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Thank you so much Davis, Matt and Flora for the amazing story, it’s been so fun watching Eclipse, Foxy, FC, Andrew and Puppet grow as characters. It’s been amazing to meet so many new fun characters, having evil villains who are intimidating and yet so full of life has been so intriguing to watch. Charlie and Henry’s relationship has always been cute and I’m glad it still is. I’m excited and bittersweet to see how it will end but I’m confident it will be a good end to the show.
I am sad that this means we’ll see less of Eclipse and his new family but it was a lot of fun with many great adventures. Eaps story for me felt the most planned and well thought out and I’m definitely going to miss it <3
#eaps#eclipse and puppet show#eaps eclipse#eaps I’m gonna miss it so much#but all good things much come to an end#that’s what makes them good#ngl I’m definitely gonna miss seeing Eclipse so much he’s my favourite 😭🥰#thank you so much for all the work you’ve done VA’s
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I like Roxanne’s new look, I think it suits her a lot better and on the off chance she does get stopped she’ll blend in more.
I’m not sure if I like leg and arm warmers yet but I don’t dislike them maybe that will grow on me.
Also love the reveal that Eclipse is at bullet hells. XD Him beating the game reminded me of playing mario growing up and getting my sister to beat the harder levels for me because I couldn’t do them.
Love Roxanne, Monty and Ballora’s friendship it’s always fun to see.
Eclipse and Roxanne’s little:
It looks good.
Really?
Yeah.
Was so very sweet. Also I like that we’re seeing the insecurity that comes with Roxanne. We don’t get to see too much of Roxanne’s personality aside from helps with the kids, misses her old pizzeria and life (we don’t know too much about that tho) and her sass. So I’m glad we get to see more of her.
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This is a really nice way of putting it. I definitely think the fandom has been a little dramatic when it come to the possibility of Eclipse and Roxanne being cannon. I mean we haven’t even full learnt about Roxanne and her feels. You know the other person in the relationship. It’s a little early to judge in my opinion.
Personally, I don’t like the ship but I’m willing to let it cook for a bit to see where it goes. I would definitely further platonic relationship. As well as a longer development specifically for the romance side of the relationship if it is going to be canon especially since both characters would find a romantic relationship a big deal. Eclipse having the emotional intellect of a door and Roxanna having lost her Chica I would like to explore that dynamic in a romantic but not in relationship way (if that makes sense) but I’m not overly bothered by it. 
Although I don’t think it’s bad if people who don’t like the ship leave, why watch content you don’t like? I do thinks it’s nasty to try to weaponise that to control someone else’s narrative.
I'm seeing like A LOT of conflict with the Roxy x Eclipse thing and I understand where some of the people who say "it's not like eclipse to do that" or showing your views on how you guys saw them BUT just hear me out when I try to explain something!!!
Seeing this as someone who has shipped them makes me pretty happy to see tbh but I'm gonna talk from a (hopefully mostly unbiased standpoint)
To the people who say "it's not like eclipse" or "eclipse wouldn't do something like that" PLEASE do not take this as me being rude, but at the end of the day they're not your characters they're the VA's characters you don't really know what the characters are FULLY like the only people who know that are the VA's who created them. It's kinda similar to if I were to make some OC's and post some animations of them and try to add something new in and someone says that my character wouldn't do or say that? I don't really know how much of a better way to put it
I see some people are mainly just upset about it (possibly) being cannon due to how they have wanted Eclipse and Roxy to just be co-parents or being queer platonic. Others see Roxy being a big sister to the kids or they see eclipse and Roxy as being siblings or the cool aunt to the kids. I respect your views and see them as you please but don't get mad at others or the VA's because you don't like the direction the show is going in, because at the end of the day they're trying to appeal to the audience they see the most of since it's still their jobs and they make money off these things. That's why TSAMS stopped doing gaming videos as often as they did and why TLAES got a reboot. Now, back to the views on the characters, there is a reason AUs exist if you really enjoy your views on fandoms but it doesn't become canon, make an AU! Yes, it won't be as satisfying as seeing it canon but still it's better than nothing.
