#the Swiftgron timeline is timelining

[jennyboom21]

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[kaylorstree]

Updated my Kaylor Timeline Playlist! 🌼

Also here’s my Swiftgron and Taymily Playlists! ❤️

[shortkingvi]

me n @joansholmes analyzing the dianna agron is gay evidence

[paperhatsandpaperboats]

To quote Taylor Swift “It’s a clock.”

[tim-hoe-wan]

Do you think or believe the haylor theories that they were on and off after the famous NYE breakup? I haven’t seen anything that truly confirms it other than theories and sometimes they’re borderline larry/gaylor in theorizing. But a lot of swifties and a few harries seem to take it as fact and I wonder if your sources have anything to say?

I feel I have to repeat this after every 3 months, but NO I DO NOT. Nothing ever sent to me has anything concrete to prove it anything ever happened after the boat pic. I think fans also like to ignore Taylor loves exaggerating or that songs have artistic license and are not autobiographies. But if you really want to know what my gc thinks, more than half of them think it’s mostly pr and some of them even confirmed he left the hotel right away after the famous pap pics of then entering.

People pls stop sending me the timeline and analysis full of reaches pls. I already mentioned I don’t take stan theories seriously, especially one with nothing concrete or full of conjectures.

[yorktaylor]

excluding actual timelines and logic like. miss americana exists?? this server is getting to me rn

tayvis stans are strange lmfao

[lex-loudestwoman]

Kaylor Swiftgron: Which Muse Inspired Which Songs on Red & 1989

On the precipice of 1989 TV's release and amidst the Kaylorification of 1989 TV's rollout, I thought it'd be a good time to figure out which muses aligned to which songs. I did my research, which includes: lyrical analysis & music video analysis, the timing of when songs were written, which producers and co-writers were credited to each song, social media posts, and where the girls were in real time. Shout out to @sophietv for her incredible work on the Kaylor timelines and evidence, and to @swiftgronmasterpost and @swiftgronmasterpost for their work to outline everything from Achele to Rivergron to Swiftgron. Round of applause to you both!!

Let's get into it!! (and if you want to just see my conclusions for which songs are about which muse, scroooolllll to the bottom)

The Red Muses

2011

Red was written in two phases. First, she worked with her producer from Speak Now & Fearless, Nathan Chapman. They wrote 25 songs together between February and October 2011. She took these songs to Scott Borchetta and he congratulated her on a finished album, but she wanted to experiment with other producers and writers to play with new sounds. So, after October 2011 she started working with a handful of other producers to write more tracks for Red. Here's a breakdown of Red songs by producer.

Nathan Chapman:

State of Grace

Red

All Too Well

I Almost Do

Stay, Stay, Stay

Sad Beautiful Tragic

Starlight

Begin Again

The Moment I Knew

Girl At Home

Martin & Shellback:

I Knew You Were Trouble

22

We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together

Message in a Bottle

Bhasker: Holy Ground

Wilson: Treacherous, Come Back...Be Here

Walker: Everything Has Changed

Lind & Bjorkland: The Very First Night

McKenna: I Bet You Think About Me

The first time we know for sure Dianna and Taylor interacted was on September 4th, 2011 at the Fairfax Flea Market, which implied that the songs Taylor wrote with Chapman weren't about Dianna.

Karlie and Taylor dated (I think) starting in the summer or early fall of 2011. I think they weren't expecting anything super serious, but it was one of those flirtations that starts out strong and feels good with them and all of the sudden you're in love and you barely believe it and feel ridiculous for knowing but you have a feeling this person is for you, maybe forever... It sounds right for Taylor who has admitted how fast & hard she tends to fall for people when she's in love.

Taylor attended the Rodarte Spring/Summer 2012 fashion show during NYFW and sat front row next to Anna Wintour on Tuesday, September 13, 2011. Karlie walked in the show (slay). This was also the day that Taylor spent with a Vogue interviewer for her iconic January 2012 Vogue Cover and Article where she is quoted as saying "I love Karlie Kloss! I want to bake cookies with her!" She said this straight after leaving the Rodarte Fashion Show.

