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I think Norman considered going to the human world and thoroughly studied the problems there, or at least wanted to keep it as a backup plan. So when he called Emma out and doubted their acceptance in human world, it wasn't a blind fear, he knew how dealing with the humans can be more difficult than killing the demons. But I think he didn't expect to receive help from the Ratris, he doubted his own survival and, of course, he wasn't updated due to the lack of recent books.
I think saying "Norman was wrong for choosing demon genocide" undermines the weight of this decision. It's not like he was doing it because he wanted to play villain. It was simply the only choice he was left with.
Anon are you... Calling me out for something I've said or, I really can't tell 😂😂
Overall, I widely agree. I joke on genocidal Norman a lot, but I do deeply believe Norman wouldn't have gone for the eradication of demons if he thought there was another way- or better, if he allowed himself to believe there was another way. I think a lot of people tend to forget the factor that Norman thought he had a very little time left to live (less than a year), and was willing to do anything during the time he has left to make sure his family was going to be safe; according to the 5th chapter of the fanbook:
Shirai notes that Norman had a short lifespan and couldn't build the world Emma desired without killing the demons. Norman wanted to ensure a safe world for Emma and everyone. Shirai thinks Norman might've chosen a slightly different method if he wasn't running out of time.
(Thank you so much @1000sunnygo for the translation!!!!!!)
At the end of the day, I truly believe Norman is a genuinely good person at heart; the narrative displays pretty neatly how the act of causing the death of demons was killing him inside, and I do think he would have gone for another way if only he believed he had alternatives. You see, I think a lot of criticism towards Norman in the paradise hideout / royal capital arcs is for his will to kill demons, but maybe that's not totally fair: in the end, he never wanted to do it- he just thought he had no choice.
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And I mean, that's the part I think people should focus on? That's Norman's real flaw: closing himself into believing there's no other choice. It's such a big piece of Norman's character!! “I've exactly calculated all the alternatives, and there's no other way”. It's exactly what got him shipped in the first arc, and Shirai made it a point to make the reader understand Norman hasn't changed since then.
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Norman's approach is *so* different from Emma's, maybe it's one of the things that tells them apart the most. Where Norman thinks there's no other possible way, Emma builds a new way. Which leads us to Norman's other - and probably biggest - flaw: his inability to ask for help. His whole eradication plan was conceived that way because Norman never thought anyone, besides from him and his fellow Lambda death-sentenced, could have a part in it; let alone his most precious friends Emma and Ray. He wouldn't take Emma and Ray's help into finding an alternative solution to eradication. He wouldn't admit he was in chronic pain and on death row, because he was never willing to cry for help. One of the few firm points through tpn development was having Norman asking for help, because that's such big part of his character!!
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And I'm so happy he got to!! I'm so happy he got to grow and learn he doesn't have to carry it all alone, and I think we shouldn't forget about that :)
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yuseirra · 4 years
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tpn ch 153
I want to walk alongside you.
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amaikana · 4 years
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A Look in the Day of a Sick Norman (TPN fanfic)
-.-.- Rating: K Pairing: Implied noremma, but mainly ot3 friendship Wordcount: 1k+ Summary: In a world parallel from the one we all know, there's no demon and the such. But in this world, Norman got himself sick from exhaustion again, and his two best-friends are thankfully there to scold him. A/N: It’s parallel to canon events but there isn’t really any spoilers. Inspired by how Emma was scolding Norman in ch. 153, lol. -.-.- Cross-posted on AO3 -.-.-
The last thing Norman remembers is the scorching heat and the sun blinding brightness. But he opens his eyes to a bright neon lamp and a mop of dark hair. His body feels somehow heavy and really, really tired. He blinks a few times, adjusting to the light.
“…Ray?”
Ray glances from his crossed legs position on the bedside. An open note book in his lap. He looks like he’s writing down something.
“Ah, you’re finally awake,” Ray comments simply, then back at his writing for a bit, before closing the book and fetching a glass of water that someone has put on the study desk. Probably Ray himself.
Norman sits up groggily, taking the offered glass.
“You passed out in the track field at P.E.,” Ray explains. He’s then back at the writings again after handing out the glass
Norman tries to peek over curiously. “What are you doing?”
“Writing down the notes from today’s class.” Ray pauses, biting his pen and mumbles something about Pythagoras’ Theorem before continuing again.