If you refuse to watch the show if the ship becomes canon, that's your choice and nobody can or should do anything about it because you're your own person and should feel free to do as you please. But please don't act like the creators just saying "Screw you, if you don't like it you're just haters" and that all the fans want the same thing since I highly doubt that what they think
Anyways Darling out and feel free to talk about your opinions in the comments and I would gladly reply!
(I might take a bit to reply due to my horrid time management and or being on this app super doer often!!!)
#eaps eclipse#eclipse and puppet show#I think people need to step back a bit this is getting a bit much#like being passionate is a okay but there is a limit!
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Aww I love that Eclipse like to star gaze
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I felt that the Nexus storyline (at the time) was a little forced but now it feels like a miraculous Chloe and victorious Tori situation with Nexus. Like I’m so confused as someone going to gaming narrative design you can’t build a 2 dimensional Villian off of a 3 dimensional foundation. Not to mention I get the Va’s are burnt out especially with the fans I just don’t like the idea of Reed talking through Moon as a way to jab at us fans. Also I think people are taking Davis’ Mary Sue comment weirdly. He was being satire and making fun of the fans that act as if Sun is a golden goodie, a baby that can’t and never has do anything wrong. But especially in the moment right after Moon’s comment it came off wrong.
I also wanna talk about how Nexus was treated differently by the plot. They used a lot of the stereotypes they normally treat well with other characters. However this time they used those harmful stereotypes to make Nexus ‘crazy’ from hallucinations to delusions, threats of ‘self sacrifice’ and even substance abuse. It feel very… mean. Idk how to properly verbalise it. I thought it was just some tone blindness especially with how we as a fandom can tell the Va’s are struggling especially with whatever is going on with black sore. With the doubling down and the complete rejection to hear people out it doesn’t feel good. It’s feels like we’re just supposed to shut up and take it because it’s Nexus. Or because it’s a VR show. Well a VR show has an effect too it hurts too.
It feels like the story is no longer a story and just a view chaser, the only reason the brought Nexus back was for the views because people watch him. But they (the Va’s) seem to have a misunderstanding as to why?
I like Nexus because he’s a good example of someone with real delusion. Honestly it’s so good I thought this was what they where going for now all I can do is hope it was a coincidence. I know people like villains because they are evil. The line between fiction and reality is a safety net for people to enjoy and consume usually disturbing or unruly behaviour. This line is what makes concepts like an alien invasion fun to watch. It’s fun because it’s not real. A real invasion would be horrifying.
Delusion is formed from reality denial triggered by some sort of grief. In Nexus’s case this was Solars death. This lead to paranoia, hiding away feels and closing yourself off, self isolation which feeds into the delusion. Then getting rejected by family or friends because they can’t help you. Next a final push (Sun locking him up and Monty shocking him for Nexus) the makes fiction and narrative twisting better then reality. Then someone takes advantage of them reassures them they’re in the right, purposely pushing them further int he delusion (Dark Sun when he gets Nexus in space). Then they get them hooked and supply or provide the equipment for some sort of addiction, or something they really want and they use it to control them. Even if not directly they use it to create a power dynamic where if the delusional person does try to leave then they’re resources are cut off (Dark Sun provided Nexus housing, intrigue through the witherstorm, a equipment and repairs for his dark star power. Even if Dark Sun said it’ll kill you his action and the things he provided said otherwise).
This happens irl. To real people so to see this then get collimated into haha Nexus is a cringe insane maniac feels wrong. It feels bad. This feels like it hurts. I know someone who’s known a Nexus. They who didn’t get help. They were shunned. They’re not here anymore. This stereotype hurts.
I also feel like that fact I’m genuinely nervous to post this should mean something.
The fact that even despite how revolting this fandom can be I’m not scared of the haters I’m worry nothing will change or there’s too much overly harsh hate being through at the VA’s that they will just chalk throw up to another Solar dying situation.
I feel my confidence in the shows wavering like what if you don’t like another character you’ve written or what if you get bored of them will they get the Nexus treatment? Will all storylines go dead like the astral one due to view count. Like idk. I know view count is important this is literally their jobs but like that’s what ruins a story… I would love to sit hear and be a back seater and pretend like I have answers but I don’t. I don’t know what to do. That’s why I’m nervous.
