Pls tell me someone else thought this too
ok I'm just curious about this but did y'all also think the coven heads had their own 'coven centers' or something? I assumed every coven had their own main building somewhere on the Isles and that we'd get to see it.
But no I guess all the coven heads just live at the castle? I suppose this would be better for Belos to monitor them, but I kinda wish each coven had their own building where they can get together, I think it'd be cool.
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I’m sure others have spotted this detail, but I just noticed it and thought it was such a cool callback that I had to point it out.
The first person we ever see get a coven sigil is also the first person to get their sigil removed in the epilogue.
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I’m sorry but it’s funny that Belos managed to impose a Puritan fear of Wild Magic over the Boiling Isles but wasn’t able to impose the slightest bit of Puritan Homophobia over that same time period.
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I love the small detail of Jerbo being part of the sigil removal. He says in Any sport in a storm that he wants to update the system, and in the finale we see him being apart of that!
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continue being a little mean to toh fans please it is really irritating how some act like its got the best writing of any modern cartoon
Daawwwww I don't have it in me. TOH fans love it for a reason, and there are legitimately good moments! It's just not the most complex or well-written show out there—which it doesn't need to be—but I also totally get your exhaustion. It gets tiring seeing people praise it so highly over and over again when it's just like...fine. It didn't do nothing but it also didn't do something, you know? It's main couple is cute and queer, but that's pretty much all there is to them. It has a fun cast of characters, but they all tend to fall into archetypes. Luz is a sweet main character, but she doesn't have any real flaws and kinda takes a back seat to Hunter and Eda (the white people lol). Her foil with Philip was interesting...but then they kinda backed off and went the "you and Belos are nothing alike" direction.
((I'm also going to answer this anon with another: ))
And It's not that an unsympathetic villian is bad, or that Belos would even be sympathetic with added backstory, it's just that...there were a lot of interesting things to explore with his character that were left hanging.
Like, while he's definitely not at all a good person, it's intriguing that he would bother to recreate his brother over and over again knowing that each time the grimwalker was going to betray him. It's intriguing that he was even willing to kill his brother to begin with (though Caleb was super underutilized in general). Like, you can give a villain depth without justifying or victimizing them (hi Finnegran from tdp, I'll also add Spider Queen & LBD here). So it just feels like a missed opportunity all across the board. It's still surprising to me that we got a confirmation on the Wittebane backstory through an unrelated background character, rather than Philip himself (who had literally possessed a main character, and mindscapes had already been well-established....the pieces were all there me thinks).
And obviously it's like, people can love something despite it's flaws, and they can cherish it for the good it has, but they still don't need to praise it as an ultimate form of media, you know? We don't need to pretend toh was this dark and complex story—it was just a story a lot of people liked and resonated with. Which I'm glad it's there for those people, and I'm glad there are options when it comes to queer pieces of media!
That said the show with the best writing of any modern cartoon is The Dragon Prince (streaming on Netflix).
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I think Philip's death was not what be deserved.
I don't mean this as in "he shouldn't of died" because i think we all knew that's how his story would always end,My actual issue is HOW he died.
He didn't die feeling bad, maybe he was a bit scared but he didn't have to face the consequences of his actions (atleast not all of them). He had no realisation that everything he'd done was wrong. He didn't see hunter, or caleb, or anyone else on the boiling isles who's he caused lasting damage to. He didn't suffer, instead he gets stomped on, barely painful.
During the entirety of Season (and the last couple eps of season 2), its been shown that Philip knows deep down that he's guilty, and its shown even more with the Hallucinations of Caleb and the Grimwalkers. But he's too stubborn and too far ahead to admit he was wrong. I thought that was what WAD was going to be, Philips 'realisation' and ending.
All in all it was anticlimactic.
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sometimes i see really heated arguments over whether hunter is a really built soldier or whether he's a scrawny pipsqueak and i think these arguments are hilarious because. it is SO relative. like, not even in the storytelling, i mean even his actual design. he's taller and broader than everyone in the hexsquad because he is sixteen. he's shorter and thinner than everyone in the emperor's coven because he is sixteen. the boy is simply a normally proportioned sixteen-year-old who looks like a badass jacked military asshole or a very thin very wet very angry cat ENTIRELY due to circumstance. like to luz and co he's obviously bigger. but amity notes that he's scrawny because she's expecting someone with the proportions of, you know, AN ADULT SOLDIER. the adults push him around like a shitty little pipsqueak because they're all terrible and very funny people & when you get to be above the age of about 26, every 16-year-old you meet REALLY DOES START LOOKING LIKE A BABY. holds all of your hands. embrace the magic of perspective and contrast with me. hunter is whatever you want him to be.