Norman frowns. “But you never write notes.”
“Yeah, because my anomaly memory ability fortunately can do wonders.” Ray shrugged shamelessly. “But you usually write it. And event though you don’t need it, that idiot definitely does.”
“That idiot– you mean Emma?” Norman’s eyes widen slightly, only realizing just now that there’s a very familiar voice humming from somewhere in the house.
“Wha– Did she got sick too?” he asks worriedly.
Ray stares at him flatly. “No, dumbass. She got worried after you passed out and demanded to all the teachers to be the one who’s bringing you back home.”
Norman feels a pang at that. Regrets wash over him as he realizes that he has caused Emma to worry so mu—
“Don’t you dare feeling sorry only to her! I’m the one you puked on to on the field, and had to carry your stupid ass to the infirmary!” Ray grumbles, slapping his head lightly with note book he’s writing on.
Norman grimace. “…Sorry?”
Ray doesn’t reply.
“Can me buying you a new video game counted as an apology?”
“…Only if it’s the latest of that series I collect.”
Norman blinks. “Eh?” He actually expected Ray to grumble a bit more before agreeing along with his joke.
“I mean, don’t get me wrong. I’m still really pissed at you landing your stupid ass sick again. But you’ll get worse from Emma anyway, so I’ll just let her scream her heart content first.”
Precisely at that, the door to his room creaks open. Emma comes in carrying a bowl of……something.
She gasps. “Norman! You’re awake!”
He winces, accepting her hug. She seems to magically forget that she was carrying a bowl in her hands earlier. Thankfully Ray has fast reflexes, otherwise they all would be drenched on the suspicious-looking soup.
Norman smiles a little at Emma. “I’m sorry for making you really wor—”
“THAT’S RIGHT! YOU SHOULD BE REALLY SORRY!”
He winces again from the shouting. Oh, God. She’s really pissed off now.
“How DARE you! I know this time it’s not just because of your naturally weak immune! It’s exhaustion, isn’t it? I didn’t realize it at first, but then everyone’s saying the same thing: you’ve been helping them! You’ve been going around helping everyone! From Jemima’s handcraft project, to Nat and Anna’s science papers, to Thoma and Lani’s upcoming math test, and to- to- …even helping me with my chemistry project and reviewing the latest physics chapters this week…” Emma trails off sadly.
“Emma…” He clasps his hand over Emma’s palm, trying to placate her. “You know I didn’t mind—”
“Oh, I know you didn’t mind it even a bit. I know that!” She slaps his hand off. “And frankly, Norman, that’s the exact problem here! You always want to help everyone! But you can’t! you’re not super-human, you’re only human!”
Norman widens eyes at her words.
“Please, Norman… You can’t just say ‘yes’ to anyone or anything… You should rely on everyone else a bit more! Like, you can get Gilda or Don to help with Jemima’s craft project, and even I could help if it’s only Thoma and Lani’s sixth grader level math!”
“And don’t forget that you’re not the only one who graduated with honors in middle school,” Ray pipes up from behind. Norman can feel Ray scowling at him even without really looking back.
“See?” Emma takes his hand in her own palms this time, clutching it close to her heart. “You don’t have to be the only one who helps everyone. We can help each other out. That’s what a family do, right?” She’s looking deep into his eyes, her own eyes pleading.
“I’m sorry,” he finally caves in, smiling a little at her. “You’re right, I’m sorry.”
Emma beams up at his words. “Now that’s settled, let’s get you something to eat to make you feel better faster!”
She brings back the bowl that Ray placed on the desk earlier. A questionably edible soup-looking liquid swimming in it.
“Um… Emma… What exactly did you put on the…uh, soup?”
Emma blinks. “The usual healthy stuffs, of course. Like, carrots, broccoli, peas, garlic, spinach, tomatoes– and, oh! Lots of the spinach and tomatoes part, because I read that they’re good for stamina and increasing blood pleasure!” she explains cheerfully.
Norman gulps. He glances at Ray for help.
Ray barely even makes an effort to hide his snickers as he fakes a cough. “Ahem. Anyway, I just realized that I promised to help Oliver with…something-science project this afternoon. Bye! Get well soon, Norman!”
With that, Ray hurries out and slams the door.
‘You TRAITOR!’
“Now, Norman, say ‘aaah’!”