Interestingly, Karlie was quoted in a magazine as having been introduced to Taylor Swift at the Met Gala and they joked about baking cookies together! They both attended the Met Gala in May 2011, just four months before the Rodarte Fashion Show/Vogue Interview day! So it's pretty weird that Taylor would say the exact same thing, unprompted, when she saw a photo of Karlie Kloss at a fashion designer's studio on the exact same day she sat front row for a fashion show Karlie walked in!!

I imagine that Taylor and Karlie fell into something new and beautiful and sweet by accident. The Rodarte Show was on a Tuesday, maybe they met up for coffee the next day on Wednesday, September 14th in NYC? Who's to say!

All that said, I think Begin Again is about Karlie. It was written sometime between February and October 2011, which would've been a really, really fast turnaround for it to be about Dianna. Between the music video and the lyrical connections, it's very Kaylor coded. Starlight also could plausibly be about Karlie because they attended the Met together in 2010 and 2011, and their 2011 dresses were sparkly and tbh Karlie looked hot AF.

But, let's also remember that Taylor is on tour and just got herself out of two on-again-off-again, fairly toxic relationships, and as she said herself in Begin Again that the last 8 months she's been heartbroken and scared to get hurt from love (earliest would've been June 2010-February 2011 and latest would've been February-October 2011). Plus she's not even 22 years old, so she's not necessarily good at being in relationships yet. She's in a messy place, and she falls in love like a ton of bricks.

I think that this delicate, precious new thing with Karlie didn't work out (not for malice or hurting each other, just life) and over the winter they were distant but were still in contact.

2012

On January 17, 2012 we get tweets from BOTH Karlie and Dianna about the *iconic* Vogue article. This makes me think:

1. Karlie is still interested in exploring this new relationship with Taylor

2. Dianna and Taylor have kept in touch and have a lil something something going on, a little curiosity they might want to explore

3. Taylor likes public attention, and she likes feeling wanted, and she's got two hot ass women who want her. Do you blame the girl for being messy!?!

Dianna and Taylor attend the same pre-Oscars party on February 24th, 2012, and this is where I think Swiftgron starts to take off. Dianna is all happy and heart eyes online for the next three weeks until the Speak Now Tour ends. They're spotted together frequently in March and April. The Shirley MacLaine birthday party thing happens April 25th, Dianna's circus birthday party is April 28th, and I would bet anything they started hooking up sometime these first two months. I think Holy Ground was written about Dianna's birthday party, with the note on the door with the joke we made, and that was the first day.

Taylor writes Everything Has Changed and Run on May 15th, 2012, with Ed Sheeran, and records both EHC and The Last Time on May 28th, 2012. Everything Has Changed seems Swiftgron (thanks Gaylor twt for helping me figure out that the freckles are IN Dianna's green eyes bc girl bye I was full of questions). The Last Time is almost certainly about Liz.

But Run is very Kaylor coded! The pale blue eyes, use of darling, the laugh like a child (Begin Again), locket, picture frame...

On May 31st, 2012, Dianna is bearding hard with Henry Joost to distract from her appearance with GLAAD. I have a working hypothesis that Taylor Swift hates beards and is not a fan of having to use them or be with people who have them. I just don't think it works for her with how insanely famous she is, the guys are hyperscrutinized and she's honestly not very good at being a convincing heterosexual woman. I think there's some conflict between Taylor and Dianna because of the beard.

By June 10th, 2012, Taylor has written 22, WANEGBT, and IKYWT. I am inclined to believe that WANEGBT is about Emily or Liz. Same thing with IKYWT. 22 is about her besties and living life and being carefree and embracing all of the beauty and pain of falling in and out of love and everything that is your early 20s.

We get the whole Hyannis Port x Kennedys summer week of pap walks featuring Swiftgron all over the place! But it seems like they probably break up later in July. This was a hot and cold relationship for real.

WANEGBT is released on 8/13 and Dianna tweets at Taylor (like never ever?). On September 29, 2012 Dianna and Naya Rivera are on a cheeky, lil sexy vacation in Paris. Taylor goes to Paris that same weekend to film Begin Again at the Love Lock bridge (Karlie is also in Paris but there's no evidence to show that they saw each other at all).

However, I wouldn't put it past Taylor and Karlie to have seen each other while Swiftgron was cold. Perhaps in September 2012 right around when she filmed Begin Again?