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SCOM Next Chapter Preview!
Pretty noose is pretty hate...
Tomorrow's chapter is ALMOST THERE and Hunter has a ton of rage -- but this mostly closes out the False Golden Guard arc as it had been established A YEAR AGO?!?!?!?!?! I hope you all enjoyed that ride.
After this we will be heading to the Inner Circle Parole Hearings. Or at least the first of the three.
Preview for tomorrow below.
“I JUST WANTED YOU IN MY LIFE!” Hunter shouted. “I N-NEVER NEEDED TO BE YOUR PROTEGE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW YOU CARED ABOUT ME AS MY OWN PERSON!”
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"Those are the heads of the main nine covens. Each one excelled at a magic school like Glandus, St. Epiderm, and, of course, Hexside."
Some early bird cameos! I spot Darius, Eberwolf, Terra Snapdragon, and Adrian Greye. Notable by their absence is Raine, who wouldn't become coven head until season 2.
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okay so like, the small covens like we saw in covention are fascinating because like.
they definitely aren't included in "paint the land in nine bright hues". and we've never seen anyone with sigils other than the main nine. so presumably those covens don't brand anyone
but i doubt belos would allow a bunch of witches to walk around unbranded, just because they're in some other kind of coven
so i imagine witches need to get branded into one of the main covens but after that can choose to join one of the smaller covens instead of joining into the club/organization aspects of any of the main covens
and some small covens might only allow witches with certain sigils in. like maybe the tiny cat coven only allows witches with beastkeeping (or emperor's coven, maybe) sigils in. maybe there's an engineering coven that only allows construction, abomination, and oracle witches to join, or a nature coven that only accepts plants and beastkeeping, or a theater coven that only accepts illusionists and bards. others like the baking coven might allow anyone in but might be legally barred from accepting sigilless witches.
i almost wonder if covens like this existed BEFORE belos's coven system. because allowing groups other than his main nine to start calling themselves covens and acting like they're on par with the main ones sounds like something belos wouldn't allow unless they had ALREADY been calling themselves covens for a long time before his system. cuz it'd be easier to look at a pre-existing minor coven say "okay but you ALSO have to get branded into one of these covens" than "hey, you have to quit this group that you've been in for years with your closest friends and join this other group INSTEAD"
like, it seems like special little clubs with like-minded individuals with similar skillsets would form on their own, without someone like belos forcing their creation. i can see something like that existing in the "savage ages" because there there's been clubs and secret societies and guilds and unions for a long long time in real life
maybe belos even stole the idea of calling his main groups "covens" from those pre-existing covens. and maybe potions/illusion/healing/etc. covens already existed back then but were on the same level as all the other covens, instead of there being a hierarchy of major vs minor covens. it'd make it easier for people to accept his ideas of they just seemed like an extension of pre-existing concepts
ooor maybe they're all just subsidiaries of one of the main nine covens and will only accept witches from that one coven (baking would maybe be potions, then? and cat covens would be beastkeeping, writing would be bard, fashion would be illusions, etc.). who knows.
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Now, I have no way of proving this, but...
Given that Lilith Clawthorne and Darius Deamonne were:
A- Schoolmates (and likely friends, given that between Eda and Raine their social circles probably overlapped) ,
B- Coven Heads at the same time,
and C- The only two Coven Heads of a similar age at the time they worked together,
I like to think they were pretty good friends during their years as colleagues.
BECAUSE IMAGINE THEM.
Mean girl duo Darius and Lilith knowing all the gossip. Between the two of them, you can bet any affair, breakup, or scandal is no longer a secret.
Workaholic Lilith refusing to take a break, even to sleep, and her annoyed BSF Darius showing up to force her to actually rest.
Fashion icon Darius coming over to help Lilith get ready for any major event. Hair, makeup, nails and all. He even sometimes helps her pick an outfit.
Darius lounging on the floor at the end of Lilith’s bed, complaining about his latest man while his aro/ace BSF strokes his hair sympathetically and thanks the Titan she doesn’t have to deal with this.
Lilith and Darius casually having completely wordless conversations during a Coven Heads meeting and the other head witches nervously wondering what they’re missing.
Darius and Lilith constantly having to deflect rumors that they’re dating, to the point where even Eda questions if they’re an item.
Eberwolf having to hold back Darius as they throw Lilith into the cage during Eda’s petrification ceremony- NOPE. Bad OP. *smacks with rolled up newspaper* No throwing angst into a wholesome post.
Anyway, just…them.