#tsams#eaps#sun and moon show#eclipse and puppet show#laes#the lunar and earth show#I know this podcast was supposed to be satire and there are plenty more issue I could talk about but I’m worried that too many people are#being nothing but negative how are the VA’s support tell criticism from hate if that’s all they get
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Holy shit sign it everyone this effects far more then just the US this hotline is used all over the world I know people who have used this hot line. Fuck trump and fuck any jackass that supports him. This bitchass man is going after a fucking suicide hotline now.

Do not think for a moment that this admin is only going after trans folks. They are ultimately going after the whole LGBTQ community. They start small, like getting rid of a hotline option, then go BIG.
#lgbtq rights#us politics#us politics are effecting everyone all over the world#trumps a piece of shit but we long since knew that#even if you don’t understand or support the lgbtq+ community this hotline saves lives
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The reason your not seeing it is because it's not really on tumbler but it is on twitter and tik tok
maybe im just normal and have normal friends but i did not see ragagtha getting villanized by ppl like what what did she even do? crash out? you mean calling jax out AFTER pomni literally told her to let out her negative emotions and being reasonably upset then immediately apologising hello???? i was so confused by ppl online saying she was getting hate cause all she did was tell jax to stop being a dick im sorry???
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Your both amazing people and deserve the best I’m so sorry these trolls are being so pathetic
Hey, just a heads up: there’s some straight-up nonsense being spread about Davis and me online. None of it is true. It’s a mix of trolls, fake accounts, and people trying to stir up drama for attention.
If you do come across any of those rumors, please don’t just take them at face value. Ask for proof. So far, we haven’t seen a single claim with any actual truth to it. It’s all just drama for the sake of drama.
We’re okay. We’ve documented everything and spoken to a legal team, not because we’re afraid or have anything to hide, but because it’s smart to be prepared and to understand our options. We could take it further if it keeps escalating, but honestly, we’d rather focus our time and energy on the things that actually matter.
Right now, that’s our content, our wedding, and our community.
If you see anything weird, feel free to ignore it or report it. Your support means the world to us.
We’re choosing peace over arguing with literal children on the internet and we hope you’ll continue supporting us. We love and appreciate all of you.
#queen kat#queen kat productions#lunar and earth show#laes#the sun and moon show#tsams#some people need to grow up or get off the internet since they clearly can’t handle it
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Some people need to get a life my lord
Baseless Rumors
Just so everyone’s aware: there’s some bullshit being spread about Kat and me online, again. None of it is true. It’s a mix of trolls, fake accounts, and people trying to stir up drama for attention. And we’re not interested in playing along.
If you come across these rumors, please don’t just take them at face value. Ask for proof. So far, we haven’t seen a single claim with any actual validity. It’s just drama for drama’s sake.
We’ve documented everything and spoken to legal professionals. Not because we’re afraid, but because it’s smart to be prepared and understand our options. We could take it further if it keeps escalating, but honestly, we’d rather not waste time on people who clearly have nothing better to do.
If you don’t like me, that’s fine. Block me, move on, and stop interacting with my content. Making up disgusting lies and rumors doesn’t prove anything. It just shows your flawed character.
We’re focused on our actual lives: our content, our wedding, and our community. Not people hiding behind fake accounts.
If you see anything, report it and move on.
#the sun and moon show#sams#eaps#eclipse and puppet show#I hope you and Kat are okay Davis this is bullshit you both deserve so much better
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Ya’ll hear me out what if instead of killing the mimic they reset him so we can get a David
(He was so cute in Secrets of the Mimic I just I need more of him omg) 🥹😭😭❤️❤️
#eaps#eclipse and puppet show#eaps mimic#I also think it would be a good way to continue the mercy encouragement from Charlie to Eclipse#like imagine the character growth from Eclipse#instead of killing his worse enemy that tortured him like he did with Sun and Moon.e instead#he instead gives the mimic a second chance this time without the violence
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I know right lol 😂
A couple of unrelated thoughts that refuse to get out of my brain:
1) The situation with Solar having a hit placed on him
In listening to what Moon said about it earlier, it has something to do with Solar being the only part of his dimension that's still alive, and somehow, SOME WAY, his dimensional code factors into that. How is that the case, though?
