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nostalgia-tblr · 5 months
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not to Discourse, but about Sylvie snapping at Mobius:
She was right. She could have said it nicer (well, someone else could have - i adore Sylvie but i wouldn't really say she's consistently 'nice' and there are very obvious reasons for that in her backstory) but it's true, Mobius has been bizarrely chill about so many things this season, to the point where it does seem odd, actually. I think it's easily missed (maybe?) partly because fandom has decided long ago that Mobius is some sort of therapist/social worker who is always calm and so emotionally insightful and his role in fanfic is to be supportive at the more obviously fucked-up characters. But like. He's also fucked up. He's already said that he's avoiding finding out about his old life in case it was good, so it's not like "Mobius won't let himself think about the sad things" is a new idea, is it?
I don't think Sylvie gets why he's like this (or she wouldn't have been so angry, for a start) but those two have spent very little time together (I think we the audience sometimes forget how little) and I know shipwars are inevitable and eternal but the show really does kind of break down into Loki-with-Mobius and Loki-with-Sylvie almost like two parallel worlds that interact less than might be expected. So why does Loki not "stand up for Mobius" there? Well there's the fact that it's true and that Loki was (unlike Sylvie) there when Mobius said he's scared of uncovering his old life so is more likely to connect the dots. And the element of "oh no my faves are fighting! i cannot take sides or at least one of them will hate me! i shall just stand here awkwardly and say nothing!"
I assume Loki and Mobius will talk this stuff over at some point, but in this episode there's not time for any of the several conversations that need to happen (and presumably this is a deliberate writing choice to drag things out a bit keep the tension up) and idk about anyone else but I would find it a bit weird if Sylvie had instead been unusually gentle (for her) and softly asked Mobius if he's feeling okay or does he want to have a chat about anything? Perhaps over a nice cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits? Nah, she's tense, of course she's going to snap. Ideally she wouldn't have done that but *gestures vaguely* what about any of this situation they're all in would you describe as "ideal"?
Maybe she'll apologise in one of the remaining episodes. But if she does he'll say that her observation was right, if not delivered in a way he'd have preferred.
tl;dr - Mobius is fucked up too and Sylvie (who has just in as many words says she thinks being soft makes you weak) is not diplomatic at the best of times, let alone while the multiverse is in the process of collapsing/exploding/whatever-the-fuck-it's-doing.
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nostalgia-tblr · 5 months
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i can attempt to cheer up the sylkis, but bear in mind i am never right about anything.
It's not that S1 sylki is being treated like it never happened, because you could do this season with Sylvie rejoining the gang after an episode and she and Loki are now besties but no they are keeping my fave from me I AM SUFFERING SO MUCH and she turns up mid-episode so help with a plot thing and then fucks off again at the end four episodes in a row like she cannot be left hanging around because then we'd have to address the elephant in the room. And I feel like the elephant is still in the room, because we haven't mentioned the kissing at all and it's well past the point where that just seems weird.
And the people saying "if they'd got it on in episode 2/3 they'd def be doomed" are correct, that's pretty much what always happens in telly. They haven't made the romantic shit explicit enough to do a tragic parting (probably - like I say I am often wrong about telly) but equally the way it's not being talked about does not really scream retconned to me it. Same as how Sylvie is sidelined in a way that to me says either "actress was not available much" (and she was) or "we need to stop these characters having this conversation or we'll resolve the plot too soon." And if it's that then as a Sylvie stan I am annoyed to have her role reduced just to make a man a bit sad for a while. Because you'd think she should have some role in doing Whatever The Heck is happening after she killed HWR, there's no reason she couldn't have (for example) agreed to come and fix the loom etc while fully intending to leave when that's done (and she could bitch about the TVA while she did it!) But no, she's conspicuously Not There yet also she has to turn up for Reasons mid-episode because she's still a main character and probaby important to whatever the resolution of all this stuff is. (And the end of ep 5 seems to strongly imply that she is.)
And like. Leaving her to the end while "getting the gang back together" feels extremely deliberate as a choice. Building up to her. And then she says nope and then appears again at the end as a spark of hope before everything turns into spaghetti. And then that ending stuff where Loki can control the time-skipping because it's about "who". And yeah possibly this means one of his new besties at the TVA but if I had to guess and I was only allowed to guess one of them.
I think my main point is that yes it's awkward, but it didn't need to be as awkward for as long so something is being dragged out to the very end here, it's not just a change in direction where we're gonna ignore the kissing because the kissing doesn't matter. I feel like we're ignoring it because it does. But what do I know? 🤷‍♀️
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nostalgia-tblr · 5 months
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sylvie would never sacrifice her freedom for anyone, even loki, and that's why i ship sylki even more.
yes, give me them simp men and selfish women. love that for me.
i have nothing to add, this essay is awarded the full ten points and a gold star.