October 17, 2012 Taylor writes This Love in LA according to her diary entries. So I think This Love is about the Swiftgron reconciliation for whatever happened this summer. Things are good for a bit, they go to the Ripple of Hope gala together on December 3rd, 2012. They're pictured together on December 6th, 2012 and Dianna's all cryptic online about her secret love.

Quick Aside: Karlie and Josh have been "officially together" ever since June 2012, but they were first seen together in November 2012 when they both attended the VS Fashion Show. I'm under the impression that these gay celebrities in their early twenties only needed a beard when they were in another relationship they were distracting away from. They didn't need a beard, they could just say they were focused on friends and their career (aka 1989 era). So who was Karlie dating in mid 2012 that needed to be covered up with plausible deniability? This would've been in the works for a bit before they launched it in November 2012.

Also, super interesting that Karlie also met Taylor for the "first time" at the 2013 Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, hmm? Anywayssss.

2013

I think everything Swiftgron blew up on February 14th, 2013 with the 'I Do' episode of Glee where Dianna Agron and Naya Rivera hook up on screen. Taylor made a whole big deal about this episode containing one of her songs and encouraged her fans to watch, but her song wasn't in the show (tweet was later deleted). But picture this: Happy Valentine's Day, watch your girlfriend hook up with the girl she told you not to worry about!! And then learn that they actually did hookup when y'all were on a break, like two weeks before y'all got back together!! Oooh boy!! I'm pretty sure this was what inspired Babe (in the music video Taylor was the mistress, but IRL Taylor was the main character who got cheated on instead of the mistress!!).

Dianna is a mess on Twitter after that and there might have been about two months of back & forth, maybe some breakup sex, but I think Swiftgron died dead by the time the article about them secretly dating dropped on April 16th, 2013.

The Red tour started on March 18th, 2013 and I can't imagine that made things any easier for Swiftgron. Meanwhile... I think Karlie and Taylor re-reconnected in this time period.

The 1989 Muses

2013

Taylor wrote 1989 while on tour for Red (except for This Love, according to the diary entry it was written on 10/17/2012). I think the breakup songs are about Dianna and the love songs (excluding This Love) are allllll Karlie.

If Taylor and Karlie did reconnect in Fall 2012, then Spring 2013 would be a long six months later...

Taylor and Karlie "meet for the first time" (which we have so much proof that it's not but like, okay, fine) on November 13, 2013 at the Victoria's Secret Fashion show. We know this isn't their first meeting or flirtationship, but it certainly is their first public outing to test what people say about their friendship.

Then, I'd wager Taylor plays "cat & mouse for a month or two or three" until they officially are girlfriends on March 6, 2014. Yay!!!

Songs About Dianna:

Red: Holy Ground, Everything Has Changed, Come Back...Be Here, Better Man, Babe

1989: Clean, Wonderland, All You Had To Do Was Stay, I Wish You Would

Songs About Karlie:

Red: State of Grace, Treacherous, Stay, Stay, Stay, Starlight, Begin Again, Message in a Bottle, Run, The Very First Night

1989: Welcome to New York, Blank Space, Style, OOTW, Wildest Dreams, How You Get the Girl, I Know Places, You Are in Love, New Romantics

[milfygerard]

hello bestie you are my resident taylor swift moot so i thought you’d be a good person to answer: i’m like 40% a swiftie and i know Some of the lore around the gaylor theories but not all. is there some kind of masterpost or blog you can link me to where i can like Gain Knowledge abt it i just really feel like wasting my time on that today

hi ok. God.

Most of the comprehensive ones are either lost to the annals of tumblr or fucking historical documents at this point

the two biggest non-tumblr starting points (though a few of them are still built on a few tumblr links) are the iconic reputation is about karlie kloss powerpoint and the abandoned-in-2019 blog kaylorevidence which are great looks at of-its-time gaylor culture opinions and in jokes as well as having a pretty comprehensive swiftgron timeline, though lots of things have changed w context and time. A big problem w post-2019 kaylor is that widely agreed upon timelines split massively between LSKs and more general gaylor fandom who just like think shes gay/bi or like her music in a lesbian fashion which makes it way harder to keep track of (though i did find this extremely long post-folkmore kaylor update from before midnights was announced) and makes it harder to divide like actual interesting or relevant stuff from babygating or person-who-knows-a-person-who-knows-taylor-wears-someting-with-flowers-on-it type of stuff. @/throwbackgaylor is a good example of having a very uneven mix of both of these things that can be hard to sort through but is probably a good resource for backsearching. If anyone knows how to find the old 2018 kaylor masterlists (of which there were a TON