When Eclipse was setting up everything to bring Solar back, he switched Solar's dimensional code out for the dimensional code of V2, that way Solar's code would sort of,,, line up with the dimension (for lack of better phrasing), and the universe, in a way, would be like "Oh yeah, this guy, he belongs here, everything's fine, there's nothing to worry about"
Solar's new dimensional code SHOULD make it so that he meshes with everything from the OG dimension, and it SHOULD help make it seem like (code-wise) he belongs there
How would whoever tf put a bounty on his head know how to track his dimensional code and tell it apart from the code of everything else that came from the home dimension?? That'd be like having a cardboard box filled with hundreds of identical paper clips, and being told to find the one that's ever so slightly different than the others. But surprise surprise, they're all the same. There isn't one that's unique at all
I'm sure there's a better example I could give than that, but that's the best I can come up with right now
2) Who KS's Moon apparently "took" from him (or hurt. I forget what the exact phrasing was)
I saw someone discussing this somewhere. Could've been here on tumblr. Could've been a post on youtube. I don't remember where. The main thing I remember was the person being like "I stg it better not be Monty 🙄 that'd be SO boring"
But like. Consider for half a second: most Suns seem to start off with having a crush on Roxanne (or whoever is in her place in the band, like we saw on TEAPS when it was Foxy)
KS is incredibly fruity. That's not a secret. He's as straight as a wet spaghetti noodle. So,,, what if the person his Moon took away/hurt/killed/whatever,,, wasn't Monty, and instead it was actually Roxas?
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Eclipse and Solar talk about it,the episode is on the Eclipse and Puppet show and it’s called Eclipse MEETS SOLAR in VRchat around the 5:55 - 7:05
He says I gave you that ones code and he’s referring to the Eclipse that died in Solar’s dimension.
He clarifies  at 7:05 “That Eclipse that died at your dimension I gave you that’s one’s code”
A couple of unrelated thoughts that refuse to get out of my brain:
1) The situation with Solar having a hit placed on him
In listening to what Moon said about it earlier, it has something to do with Solar being the only part of his dimension that's still alive, and somehow, SOME WAY, his dimensional code factors into that. How is that the case, though?
When Eclipse was setting up everything to bring Solar back, he switched Solar's dimensional code out for the dimensional code of V2, that way Solar's code would sort of,,, line up with the dimension (for lack of better phrasing), and the universe, in a way, would be like "Oh yeah, this guy, he belongs here, everything's fine, there's nothing to worry about"
Solar's new dimensional code SHOULD make it so that he meshes with everything from the OG dimension, and it SHOULD help make it seem like (code-wise) he belongs there
How would whoever tf put a bounty on his head know how to track his dimensional code and tell it apart from the code of everything else that came from the home dimension?? That'd be like having a cardboard box filled with hundreds of identical paper clips, and being told to find the one that's ever so slightly different than the others. But surprise surprise, they're all the same. There isn't one that's unique at all
I'm sure there's a better example I could give than that, but that's the best I can come up with right now
2) Who KS's Moon apparently "took" from him (or hurt. I forget what the exact phrasing was)
I saw someone discussing this somewhere. Could've been here on tumblr. Could've been a post on youtube. I don't remember where. The main thing I remember was the person being like "I stg it better not be Monty 🙄 that'd be SO boring"
But like. Consider for half a second: most Suns seem to start off with having a crush on Roxanne (or whoever is in her place in the band, like we saw on TEAPS when it was Foxy)
KS is incredibly fruity. That's not a secret. He's as straight as a wet spaghetti noodle. So,,, what if the person his Moon took away/hurt/killed/whatever,,, wasn't Monty, and instead it was actually Roxas?
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I wanna remind everyone that we don't know how solar was revived. Remember, Moons' theories could be wrong. Moon has a tendency to say what he thinks happened and present them as fact. So Moon could be wrong, but I do think it has someone thing do with V2's demsional code because Eclipse confirmed it, and I think he confirmed the soul sharing thing, but I might be wrong. However, take Moom with a grain of salt.
A couple of unrelated thoughts that refuse to get out of my brain:
1) The situation with Solar having a hit placed on him
In listening to what Moon said about it earlier, it has something to do with Solar being the only part of his dimension that's still alive, and somehow, SOME WAY, his dimensional code factors into that. How is that the case, though?
