Can you go over what is going on with Paladins and Clerics in DND, not from a mechanical or in universe perspective, but from what different sources/genres/tropes they are drawing on? They always seemed to have too much overlap in the basic concept to me to make sense as separate things in the dnd classes/stock character line up.
Clerics originated way back in the pre-OD&D days, when the game that would become Dungeons & Dragons was still a fantasy roleplaying add-on intended to be paired with your favourite historical wargame. One of the players in Dave Arneson's original Blackmoor campaign had an army whose commander/player character was a vampire named Sir Fang, who proved to be sufficiently overpowered that a mechanical "hard counter" was desired.
This ended up taking the form of a vampire-hunting priest character heavily inspired by Peter Cushing's turn as Abraham Van Helsing in the 1958 Christopher Lee adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula; that vampire-hunting priest in turn developed into what would become one of original flavour D&D's three core classes (the other two being the fighter and the wizard – the thief/rogue came later).
The paladin, meanwhile, was originally a direct, 1:1 lift of Holger Carlsen, the protagonist of Poul Anderson's 1961 fantasy novel Three Hearts and Three Lions, and was introduced as a subclass of the fighter – rather than a class of its own – in the 1975 Greyhawk supplement. Over the game's editions it's wandered from being a fighter subclass, to being a high-level "advanced class" to which qualifying characters can switch at 10th level, back to being a fighter subclass, and finally to a core class, where it's generally remained.
So, in short, the cleric was originally a purpose-built hard counter to vampire PCs loosely patterned after Peter Cushing's Abraham Van Helsing, while the paladin was originally for people who just really wanted to be one specific Poul Anderson character.
(I'm sorry if that's not a terribly satisfying answer, but you need to understand that practically everything in old-school D&D is a 1960s or 1970s pop culture reference – it just doesn't read that way to modern audiences because nobody gets the memes anymore.)
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Thinking about. Paladins. And how I want to play a paladin. but also like there is a specific guy I want to play and he is a paladin but also weird in a way that doesn’t work with dnd and such. And also like requires a bunch of lore. Because of course it does because I’m incapable of not doing lore
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Round 1, Side A - Cassandra Pentaghast (Dragon Age: Inquisition) vs. Kaladin Stormblessed (The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson)
Propaganda:
Cassandra Pentaghast (Dragon Age: Inquisition)
Cassandra is the Right Hand of the Divine, essentially the sword arm of the fantasy pope. She's also a member of the Seekers of Truth, whose job is to root out corruption within the church... Currently with less than excellent results and methods. When she finds out about the corruption within her own order, she purges the whole thing because she still believes in its ideals of truth, honor, and justice. She also kicks off the events of the game by leading an investigation into the Divine's death and can possibly become the Divine at the end! By and by she's an incredible warrior with a good heart who lives by her creed to the best of her ability, even when (especially when) it hurts to do it. She's not perfect, but she's willing to learn from her mistakes. Also, she's really into trashy romance and is really embarrassed when anyone finds out. I love her so much.
Kaladin Stormblessed (The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson)
No propaganda submitted.
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2nd PALADIN Oliver/Olivier Was Roland's best friend and confident and also the one to scold him with the most severity when he needs it. He was considered the wisest of the paladins and second in strength only to the likes of roland and renaud. his sword is called Hauteclaire.
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I’m tired. I’m tired of all these Youth Pastor Paladins. Folks who see the Lawful Good stereotype and just roll a… a… magical cop.
They don’t. They don’t understand. The Paladin is someone who devoted their entire life to an idea. To an abstract concept. To a Code.
They are God’s most Autistic creatures.
Of course, all this is because of DnD’s garbage alignment system, which has the depth of a soup spoon and pisses me off.
The MTG system is much, much more robust. The fact that the folks at Wizards never cross pollinated is a fucking travesty. But, given how Executive management has been shitting the bed across our society, I suppose that’s no surprise.
That does it. I’m doing it myself.
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