I know @that-curly-haired-lesbian used to do queer readings and reinterpretations of her songs that I used to scroll thru and ashley norton did a pretty comprehensive breakdown of the taytaysbeard clusterfuck from a non gaylor perspective which as someone who was in the thick of that in high school I thought was pretty respectful and well done even if its kind of unbearable to watch and remember. If you want to see the state of LSK now ttb is still active at @/spade-riddles I believe but that person is a genuine certified weirdo and i dont really recommend it. penelope and priscilla are gay twins also is a good source of at its time gaylor culture and in-jokes (warning for being probably dated I havent watched any of these in a Long time)

if anyone else has masterposts or resources of Gaylors Past pls add on! I feel like so much is lost in social media based communities like this one and it can be hard to illustrate a time in online fandom without a broad spread of examples and stories and pre 2020 gaylor was such a specific moment in time!

[sophietv]

It's not about kaylor but I really want to know about the song all too well. Who is it about? I think Jake G was PR. And the lyrics doesn't fit the Taymily narrative either. This song and the relationship seems very important to her. It hurt her badly. I am asking you because you always make very informative and reliable post that makes sense and closest to the truth.

Also who is Dear John about? Is it really John Mayer? Her only straight relationship I believe in is Joe Jonas.

Hi!

Thank you sooo much for saying that! It means a lot. I really can't claim that my theories are always 1000% right, but I do make a lot of research before posting, and try to cross check everything.

2. I must admit that when you asked the question, I did not have real solid theories or evidence to give you. I was even bending toward telling you that the song might be about Lizz since the timestamp of the song on Spotiy is 5:27 = Lizz birthday.

3. Considering that Taylor wrote this during Speak Now Era and that Lizz was present during that Era, well it doesn't fit the narrative of the song being about a relationship that has ended some time ago. And also, it would have been really weird to write this song during rehearsal where Lizz was present, if it was about her...

But thanks to you! I did a lot of research to try and find evidences (I read all the timelines but I'm not that well verse in what came before Kaylor and Swiftgron).

I asked what my groupchat thought about this.

Re-read the Taymily Masterpost (X)

Read and watched Taymily interviews

And now! I can say with more confidence, that I'm pretty sure this song is about Emily Poe, her fiddle player that worked with her from 2006-2008.

Now. Here's the evidences:

First. As pointed out by my group chat, the song does not seem to fit Tayliz dynamic. It seems to be talking about a complicated relationship with someone older.

As by the lyrics "you said if we were closer in age, maybe it would have been fine"

So first thing I did is look back as to when it was written.

Here's a piece of interview I found:

Thanks to this post: (X)

We know that she wrote it during her reheasal in 2011.

Because here's when David Cook started working with her:

And here's the date of his first show in the Phillipines:

February 2011....

Then, I did a little digging on what was going on with Emily at the time:

And oh does it get interesting!!

Here's an Emily's interview I found (X)

And here's what she was doign in February 2011!!! (I'm excited of the evidence I've found, does it show lol) :

"Two thousand eleven was a big year for me. I became engaged in February, graduated law school in May, took the bar in July, and Eli and I were married in November.”

What did Taylor said?: "I was feeling terrible about what was going on in my personal life"

What if she just learned about Emily's engagement???

And to make it even more interesting. Here's a journal entry with the first lyrics of All Too Well:

Confirming that it was written in 2011.

This is inchteresting.

But it gets better!

Because, before last year, Emily's Pinterest was public. And on her wedding board, she did save a picture with a red scarf....

It's not Emily, it's just a picture that she had saved in her Pinterest. Thanks to Kate for giving me this!

But what if the red scarf was really just to tie the song to Jake???

Here's another interesting thing I've found in the Taymily timeline:

This letter is from the video she made to Emily when she left, with everyone having "I love you Emily" signs.

