#she convinced Mayrina to let go of her husband

[wavebiders]

The thing that really gets me about Wyll and Karlach is just how their bond is allowed to have the importance in their narratives that it has

I mean, in games like these the cast is always going to be centered around the pc. Sure, the relationships between other companions can be developed through party banter, commentary, or even cinematics, but at the end of the day everyone's most significant relationship is always going to be the player. That's the person who most affects them and where their story is going

With these two, it's not even that Tav isn't vitally important to them both, but it's meeting Karlach that changes Wyll's life one way or another. It's Wyll that's the first person to stick out his neck for Karlach, and sends her reeling. Their bond alone is enough to convince Karlach to go to Avernus and stay alive

It's a very bold choice to risk limiting the player's importance in order to drive home the connection between two characters, and I really appreciate Larian for going there

[teeldaa]

Auntie Ethel cut content from act 2

this has been sitting in my drafts for a while... these voice lines were datamined from patch 8 of early access Ethel was supposed to have quests and content in act 2 that all got cut

if you left Mayrina with her in act 1 you could meet them together in act 2 she was trying to bring her husband back to life

you could have take on Mayrina's debt if you wanted and Ethel would let her keep her baby if you did that

in exchange she wanted one of player's eye it was going to be a similar situation to Wyll's sending stone eye Ethel could see through it and message you!

there were also other deals that included finding Ethel's nephew and delivering some sort of poison?!

unlike the full release she wasn't going to be in act3(Anti-Hag support group and Vanra stuff were added after that late rewrite) there was another deal,Ethel wanted us to deliver a letter and a potion to her sister that lived in baldur's gate i'm guessing this is the mysterious "M"?!who datamined to be the leader of The Hag Coven in act3?!

Ethel was supposed to be the one who sell you potions in act 2 so i guess the person who replaced her in the release version is Araj Oblodra i think that Astarion's Araj quest is a reskin of Gale's deleted quest with Ethel Any companion could ask her to help them with their problem but she only had a solution for Gale's orb(not sure if that actually was going to work or not)she would gave him a potion that made him impervious to the passing of time i think he didn't trust Ethel but you could convince him to do it(you can listen to Gale's lines here) Ethel also had several lines asking if that potion did work or not

(Part 2 here)

[lunawish]

the events (and order) of kira's "canon".

ACT 1 + PROLOGUE

frees us, does not mutilate it; frees shadowheart

recruits shadowheart first, then gale, astarion, and lae'zel

meets withers in the dank crypt

stops the aradin from punching zevlor; persuades rolan & siblings to stay

recruits wyll and offer to help him look into the "devil situation"

stops arka from killing sazza & helps free sazza; saves arabella

finds kagha's note in her chest when looking for some "valuables" to spirit away because they were broke and gonna go hungry

gets poisoned by nettie but doesn't kill her, offers to find halsin

learns how to play an instrument from alfira, saves mirkon from the harpies ; steals mattis' ring because it's amusing to her but is gentle with sylvie

on the way to the camp she rejects the tadpole, tells the siblings to spare the owlbears

ends up in the owlbear cave but managed to talk her way out

gets really lost whilst trying to find the goblin camp and ends up at the "sunlit wetlands"

helps ethel when she was confronted by mayrina's brothers

lets astarion kill gandrel because he deserves to feel safe

tells mayrina the truth, "kills" ethel, "revives" her husband

finds out about kagha's involvement with the shadow druids, proceeds to return to the grove for the confrontation (just to help buy the refugees more time)

at this point she begins to experience immense chest pains, unsure why. but they're bearable (think of it as a warning for her oath being on the border of being broken)

meets karlach, advocates hard on her behalf; kills the paladins of tyr

meets the dragonborn bard, quill and lets her stay only for her to wake up with blood all over her hands. cleans up the body because it was undignifying to be left that way, waits for the camp to wake up and confesses to all.

vows to never kill an innocent again : this is the moment when her oath breaks. it was the vow she made to herself that directly conflicted with bhaal's oath of conquest.

kills the gnolls, saving rugan and olly; follows them to waukeen's rest. but first, save florrick and the one man who really wants to find his dowry

finds scratch, lets him follow her scent

saves barcus, reads the necromancy of thay

goes into the goblin camp, works with the owlbear cub to earn him his freedom; bites off crusher's toe ... oops

kills priestess gut out of self defense, knocks out minthara (something felt familiar about her), kills dror ragzlin; frees halsin last.

