the trailer. I might need to reevaluate.
Captain Wentworth speaks to Anne?!? About Mr Elliot? And then about the last 8 years too? Naw, it’s too early! They need more yearning and ignoring. No “I want you in my life” Excuse me you’re not there yet Wentworth. You have to let Louisa almost die yet. Such horribly awkward conversation that does nothing for Jane Austen-again, just have a modern adaptation.
And here it comes:
“Now we’re worse than exes. We’re friends.” 58 minutes in.
I’d try to drown my Anne too if I made her say that.
I actually like what they did with Anne and Mr Elliot in Lyme (mostly) (and because of Henry Golding almost entirely)
“An American woman who nobody knew” why she gotta be American? Tho the add on about Sir Walter and the canapés? Nice. Ooc but funny.
This Louisa falling was actually my favorite of all the movies
The reaction/discussion there after? Not so much
Why is Wentworth telling Anne all this nonsense in the carriage? He needs to save it for off screen with Harville
Why do we care about Henry? Just so we can hear about people who love being a widow and don’t need a man?
And now Anne has called someone a “10”
“Don’t worry, darling he’s practicing on me.” OOC but funny
And they ruin it by having Mr Elliot tell Annewhy he’s in Bath (of a sort) He does not get to be so open about such matters.
I never thought that Anne Elliot got drunk enough for a hangover
I guess they had Anne be “deliberately dense” about the nobility for the benefit of the audience? Also they are estranged family not strangers
I do like the fly buzzing around the silent room, it might go in for a bit. And the slurp was uncalled for
I love this Mr Elliot
I also like how Lady Russell told Anne about “Louisa and her Captain” since they aren’t using letters in this movie fic
Anne crying in a bathtub was…strange. And her comment about others thinking she had grace also meant more people knew about her situation than shouldve?
They use first names too freely this Anne Elliot and Fredrick Wentworth
Anne is really talking up her relationship with Mr Elliot to Wentworth. I don’t like it.
“He was quite original wasn’t he” might be the best added line of this whole movie fic
Also where are the Admiral and his wife?
Captain Wentworth at 1:27:27 is actually correct! 1:27:53 too! (This is appropriate puppy dog hurt/yearning time)
Movie-fic’s Mr Elliot is their best character
I also like the addition of the bunny
Ok Mary eventually won me over mostly
How is Anne going to learn more about Mr Elliot?…or is she just Not going to?
W: “Are we finished” A: “suppose so” in that they’ve ended the conversation but also SUBTEXT their relationship
“I’m finished” with a bow? more subtext
I think they should have made the letter reading a voice over of Wentworth even tho Anne’s been narrating the whole movie.
Which they did for the second half but they should’ve done for the whole thing
I’m glad they only used one ending and not try to fit in the alternate as well
I have decided to take joy from the wedding scene if only because it has some closure even if it would NEVER happen in a truer adaptation
And now the beginning makes more sense with the end. Now I’m just wondering if it was the same scene or a parallel eight years later.
My biggest conclusion to the whole movie:
It’s like Netflix said: “what if I’m a 13 year old girl who wants to make a video fanfic of Persuasion but make Anne ‘Not-Like-Other-Girls’ [and more rude] and combine it with ‘the Office’ to make it so funny but keep it in the regency era because Jane Austen and I can just google details to add to the story because I am 13 and don’t know any other type of research. It’s going to be my debut fic!”
The characters became caricatures of themselves at the best of times and the story was butchered by the addition of cringy scenes and the deletion of important conversations and characters.
And I think perhaps they were going for an unreliable narrator in Anne? Like what her True Feelings might have been about the whole thing? That’s as generous as I feel like being right now.
This is a very slight edited version of my actual live-written draft. I removed a lot of my post-viewing thoughts. Also I’m not trying to dis 13yo fic makers, I just think professionals should have much higher standards.
It took me like 2.5 hours to actually make it through the movie
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scuttling · 1 year
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Mr Elliot says happy Sunday!
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mametupa · 2 years
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Anne finding out...
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neverscreens · 2 years
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— PERSUASION.