Norman gulps, eyeing the very-not-appetizing weird color of the soup and tries his best not to grimace.
‘Emma tries her best. Emma tries her best. Emma tries her best.’
His pseudo-mantra chanting only does little wonder.
“A–aah—”
Needless to say, he never dares to get sick again in the presence of Emma since that day.
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bloomingednae · 4 years
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Who has read the most recent manga chapter of TPN?
because I'm still suffering even days later
ch 153 was by far the most emotional chapter from the whole series
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Here is something fun to think about, fullscore trio confession headcannons?
Pffft fun ask here we go!!
I already mentioned it, but I believe canon and modern au would take different routes: in canon I can imagine the proposal sequence to go like Emma + Ray → Norman, while in modern au it seems more likely to be Emma + Norman → Ray. I'm not 100% sure tho... Because they're still very young in canon (I'm talking about 2047), and it looks pretty early to me to enstablish a relationship... But they always act so adult and mature so it doesn't seem too far from reality? I don't know. The shipping discourse in tpn is complicate and I don't have enough energies for it right now.
I didn't really know how to organize this, so pardon the messy form,,, It's mostly ideas I'm just throwing there. Enjoy! Under the cut because it got l o n g
You see, Emma and Ray arrive to the Paradise Hideout already being pretty much together y'know? They keep acting as partners and they're all extremely affectionate towards each other, but they don't really discuss about it with Norman- hell, their closest friend they had spent one year and eleven months considering dead just turned out to be alive, there's so much to discuss and to catch up with!!! So at first they don't really think about mentioning their relationship to him: for Emma and Ray, it's like having suddenly returned to the happy times of their childhood. Yet, Norman definitely notices they're closer than they where at GF. He is happy for them- he really, genuinely is! They're his best friends, his greatest source of joy, the reason he goes on; he's obviously, sincerely glad they're happy together. But still, deep inside he does feel a little distressed? He's been alone for so long, he didn't want to be cut out of the special bond that used to link the three of them. He obviously already knew things would have never come back to be like they were at GF, yet he couldn't keep himself from mourning how their relationship had been irreparably changed. However, he pushes these feelings aside, not even allowing the thought to take shape in his mind: Emma and Ray are happy, and that's all that matters. That's everything he's been fighting for untill that day, and that's the reason he keeps fighting every day- to give them a bright future where they can be safe and happy. But his unexpressed anxieties are hard to suppress: he fears that things will not be like they where before, that something was lost forever; he fears he is now going to be sidelined in their relationship. He has been crushing on them since he could remember, so it's quite obvious deep down it was a bit upsetting for him to come up with the realization the three of them wouldn't have been together- even though he would have rather died than admit it to himself, or allow it to show. So I like to imagine we are at the end of chapter 121, when the trio is spending some time just the three of them, chatting and playing and forgetting about everything scary or painful. Emma talks and talks, trying catching up Norman on everything: it's almost like she's trying to make the time they've spent apart disappear, rewriting the narrative to make Norman fit in their (terrifying) adventures. She would have probably been overwhelming to any other, but not to Norman, who looked like he was having the best time of his life, never getting his glimmering, adoring eyes off her. Then at some point Emma goes:
Emma: Mmmhh what else... Oh, apparently me and Ray are together now? Dunnot at some point Gillian and the others said that judging from how we acted we where totally together-
Norman: W h a t.
Emma: Ahah I know, crazy right? Obviously you're in as well lol
Norman: W H A T ?
Emma didn't have the time to talk about it with Ray beforehand, but it was ok: for Norman to be included in their relationship felt like such a natural consequence to Norman being alive that they hadn't felt the need to discussing about it at all. Besides, at this point of the story, Emma and Ray are so much on the same page that they don't even need to talk about something to know what each other is thinking.
And you know how Norman is. He was too taken by overthinking everything and reconsidering his life choices, too distracted by his self loathing to even consider Emma and Ray would have asked him to take part of their relationship, no matter how obvious it sounds.
Ok now, I didn't plan this beforehand but PLOT TWIST Norman doesn't accept
He's like "No... I... *Dramatic pause* I can't."
Emma and Ray are sincerely surprised. Emma exclaims: "Why???"
Norman panicks and says: "There's... Another person". There is, in fact, no other person, and he's just making up excuses.