at the party she hooks up with lae'zel (the only "romance" i'm gonna incorporate in this timeline since i don't wanna force relationships lmao)

makes their way to the mountain pass to find lae'zel's creche, stops lae'zel from going into the zai'thisk because it seems too experimental and if it fails, it means lae'zel dies so she insists on going in

takes the githyanki egg but DOES not give it to esther (they do murder esther later... as a treat)

does not kill her dream guardian, fights the entire creche, steals lathander's blood

they go back to find their way into the underdark because the mountain pass is no longer safe

helps the myconids, finds baelen. let's shadowheart eat the noblestalk, steals thulla's boots

convinces the spiders to betray the duergars, sides with elder brithvar against nere, save the gnomes

tried to steer shadowheart away from the grymforge but alas

gifts her the idol of shar and insert the kiss me like you hate me scene (ok sorry i gOTTA)

fights grym, agrees to help the monk in the sentient amulet

goes to the shadowcursed lands through the grymforge

ACT 2

sides with the jaheira, isobel, and the harpers & betrays marcus

helps barcus to find the ironhand gnomes & helps alfira to find the other tieflings

agrees to help astarion figure out the stories of his scars

confesses to isobel about her urges and has a breakdown over her undeserved kindness. isobel does not die.

convinces kar'niss to give them the moonlantern, frees dolly thrice

saves rolan before going into moonrise

convinces the three thorm siblings to die by their own hands (essentially)

goes to moonrise, kills the goblins with her own hands, frees minthara & the rest of the prisoners before returning to last light with them

plays the lute of art cullagh, helps halsin guard his portal

goes to play two rounds of hide n seek with oliver before "spoiling the fun", ultimately lets halsin convince oliver to join with thaniel for now

heads directly to the mausoleum aka the gauntlet of shar.

talks yurgir to death (basically), kills balthazar on site (before the shadowfell), lets shadowheart do the trials (even though she's getting the heebeejeebees here); shadowheart spares aylin

takes a rest here because they know better than to try and fight with barely enough energy. is given the task to kill her darling. (by default her fav person is shadowheart, platonic or romantic) does her best to resist and actually the 'shadowheart has faith in you' advantage let her say thank you

when confronted she starts crying and offers shadowheart a chance to off her

recruits jaheira, slaughter the first floor of moonrise, tries to offer ketheric mercy but instead he doesn't take it and myrkul emerges

after the battle, she tells minthara the throne suits her, tries to cheer up the kids with alfira, loots all the food in the kitchen, adoringly watches aylin and isobel reunite

lets aylin and isobel stay in camp, tells shadowheart her hair is the most beautiful thing she's seen the next day

when the emperor reveal happens, she's disgusted with the amount of deceit because she too, feels like a monster but she isn't hiding it like he is. however, she can't kill him so begrudgingly, she works with him

ACT 3

help the squatters , investigate the bombs in the toys, tells ferg drogher to fuck off, agree to help investigate the murders, agree to help find dribbles' body parts, and is visibly distraught by orin fucking with her head

was about to attack the steelwatchers by the cross point but her gnome terrorist pals came in with flashblinders ! so they snuck past

unravels that the murders were all a bhaalist plot, valeria gives her the pass

says no to raphael's deal but then promises to steal it from his house of hope (credit to jaheira for the idea!)

confronts the harpers in the safe house, advocates for geraldus

has a violent flashback the minute she senses gortash's presence. the bhaalspawn reveal happens here

attends his coronation, agrees to a temporary alliance with gortash because somewhere she feels a fondness towards him

lets wyll talk to ulder; they break florrick out of jail

tells wyll she thinks he should be free and no one deserves eternal damnation of their soul but its his choice (usually assumes wyll breaks his pact here)

convinces the elfsong tavern owner to let them stay there for free

finds dolor, and subsequently the tribunal; murders sarevok and frees valeria

orin kidnaps halsin, kira makes a beeline towards the temple (well, as much of a beeline as she could make given she has no idea where it is)

duels orin, wins by a bare margin against her slayer form. rejects bhaal. is literally exsanguinated, skewered, maimed, gored (point is, revivify wouldn't work in true dnd fashion). brought back to life by withers

is catatonic in bed for a few days (at this point i assume the other companions either take turns checking in on her or doing some of those quests lmao)

asks isobel and aylin if they could witness her take up a new oath with selune and this time for realsies. takes up the oath of vengeance.

[ any romance scenes will only happen after she takes up a new oath ]

( assuming at this point gale's done his sorceries sundries part of his quest and the audience with mystra )

makes a beeline towards the house of grief, does not betray shadowheart (obviously), lets shadowheart have her moment with nocturne. lets shadowheart make her own choice

finds cazador's mansion, brings astarion to confront him. talks astarion down from ascending

finds their way into the devil's fee, goes to the house of hope.

steals the hammer, saves hope, kills raphael

goes to the irone throne, saves omeluum, ulder, and the gondians

blows up gortash's foundry

has a heart wrenching confrontation with gortash and genuinely mourns him when he dies

finds ansur and has to kill an undead dragon. wyll becomes the blade of avernus

smashes the chains of orpheus free, (welcome to gany's self indulgent no one has to turn illithid ending), goes and fight the brain with their allies

commands the brain to destroy itself and all the tadpoles

cue epilogue !