#quadrant romance

[rainismalyce]

Edits of an autism creature nonverbal communication image for Quadrant romance

Bonus: Flushed Pity Version

[invertedromance2]

why are YOU,, a2 a troll clo2e to bani2hment age,, 2till 2ingle??

[roomwithavoid]

ok so basically

[3ntity56]

Alastor and Vox are in a kismesis. Andddd post

[zodiac-blood]

Experiencing quadrant romance, being miscecanis, and being objectum and those overlaping is a whole new kind of experience ya'll don't get it.

[minkyungseokie]

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[felsicveins]

The whole lack of gender preference thing is reminding me of homestuck quadrants and how fucked up would that be in the trolls universe. That said I can see Floyd ♠️ Otto.

Is this what kismemes do 😳😳

[visionaryparacosmos]

Today, I’m thinking about AUSPISTICISM.

Specifically about how, during Act 5 Act 2, Jade and Karkat were functionally a two-person ashen relationship, wherein they both function as the auspistice for the other and a different version of themself.

More specifically, I’m thinking about when Jade mediated between past and future Karkats and when Karkat mediated between Jade and Jadesprite (sidenote : yes, I do think ashen trios can and should kiss, just like I think all the quadrants should).

I genuinely think 1) that these are the BEST examples of ashen romance that we get in the comic and 2) that ashen Jadekat is underrated.

[waitineedaname]

I was about to make a post about how the best ship dynamics are "wanting to tear each other apart (horny)" and "codependent queerplatonic relationship" but then I realized I was just describing the homestuck quadrants. The nature of humanity etc etc

[cure-typhoon]

Ngl, I hate how the fandom has turned "Karkat's being unable to keep things into one quadrant" into "Karkat would be better/happier just doing human romance"

Thats not how that would work

[rainismalyce]

Gods Fuck, I've been having Caliginous feelings for someone recently, and very unsubtle about it with them, but I am very unsure about what they feel about me back because many multitudes of reasons. I've gotten responses and interactions from them that range from Caliginous, Platonic (Pity), to vaguely Flushed in vibes, and I'm very unsure how to go about it with them. @_@

[invertedromance2]

quadrant hot take becau2e wow we havent po2ted 2tuff our blog2 actually about in a while::

a2 long a2 it2 not romantic your partner pailing 2omeone el2e 2hould not be con2idered cheating

[relaxxattack]

How would you go about writing a pitch relationship?

OKAY SO.

essentially, when you get really down to the wire about it, it's about respect.

the foundation of a pitch relationship needs to be some sort of respect, and equality. this seems kind of obvious at first, because, how the fuck are you meant to rival someone if you're not equal? if they're actually better than you, and they win every fight or challenge, that's a beatdown, it's not a rivalry.

the literal definition of rivalry itself implies that two things of equal chance attempt to succeed.

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they can't just be exactly mentally and physically identical, though, and it's possible for two parties to not be equal and have a healthy kismesissitude anyway-- as long as they consider themselves to be equals.

that's where respect comes in. one party may be completely unable to fight or fend off any attacker, and the other may be the strongest bodybuilder in the universe. and you could think to yourself, well clearly they aren't equal, because the bodybuilder could snap the weak one like a twig. but if these two people really had healthy pitch feelings for one another, they would exhibit in challenges that were not physical. perhaps these two people are equally terrible at video games. their rivalry could manifest around that.

the main thing that people know and remember about pitch romance is the fact that it's based on hatred and annoyance. this person should annoy the shit out of you, and that friction between you is what causes the tension for the relationship.

so, to write pitch romance, what you have to start with is two people who consider each other equal and also find each other annoying as hell. but you have to remember to keep in mind the respect aspect (hatred without respecting and being drawn towards someone is not romantic, it's just plain old hatred). you also need to keep in mind that the oblivious pining stage of a pitch romance can go on a long time, because a classic part of having pitch feelings for someone is not wanting to have them. because, how could you EVER have a thing for someone who bugs you so much?

now, when it comes to the actual relationship itself- once the two idiots start dating, that is- the main idea is that there's a push and pull. an ideal pitch romance is essentially an act of tug o' war between it's two parties. suppose in your general human flushed relationship, the two of you take turns planning date nights, to show your investment in the courting. in a pitch romance, it might be more like taking turns winning- if your pitch partner has just pulled an incredible prank on you, it is now your turn to come up with something even better to get back at them with. you can't be shown up by them! you want to win!