Emma and Ray don't believe him for one second but go along with it basically just to mess up with him
Ray, mockingly: Yeah of course... Wait don't tell me, the mysterious girl with the coral dress is back? [Reference to the first novel]
Norman, flustered: I'M SERIOUS GUYS
The true reason why Norman didn't feel like accepting their proposal is because he's self sacrificing and stuff, and because he believes he's going to die in a year anyway so he doesn't want to make them suffer.
In his head he's probably thinking "I'm sorry Emma... Ray... But I'm taking a path you can not follow... You don't know the horrible things I've done... You deserve better than me..." (Yeah he's just THAT dramatic).
(Ok tho I later realized that this is literally canon:)
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Ray, in the meantime, knowing exactly what he's thinking because he just knows him that well (and can relate to his self-sacrificial nature), is like *rolls his eyes*
Ray, telepathically, to Norman: You know you can't escape Emma's love, right?
Honestly the thought of the trio being romantically involved is so funny to me because then the whole conflict for Norman's genocidal tendencies would be like:
Emma, talking to Ray: Ray I love our boyfriend BUT IS HE DUMB, ALWAYS TRYING TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF AAAAAAAAAAHHH SERIOUSLY WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?????
Ray, remembering the times he used to be as sacrificial: *sweats*
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I don't have much to add because the rest of canon pretty much does it without me having to change anything ahah. Norman tries to execute his genocide plan, stuff goes wrong, and Emma and Ray manage to talk to him before it's too late. I don't think much of any at all of their conversation from chapter 153 would change.
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When this happens, Norman knows they intend both literally and romantically, and, as soon as he accepts, Emma and Ray understand he finally resigned to his feeling and accepted to stay with them forever. That's very sweet actually, this scene makes me soft 🤧🤧🤧 Still one of the best tpn moments ever!!!!
I'm reading the initial ask again and honesty... I'm not sure that's what Anon ment with their ask but I kinda got carried away /////////////
This got long enough and I don't want to make Anon wait any longer so I'm not going to write here how I think the modern au confession would go; however feel free to ask if you're interested in it and I'll try to summarize it! But I have just a vague idea of what it would happen so it would probably be shorter than this :)
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Emma, Norman and Ray - Chapter 153: Coward
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The Promised Neverland manga ending countdown → 7/7 chapters: chapter 153 - Coward
“ It's ok if you're weak. If that's the real you. We can waver, struggle and laugh together. Let's live together, Norman! This time, for sure!  ” 
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Can we consider: Ray and Norman finishing each other sentences.
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Norman - Chapters 145 // 146 // 152 // 153
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May I bring your attention to
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Thank you.
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Emma being 49136% done with Norman's idiocy appreciation post
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Look I love Gilda and Don and Musica with everything I've got but if the next chapter is just them with another cliffhanger and no trio confrontation I'm going to flip all the tables
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yuseirra · 4 years
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I HEARD THERE WILL BE A TPM LIVE ACTION AND OMG
mmhmm!/// I believe I’ve heard about the news last year (I think the live action itself was announced around ch 153′s release)but the STILL CUTS.. have been released today? right? :) and idk about anyone else but isabella and the little kids look pretty neat!! sister krone and everyone else has japanese actors but that was kind of a given considering it’d be a japanese movie. It looks pretty nice so far in my opinion! I saw it through demizu posuka san’s twitter. They seemed excited about it and I’m happy for them, who wouldn’t be if what they’ve been working on’s being adapted into more forms? I’m sure shirai-san would be eager to watch it too and for them and fans of this series, I hope it turns out well! ‘v’)9
On a side note, I know how terrible anime -> hollywood movies turned out in the past but I think tpn would work pretty well if there were to be a proper adaptation because the cast would be pretty diverse, (and emma and norman seriously, they’re pretty much westerners, ray looks kind of asian but those two are definitely not.. I bet they have actors that look a lot like them in western countries!! and characters like sister krone? Jemima? phil? anna and don and.. actually? not a lot of characters look so asian in this series?) and it doesn’t need that much special effect except for the demons. Well, I wonder how the movie will turn out! I’d see the trailers if I could but I’m not sure if I’ll end up ever getting to watch the full XD// it’s really interesting!!
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yuseirra · 4 years
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tpn ch 153!
Ray and Emma after the episode. I wanted to draw more Ray.. he’s a really good friend and I hope he gets some spotlight in the remaining eps
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