It says:

“Emily– I feel as if our relationship has been taken to the next level over the past few months and with much contemplation I decided I would bestow upon you one of my most prized possession: my flamingo bandana. This is a 3rd generation family heirloom and i suggest you frame it. I think it will look perfect in your apartment with the cat pillows. Enjoy”

Inchteresting....is the red scarf a bandana??

Also. We know that All Too Well was really significant for Taylor and that for a long time, she was not able to sing it without crying...

So it's about a relationship that had a big impact on her life.

Very recently. Like in June, Taylor performed the song Breathe as a surprise song and very clearly cried during that performance.

The next day, we learned that the day before the show, Emily did this post on Facebook:

Breathe was heavily rumored to be about Emily back when Fearless came out. But Colbie confirmed it with Fealess Taylor's Version in an interview when she said that it was about something that was going on with one of Taylor's band membre.

So yeah... this would make way more sense being about Emily and having Taylor be emotional singing it for a long time.

Than the song being about a relationship that lasted 3 months.

Of course I can't know for sure for all her relationships...

But most of them I believe was PR. Like the one she had with Jake.

Thanks for the question! It was really interesting doing all those research!

ADDITION!! : It just hit me but! The line "And you call me up again just to break me like a promise"

Fits perfectly with Emily calling her to tell her about the engagement! omg...

SECOND ADDITION: This morning when I woke up, I thought about two things that points to Emily!

1. Taylor turned 21 in 2010, 2 months before writing All Too Well.

"And you call me later and say sorry I didn't make it and I say I'm sorry too" from The Moment I Knew

to two months later:

"And you called me up again just to break me like a promise"

2. The night Taylor sang Breathe and looked devastated after Emily's Facebook post. She also sang All Too Well looking REALLY MAD.

People have all noted it.

Look: (X)

This solidifies even more that All Too Well is about Emily for me...

[weallwentgaylor]

calling all gaylors!

are you a new gaylor or do you just not know enough about swiftgron and find yourself confused when swiftgron is brought up? or do you want to convert your swiftie friends to gaylorism but you don't know where to start? you are in the right place! i turned the swiftgron masterpost into an easy to read slide-show! the link is: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jxEqeWQBEe_M351g1ST6CsfgSRI7IpOwAN1xsbQPQD0/edit?usp=sharing

and it covers the full swiftgron timeline. i am working on a kaylor timeline right now so, stay tuned for that! please reblog or send to your fellow gaylors because this took a lot of time to make! have fun!

[whatiwillsay]

I’m new at gaylor and your work seems to be the only sane thing on this site so do you have any specifc recommendation on episodes of the podcast or masterposts explaning the whole thing in general? Or maybe a list of what you consider to be your most relevant works here? Congratulation on everything btw, love your work, so commited to the truth and being so ethical while doing so, you became my fav taylor related context online.

anon you just completely made my day thank you so much for sharing all this i have been traveling home for a funeral (my grandmother died while i was in spain) over the last day and the airline lost my bag and ugh y'all just don't understand how comments like this can really shine a light on a hard week so THANK YOU again.

anyway i would recommend this gaylor 101 episode maybe?

or click here for goylor 101 on apple

and all my timeline series:

we have a 9 part series on kaylor that starts here:

or click here for kaylor series on apple

a 6 part series on swiftgron that starts here:

or click here for the swiftgron series on apple

and a series on tily that's going on right now!

or click here for the tily series on apple

also our gaylor 102 episode is extremely popular with over 10k downloads!

or click here for apple

and lastly this is off topic but my fav episode i've ever done is my non taylor related episode on lesbian vampires here:

or click here for apple

[jennyboom21]

Hey there's a rumor going around that Dianna has a Tumblr again and that she's dating Maggie Rogers. Any thoughts?

I’m curious about the Tumblr 👀

No idea about the Maggie Rogers thing since, ahem, that’s Dianna (IYKYK history), and the internet lost their collective shit when she posted (then posted again at a later date), a pic of her kissing one of her friends (it was a peck, but still, she does this).

However, if you’re someone who’s a “Off / On / Off Lesbian Twin Flame Ex-GFs That Won’t Stop [REDACTED]” truther, then the Accidental Swiftgronning of this rumor (Got Back Together But Broke Up Again) will just get their messy timeline re-evaluated, which indicates that they really are THOSE types of exes.