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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So I am ostensibly doing Fic Research by rewatching an episode of telly and re that post about Depressing Sylvie Headcanons I think it is probably correct and Sylvie no longer speaks Asgardian, for I def got the vibe that she has no idea what the words to that song are.
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Meanwhile, look at the stance, look at the swagger:
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This 'serenading the lady (or gentleman, or whoever) to win them over' technique has worked before and is expected to work again. That's confidence. Misplaced confidence, but it's still confidence.
However:
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Oh no, the lad is smitten. Caught in your own spell, you idiot. You fool. You protagonist who will be heartbroken a few episodes from now.
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nostalgia-tblr · 5 months
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no but wait, they did just straight-up forget that sylvie's a loki, didn't they? there's that "we have to get the whole gangs's temporal aura!" episode, where not getting sylvie means oh no they can't do it, might as well give up now. but it was a plot point in the previous episode (and we already knew from s1) that variants of the same person have the same aura. so... why do they need sylvie when loki's already there? i'm not generally that bothered by such plot holes/mistakes but her being a loki was kind of a big deal so how did whoever was writing that episode manage to just forget that?
that part of her identity is barely mentioned otherwise in s2, so was a choice made to minimise it to the point that the writers themselves just fucking forgot about it?
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nostalgia-tblr · 8 months
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POV: You're on a hot date with Sylvie Lauffeydottir except no wait actually you're not she's just fucking with your head via her magic mind powers to extract information from you to assist her in her single-minded revenge quest against your employers so all of this date stuff is just an illusion and in the real world you're her prisoner which actually that's a bit like being on a hot date with her it's just way kinkier than the other scenario so okay never mind you were right the first time I guess. Enjoy your hot date!
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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i love your parallel between ravonna/mobius and sylvie/loki.
i think sylvie and ravonna are alike in many ways, btw. they just believe in and fight for different things: sylvie - the liberation, ravonna - the order.
they are unrelenting in their pursuit of those goals, no one and no thing could EVER stand in the way of their purpose and life's work.
and i love that. female characters are rarely allowed to be this way.
You're absolutely right, Anon, they SHOULD kiss each other.
We mostly see both women through the eyes their respective men, who fit into that sort of Doing Stuff protagonist role(s) but the Stuff that they are Doing was chosen for them by the women. Ravonna being Mobius's actual boss and Sylvie being the one with the plan that Loki's following along with. You could remove Loki and Mobius from the plot and end up with a final confrontation between Sylvie and Ravonna, but if you take them out of the story the dudes would just be sort of... chillin' in the cafeteria for six episodes? Directionless. I dunno, is it good that the women are the driving forces here or is it bad that even though they are they're still secondary to the Angsty White Men? I welcome any thoughts on that from whoever is reading this post, because I don't know how I feel on that issue really.
Nobody ships Ravonnius (TY for your input on that @sarnakhwritesthings!) so the parallels don't get picked up on much, and both those facts sadden me greatly. But it's the same conflict in their final scenes together, isn't it? That has to mean something. It has to!!! D: D:
Ooh, here's a thing that just occurred to me: Loki and Mobius bond because Mobius spends a fair bit of screentime going over where Loki went wrong, teaching him about the workings of the TVA. At the start the only thing they have in common is that one is a cop and the other is their prisoner, but by the end they find that they're on more or less the same wavelength. Whereas Ravonna and Sylvie are in some ways more obviously alike, but the TVA is of course the thing that sets them against each other and neither of them is willing to budge an inch on any of it, and Ravonna won't even tell Sylvie what caused her original nexus event.
All of this of course means that they should kiss each other.
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nostalgia-tblr · 6 months
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actually i could go along with "sylvie's nexus event was something stupidly trivial" just because the TVA's attempt to prune her ends up breaking the multiverse open (for better or worse, we'll soon find out i suppose) and something like that needs an initiating event that's every Very Significant or one that should not ever, under any circumstances, have led to anything so reality-shattering happening. imagine if it was something that might have made no difference to anyone's life anyway and the TVA just overshot themselves and had they just not intervened the multiverse would still be contained and nobody have suffered just because child sylvie put the 'wrong' socks on one morning.