When Eclipse was setting up everything to bring Solar back, he switched Solar's dimensional code out for the dimensional code of V2, that way Solar's code would sort of,,, line up with the dimension (for lack of better phrasing), and the universe, in a way, would be like "Oh yeah, this guy, he belongs here, everything's fine, there's nothing to worry about"
Solar's new dimensional code SHOULD make it so that he meshes with everything from the OG dimension, and it SHOULD help make it seem like (code-wise) he belongs there
How would whoever tf put a bounty on his head know how to track his dimensional code and tell it apart from the code of everything else that came from the home dimension?? That'd be like having a cardboard box filled with hundreds of identical paper clips, and being told to find the one that's ever so slightly different than the others. But surprise surprise, they're all the same. There isn't one that's unique at all
I'm sure there's a better example I could give than that, but that's the best I can come up with right now
2) Who KS's Moon apparently "took" from him (or hurt. I forget what the exact phrasing was)
I saw someone discussing this somewhere. Could've been here on tumblr. Could've been a post on youtube. I don't remember where. The main thing I remember was the person being like "I stg it better not be Monty 🙄 that'd be SO boring"
But like. Consider for half a second: most Suns seem to start off with having a crush on Roxanne (or whoever is in her place in the band, like we saw on TEAPS when it was Foxy)
KS is incredibly fruity. That's not a secret. He's as straight as a wet spaghetti noodle. So,,, what if the person his Moon took away/hurt/killed/whatever,,, wasn't Monty, and instead it was actually Roxas?
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This fandom is so weird they’ll call Kat the VA every sexist and disrespectful thing under the sun but when a fellow VA (Davis in particular) says something to a character while he is playing a character THAT is unacceptable. Especially characters who are supposed to be in the wrong like villains for characters who have very gross traits. It’s so stupid and a fucked up hypocrisy. Expect its not hypocritical because Davis would NEVER mistreat Kat like this he is playing a role, a character. 
ITS A SHOW PEOPLE IS NOT REAL!
STOP COMPARING FANTASY TO REALITY!
Your words and text hurt. We are talking about real people who put their hearts into making a show for us with dynamic characters. Well written characters means flaws and actions that are NOT OKAY. That’s why we want to see them grow or want to see them fall to justice. At the end of the day this show is just that a show.
If Kat was uncomfortable she would tell her partner and I have every faith that Davis would listen, apologise and change because that what you do when you love someone.
Stop judging their relationship based off of a conversation between two animatronic OC’s from a fan made VR YouTube channel.
Why are some people comparing VA's to their characters??
Stop that. Do you know how ridiculous you sound when you say that the VA's are so mean to their friends or whatever when they play a character that ISN'T their partner or friend or whatever??
THEY ARE ACTING IN CHARACTER.
ACTING.
Idk if Roxas will be a thing with Earth or not (I doubt he will since she shrugs him off) but don't go talking shit about the voice actors again just because they're acting in character.
It's 2025 people. We should be able to know this by now.
ALSO if she had a problem with it I think she'd say something.
EDIT: This happened with Monty and Bloodmoon and now it's happening with Roxas. RELAX.
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Can we give applause to the ghost’s VA from yesterday’s episode. Making your voice shake like that, so consistently over a decent amount of time ain’t easy.
Also they were so fun to watch
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I kinda don’t want Eclipse to be okay next ep, like idk I’m in the mood for the next Eclipse v.5 where you at.
It would also be nice to see the conflict of Charlie feeling guilty, the others blaming ruin for prioritising his Monty, who for all they know is already dead inside his own head, over them and now one of them has payed the ultimate price. I also wanna see how they cope with a clone instead of the one they knew same with Terra. Even if she’s kinda dealt with it before they weren’t close like they are now.
I am intrigued to see if Ruin is okay he did have the virus deeply ingrained in itself as well, I wonder if removing it had consequences.
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Dude I feel you college has been kicking my but
ECLIPSE’S IMMUNITY? HEH. THE STAR!
I KNOW WHY ECLIPSE ISN’T BEING AFFECTED. EDD’S TEAPS RANT / THEORY
WORST PART ABOUT REMAKING A BLOG? LOSING YOUR OLD FUCKING RANTS. BUCKLE UP, I HAVE TO RE-EXPLAIN THIS. If you understand all the background context already, feel free to skip to the SECOND big red text!