[badgalazzie]

„stop assuming taylor’s sexuality” no, at this point i am CERTAIN she’s queer and you would get it too if you gave gaylor’s theories a chance and read about swiftgron and kaylor timelines. listen, i know how it feels to be closeted and how much you want to give hints through your clothes/art/things you post online to other queer people who simply „get it” without being too open about it. it’s called dropping hairpins and surprisingly taylor has two songs with the word hairpin in it *shocked*. just sit, listen and see through a different perspective. somehow it all makes even MORE sense. @/annaevanx on tiktok said: „realizing taylor is queer truly opened my third eye like her music and persona just makes so much more sense through a queer lens” and i couldn’t agree more. taylor might never want to publicly come out but for me and many other queer/non-queer people she’s already visible enough to consider her as a queer person. i mean come on— who’s wearing a PROUD bracelet in pink-purple-blue colors??? definitely not a straight person.

[cowboylikemeaaron]

I truly think that if hetlors or antigaylors (if they weren't homophobic) just read the evidence of why taylor is gay, read swiftgron masterpost and kaylor timeline, the least that's going to happen is they're gonna be neutral swifties or not anti gaylor, the normal thing is them joining gaylorism tbh.

[taylorvaughnsaidso]

Dianna right now when Swiftgron has gone so mainstream:

eyes on those vault tracks 👀 and I wonder how many more little clickbait articles we'll be getting this 1989 tv release week abt swiftgron.

and @'ing @whatiwillsay for a real actual in depth timeline/podcast! So check it out, good shit!

[bettyshoweduptotheparty]

WHY SUMMER 2013?!

Love the bear!! I cannot remember the name of the show but I remember I used to watch it during school holidays in the mornings when my parents were at work and I had free rein of the house.. ah the memories 🥰🥰

But, yes, sorry, I digress. Here’s why I think Taylor’s cruel summer was actually the summer of 2013 (or even 2012) and not 2014 like most Gaylors think. And it’s by no means research, just a possible timeline in my head.

I think we all mostly agree that the song is about her first summer with Karlie, kind of casual ‘friends with benefits’ before they were properly together. So the question (that I bet we’d all love to know the answer to) is really how long have they been together. And I think it’s longer than the public ‘best friends’ story that started at the VSFS. That show was filmed in November 2013 and it was where they later told the media that they met. But we know that’s not true, Karlie has previously spoken in an interview about being introduced to Taylor at the 2011 Met Gala and actually speaking to her about baking together. We then have her ‘your kitchen or mine’ tweet in early 2012 following Taylor’s vogue cover shoot. So they’d met and spoken by 2012 and I’m supposed to believe that Taylor, the girl who wrote gold rush and gorgeous, would ignore a literal supermodel blatantly flirting with her on twitter?? No way. I think she did respond and that’s when they started casually hanging out. Maybe a few baking dates, the swiftgron stans will come for me if I erase Dianna from the timeline, so, no, I’m not ignoring her, I know that happened in 2012 too. If these two relationships overlapped in some way I know that sounds messy but what would that be if not a cruel summer, right? The shiny boy toy from the first verse could refer to either Harry or that Kennedy dude, notably Taylor didn’t have a bf in the summer of either 2013 or 2014. Or if Dianna and Taylor ended in the spring of 2013, Karlie enters the picture for a summer of ‘friends with benefits’ after a breakup, sneaking into garden gate for a few months before they both catch feelings. Everybody who’s ever read any of Taylor’s lyrics knows she doesn’t conduct romance in public so by the time she was ready to walk the runway with Karlie and upend her life and move to NYC I’m pretty sure they were serious about their relationship. So, my guess is cat and mouse over a summer in 2013 before they properly got together and the ‘not wanting to keep secrets to keep you’ then meant that they launched their public BFF story at the VSFS so they could be seen together every day. Those pap photos that were taken of Taylor coming and going from Karlie’s garden gate in 2014 were definitely intentional, there was no sneaking involved ;) they were definitely together by the time they took that Big Sur trip in March 2014 so any later than that makes no sense to me. I know it’s not perfect with being overseas for some of the summer for the Red tour but it seems plausible to me.

There you go ☺️