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Do behind-the-scenes anecdotes count as propaganda?
Samuel West (Mr Elliot, Persuasion 1995) is an ambassador for Jane Austen’s House, and recently led a discussion there of “What makes a good Jane Austen adaptation”?
(His introduction includes the question, “Who’s your Darcy - Laurence Olivier? Colin Firth? Matthew Macfadyen?” so he would totally get the vibe of this tournament.)
It's a great discussion - it focuses not only on Persuasion 1995 (starting at about 45 minutes in) but also on Sense and Sensibility 1995, Mansfield Park 1999, and even a bit on Pride and Prejudice 1995 (namely, why it was so important to have Darcy jump in the lake).
A few highlights:
Samuel West was rather cross at being asked to read for Mr Elliot - until he learned that Captain Wentworth was being played by Ciarán Hinds.
Because the costume designer for Persuasion 1995 didn’t have a big budget but did have time to be creative, she was able to make a great-looking, visually distinctive costume for Mr Elliot out of incredibly cheap materials - billiard-table cloth and mattress ticking.
Filming in candlelight, with triple-wicked candles, leaves actors’ nostrils completely black.
You can spot the cads in 1990s Jane Austen adaptations by their very pointy sideburns.
Samuel West saying Ciaran Hinds is so hot I'm not even offended you don't consider me competition is propaganda. This has also just sent me down a rabbit hole of examining all the 1990s actors sideburns and they really are all very pointy
Captain Wentworth (1995) Vs Captain Benwick (2007)
Cad with Pointy Sideburns (1) Vs Cad with Pointy Side Burns (2)
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rationalseries · 1 year
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"Mr. Elliot was rational, discreet, polished—but he was not open. There was never any burst of feeling, any warmth of indignation or delight, at the evil or good of others. This, to Anne, was a decided imperfection."
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taciturn-nerd · 1 month
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Ranking of the Least to Most Helpful Relative Cousin in Jane Austen's Novels
After this discussion on how distantly related Mr. Elliot is to Anne Elliot, I thought about all the helpful and not so helpful cousins in Jane Austen's novels. It started as a list of relatives but it got too long. Going to split it up. This was going to be a poll but it's really no contest.
Also inspired by this Ranking of Jane Austen Heroines, in Ascending Order of Culpability by @mellpenscorner
Mr. Elliot Insults the family name and tries to keep Sir Walter from re-marrying Mrs. Clay (good thing?) and pursues Anne Elliot to get the family title but plans to keep Mrs. Clay as a mistress. Refuses to help Anne's widowed friend Mrs. Smith even though he's the executor of her late husband's will.
Maria and Julia Bertram Look down on Fanny for being uneducated and poor, but this is encouraged by Mrs. Norris. They generally ignore her and mistreat her.
Mr. Collins Is set to inherit Longbourne (not his fault) and tries to connect with the Bennet family to restore the relationship. Tries to marry one of the Bennet girls to keep the inherited property in their family and provide a home. Not that bad a guy really but needs to learn that a rejected proposal is a rejected proposal. Will give you a sanctimonious lecture in a time of family crisis.
Edmund Bertram Looks out for Fanny's health and well-being and defends her against the rest of the family's neglect some of the time. He's not great but he finally marries her which is what she wanted.
Mrs. Jennings Anne and Lucy Steele's distant cousin. Super hospitable. Immediately invites them over to stay. Defends Lucy (and Edward) when John Dashwood is badmouthing them after their secret engagement is exposed and Edward disinherited.
Sir John Middleton Gives the Dashwood women a much needed home at Barton Cottage for very low rent. Invites them over all the time for dinner and parties and sends the carriage for them. He and Mrs. Jennings tries to play match-maker for them, though unwelcome. Kind of a lot but super friendly and a good friend in their time of need, unlike some people.
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nah you can’t cast Henry Golding as mr elliot how am i supposed to dislike a character played by Henry frigging Golding !!!?
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kajaono · 2 years
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Honest question for people who watched the movie
What story relevance do you think had Mr Elliot? And why do you think did they took away his evil backstory and gave him redemption?
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