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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send help, can no longer tell if i actually do think sylvie was right to kill that guy and break the universe or if i've just spent so long proclaiming that she did Nothing Wrong In Her Life Ever that the irony has worn off and it's become real
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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But what if Sylvie's original nexus event wasn't anything to do with something she actually did or was going to do, it's just that He Who Remains needed to set her on the path to her Scary Revenge-Quest so that she could eventually kill him and free the multiverse? I realise that's a bit "and so clearly Eve was supposed to eat the apple because otherwise none of the rest of it could happen and so Him Upstairs was just protesting too much to throw everyone off the scent" but what if? It can work with the time-loop theory or as an attempt to break out of a time-loop by adding a new element to events. And it'd be very fucked up because then almost her entire life has been for the benefit of someone else and her revenge turns out to be the very thing that was intended in the first place so it's not even real revenge.
There's probably a fic idea in there somewhere if nothing else. My theories about things are almost always wrong so I don't expect this to be the shocking twist I just felt like typing it out for the heck of it really.
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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i liked the use of 'holding out for a hero' at a point where we thought sylvie was the baddy and so it was being 'ironic' but then it turns out no it's not she actually was the good guy in that scenario and ALSO the show was still playing silly buggers misleading us with assumed pronouns at that point and the mismatch kind of flags that up. and it turns out "our princess" is indeed the focus of a great battle and she's going to save herself thanks very much.
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nostalgia-tblr · 11 months
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do you have any theories for sylvie's s2 storyline?
i have no idea where her journey might be headed. if the leaks are true, and they most probably are, i bet we are going to get sylvie vs. sylvie thing (which is going to be hot, with the superior selfcest potential).
other rumors say that there is going to be 3 sylvies so i wonder if that earth!sylvie isn't even the "main" one.
so we get:
a sylvie who felt guilty, mistaken and worthless thus decided to live a low-key normal life and is depressed af,
a sylvie who felt guilty to the point of embracing the "she who remains" role as kang wanted her to,
and maybe yet another sylvie that has to avoid taking the path of either sylvies?
I have none, because these days I am doing my best not to speculate too much about ongoing stories because of that thing where you come up with A Theory (or read someone else's) and you get attached to that idea (it'd be so great!) and then when something else happens it can be disappointing and/or annoying. If I just let the story unfold at its own pace there's less chance that I'll be let down by a perfectly decent plot that just isn't the batshit theory I came up with one night at 3am.
That said though! Sylvie looked sad in the trailer, not just her face but they'd dressed her in Depression Clothes as well, so I assume that things are not going well for her in wherever-the-fuck. My poor Blorbetta :( She'll probably blame herself for breaking the universe somehow, even if she pretends that she doesn't. I'd assume she's also sad about sending Loki away, and guilts about that too even though it's his own fault for not just letting her stab whoever she wants to stab.
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nostalgia-tblr · 1 year
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Well this was unexpected! It just sort of popped into my head fully-formed and it's very short and let us not pretend that I haven't read every one of those Sylki Arranged Marriage AUs on AO3, some of them more than once even.
I realised I keep failing to actually say what happens in fics when I post them. So. Erm. It's very short and the gist is I married Sylvie off to Thor in an AU but oh no you can trust Lokis as far as you can throw them
Title: An Heir And A Spare (AO3) Fandom: Loki (TV 2021), Thor (Movies) Rating: Teen And Up Pairing: Loki/Sylvie, Sylvie/Thor Wordcount: 500 Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Arranged Marriage, Asgard (Marvel), Monarchies, Adultery, God(dess) of Mischief, i have read far too many historical novels about medieval queens and this is the result, Short One Shot, Babies, Kings & Queens, Alternate Universe - Royalty Summary: This is her achievement, she is the one who has done everything that Asgard asked (or perhaps it could be said ‘demanded’) of her.
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nostalgia-tblr · 10 months
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speaking of female characters i felt a bit called out by LibreOffice earlier when it corrected prince to princess when i typed out a line about Sylvie having "the manners of prince" like a) no i was doing A Thing don't fix my Thing it wasn't a mistook, b) a princess will be raised differently from a prince with different rules of conduct (see previous point about deliberately doing A Thing) and c) HOW DID IT EVEN KNOW???
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nostalgia-tblr · 11 months
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I don't theorize and speculate about anything either. The only thing I really hope for is that Sylvie will have as much screentime (if not more) she had in S1. Just to spite all the misogynistic antis (and also because I love her).
Anon, I feel you, I do, but I really do think you'd be happier if you reversed the priority order on those reasons.
I don't see why she wouldn't be in it as much, she was a main character in S1 and drove the plot(s) and brought the multiverse to the common people (TY QUEEN!). It'd just be weird if she suddenly got demoted or vanished.
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nostalgia-tblr · 2 years
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THERE SHOULD BE MISSY/SYLVIE.
They could have a sleepover where they sit about sharpening knives together and making elaborate plans to break Time Itself and talking about boys (and girls too) especially those annoying ones who just Will Not let you kill the people you need to kill.
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