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We all assign Lilith as the Philip parallel when analyzing the similarities between the clawthorne sisters and the wittebane brothers. But have we stopped to consider for a moment that Belos saw Lilith as the Caleb in her situation? An older sibling who makes a selfish decision (in Philip's eyes) and betrays their younger sibling, leaving them a monster outcast from society??
We as the audience know just how different those situations were, but from Belos' pov...
I'm not saying Lilith was seen as so disposable and worthless by Belos, not just bc she was a witch, but because she was a Clawthorne whom Belos saw as a mirror of Caleb...but that's exactly what I'm saying and I'm realizing that Belos must've hated Lilith's guts more than we thought
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the thing is that owl house is not structured great for drawing in cynical adult viewers but it is structured very well to teach kids to question authority and how things are presented to them at first glance and I kind of love that tee hee
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Bound by Interlocks AU
Let me explain the AU;
Eberwolf, the esteemed leader of the Beast Keeping coven, carries a clandestine secret hidden beneath their gloves. They conceal Interlocks, revealing their true identity as a Palisman whose owner is none other than Evelyn Clawthorne—an ancestor to Eda and Lilith. Tragedy struck when Evelyn and Eberwolf were forcibly separated during a fierce encounter with the Emperor's Coven's scouts.
Seeking solace within the depths of the ancient woods, Eberwolf's path crossed with that of the former Golden Guard—a figure also known as Darius's mentor. Recognizing the significance of Eberwolf's hidden nature, the former Golden Guard offered them shelter within the ranks of the Emperor's Coven. It remained a guarded secret, known only to Darius's mentor, that Eberwolf was, in fact, a Palisman.
I will explain this in a story featured on; Archive of our own!!
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New TOH Fic
After Belos is defeated, the Boiling Isles doesn't have a government. Darius organizes an attempt to fix that issue. But there are a lot of problems facing the Boiling Isles in this brave new world. And not everyone is happy with the new order...
Featuring Politics! Reconstruction! Raine Whispers' Patented Bad Acronyms! The Moral Complexities of Rebuilding in the Aftermath of a Dictatorship! Fiscal Policy!
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(Translated post of person who don't wanna me to give her credits)
!TW! : opinion
"One of the main problems in TOH is the lack of ideological confrontation between the protogonist and the antagonist.
And you will say "it's not true, the heroes are for free magic, the villain is against!🥺" And yes, that's obviously true, but actually..
Let's think about it more deel. What do we have to start with? A coven system where one witch can use only one kind of magic. And what do we have in contrast? Eda, who doesn't obey the system and refuse to be in it, she can use all kinds of magic. And that's the problem - first of all, Eda doesn't even care about the system, she doesn’t even try to change it, more tham that, the Coven system itself doesn't realy bother her, she barely has any problems bc of that (most of her problems were bc of the curse). And secondly, Eda just doesn't use all these kinds of magic, the Coven system doesn't defining her life, Eda still running away from it not bc this system bothers her, it's mostly out of principle and just to spite her sister. The show just didn't show us why the Coven system is bad, the only thing we have is "it reduces freedom", but who even cares? I mean all laws are reduce freedom at some point, but it doesn't make them unnecessary or even bad. The Coven system doesn't affect on withes badly and we saw it multipe times. Yes, Dana never showed us that wild magic was bad either, since for some reason wild withes "were good all this time", even in the middle ages (but the problem is that we know that they litteraly exterminated all Vee's race, but we don't talking about this tho).
So yes, also we haven't seen the significant advantages of using all kinds of magic over one. Eda defeated Lilith not because she had the ability to use all kinds of magic (they both had tho), but just because she was more talented.
All Hexsquad members have their clear magical specialization, and at the same time they don't suffer from it at all, they are, the other way around, very strong magicians that beat coven soldiers who litteraly can use all kinds of magic without any problem. And Eda and Raine also almost defeat the coven leaders not bc they used many kinds of magic, but bc of the curse.
None of Belos' ex subordinate left him bc they were disappointed in the system or realized that it's wrong: Lilith did it because he lied to her about healing his sister, Hunter did it because Belos was planning to kill him. Others did it bc they find out Belos wants to destroy their world. Do you see any ideological confrontation with coven system here? Me neither.
There weren't shown any reasons why such successful magicians as Rain, Darius and Emberwulf suddenly decided to oppose the Belos system (and no, we don't talking about genocide).
The only time Dana tried to show the advantage of using all kinds of magic over one is the episode when Luz went to school. And honestly it was as ridiculous and implausible as possible.
In conclusion, the only answer on "Why is using of all kinds of magic is better than using of one" we get is basicly "Because Belos is a bad person".
Bravo!"
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