so writing the beginning of their relationship might involve a lot of dates that are essentially formal challenges. what these are of course depends on the characters themselves; nobody likes the same kind of dates and similarly nobody likes the same kind of pitch challenge. if the two parties have similar interests, like say they both enjoy gaming, you might pick that so they can sharpen their skills on each other and try to become better. if they have very different interests, perhaps they'd do something neither of them are super familiar with, in order to be on even footing (remember that equality is very important to a pitch relationship). however, if one member wants the other to learn how to do their favorite thing, e.g. fencing, perhaps they would train their kismesis, and the real challenge would come from seeing who can be more patient, the teacher or the student. there could be some real tension in not knowing whether your partner is going easy on you or not, but showing them you can work hard anyway.

that's what the honeymoon period would be like, in my opinion- tons of challenge dates and pranks, while the relationship is new and fun and fresh they're probably teasing each other all the time and trying to see what one can get better at than the other.

when it comes to later, deeper aspects of kismesissitude, an important function of a kismesis is to point our your faults. yes, they respect you, but of course at the end of the day they still hate you-- and the reason they hate you is because you're too much of an aggravating person to let your good qualities fully come through. if one of your flaws is seriously fucking up your other abilities, it is the job of a kismesis to force you to notice this crack in your armor, so that you can get back to meeting them on equal ground.

for example, if your battle moves are becoming predictable, maybe they block every single move you make in a fight and then tell you they saw it all coming, so that you know you need to work on your tells, or switch up your moves. you want to get better than your kismesis, and in a way you want to get better for them, because you want them to respect you and continue to stay in your relationship. this also applies to mental and emotional flaws; battle skills are just the easiest visual example.

important fact: a healthy kismesissitude, like any healthy romance, is good for both parties.

if one person is consistently getting beaten down by words and defeats by the other person, who refuses to let up, that is abuse. they are absolutely not on equal footing, and no one is getting better at anything- no rivalry is taking place. (a kismesis should only be pointing flaws that are actually harmful to you or others, and actually reasonably fixable. your inability to dodge a sword is something you can train to fix. being disabled for example, however, is not something you can train to fix. beating down on your for traits you cannot change is abuse, even if a kismesis thinks or claims they are well meaning.)

conversely, if someone begins to find their kismesis isn't strong enough or interesting enough to warrant challenging and fighting, that is relationship also unhealthy, and likely going to end soon. being bored with your kismesis means they aren't challenging you in your rivalry at all, in which case they need to get back on even footing- or perhaps you just aren't interested in them as a person, which means the romantic feelings are gone.

(consider, as examples of unhealthy pitch relationships that broke up: terezi and gamzee, in which the relationship seemed to exist mainly because of terezi's low self esteem, and vriska and eridan, who broke things off because vriska became bored of it.)

pitch relationships can be unhealthy, the same as flushed relationships. if the power dynamics are not equal, or there's some insane excusing of actions or abuse of power going on, that's not healthy. it can be interesting though if you're trying to write a pitch relationship gone wrong, but i'm going off the assumption that this anon was wanting my opinion of how to write a healthy and happy-ending pitch romance.

so that's sort of my thesis on how to write healthy and fun pitch romance-- there's a tug of war, a lot of respect, arguing, challenges, training arcs, banter, and exhilaration. oh and of course, what everyone who hears about kismesissitude first imagines- yes, there's hate-fucking. all of those physical fights where you try to beat your rival you're romantically into at stuff? obviously that's going to have a ton of sexual tension. erotically charged swordfights are where it's at.

enjoy writing :]

[vexwerewolf]

I love how trolls who are arguing in public get accused of flirting with bystanders for an auspistice

[zodiac-blood]

Juat found out there is actually a term for experiencing attraction from the troll quadrants [hemioromantic] so using that now and going to tag some of our posts as that.

Also Aparently some headmates in our system already knew this term was a thinf and we found out by realising someone added the term to our collective label list a while back lol

[juney-blues]

Personally I think it’s hilarious that a huge part of Homestuck’s “quadrant” system is “while this is a broader and more expansive view of Love than our typical human one, it is still unnecessarily limiting and most participants tend to find fulfilment in love that either trancends or lies outside of it.” and yet people still have stupid arguments like “ummm moirails can’t kiss it’s explicitly *not* romantic love like we think about it” like holy shit dude how did you miss the point so hard lmao