Eclipse MIGHT still be soul bonded with The Star, and that is the exact reason he’s not reacting to the virus like anyone else. It’s EXTREMELY important to theorize about this because DAVIS WENT THROUGH A LOOTT OF UNNECESSARY WORK TO HIGHLIGHT “HEY! THESE AREN’T NORMAL SYMPTOMS.”
The Star isn’t active, he can’t use his powers - not because they diminished, but because he’s not in his original dimension. That doesn’t make the Star useless, it just takes away its power, and the ability for Eclipse to use magic.
Allow me to take you back, to OLD, OLD tsams. 2022.
Background Context:
If anyone wants to go hunting for these quotes to fact check, go for it. I just don’t have the episodes on hand.
Moon and Eclipse’s Singularity
Pre-split Sun + Moon. Eclipse doesn’t exist because Eclipse is Moon. I am coming to realize not many people acknowledge that. Most believe Eclipse is killcode, this is misinformation. He is only PART of killcode. He, in Moon’s code, is identified as “Malice” or “Moon’s Malice”. He is a personality trait, which is why his personality was so cramped and underdeveloped through V1. Because his code was so bare in separation, Sun’s code rubbed off on him giving him his body.
Birth of the Neuton Star
Moon discusses with other characters that the Star is essentially linked to the first person who uses it. They, and The Star, create a bond that can’t be severed. This, theoretically and by pure technicality, would’ve been Moon pre-split. That means Eclipse was present. They found the Star, a bare piece of energy, and added onto it with THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND KNOWLEDGE that made it a wieldable weapon.
HOWEVER, because of Moon’s lack-of ‘Star Power Incidents’ as far as I’ve seen, this means the Star wasn’t used upon creation. Instead, it was used by the first person who truly got their hands on it…Eclipse. By Moon’s logic, Eclipse is now bonded to the Star in a way that cannot be severed.
The Star is a repeating prophecy. It will be reborn over and over again over the course of a millennium or so. It will not have a full physical form after destruction, but Star Power itself is in everything and cannot be removed. Like the existence of existing itself. The Neuton Star (as Moon originally names it) will always be built upon and used. This is why Astrals exist, to protect that Star and keep it from the wrong hands.
Eclipse’s False Victory
2023-2024, Eclipse wins. He has the Star, he discovers and labels The Astrals, then after rotting by himself, he decides he doesn’t care anymore. Instead, he decides to let himself die. Until - he has an unexplained vision. A vision that Lunar will cause an Armageddon. He becomes desperate to warn, overtaken by a new purpose as he gets lured straight into an unneeded death trap.
Eclipse’s Death
Eclipse is obliterated. Moon, Solar, and Sun use a satellite to airstrike Eclipse and send him, and the Star, into oblivion. Eclipse reunites with Solar Flare in a place between life and death. Solar Flare reassures him it is over, there’s nothing left to do. Eclipse refuses at first, but slowly melts into frustration and regret.
Solar Flare walks off to enjoy death.
Eclipse stays.
This is important. Because he didn’t ever fully die.
Additional “Rocky-Road Idea”
We don’t actually know if the Star’s been obliterated. I say this because in the beginning of The Star’s existence, it was given to Montgomery Gator. At the time, Monty tried to break it and destroy it in every way possible. This included a BLACK HOLE experiment, and - fittingly enough, an airstrike experiment with a satellite from space. Whether the Star was ever destroyed in the first place is still a question I cannot answer.
Eclipse’s Resurrection
Eclipse is made to believe he is a carbon copy, a clone, NOT the real Eclipse. This is false. This has always been false. If you pay attention, you knew this was false already.
Eclipse wakes up after resurrection with no clues as to where he is, no reason to understand he’s alive, and has a SURGE of issues. He’s paranoid, his personality has been drastically damaged. He’s terrified, anxious, lacking of hate and focusing on answers.
He immediately knows who brought him back. Ruin. And he is DEAD SET on proving it, even after being called crazy. As if he watched it and forgotten it. He has no recollection of anything, his memories are jumbled at first. He reports it was “as if his memories were in third person”. Like the show. This means When Ruin built him, he originally programmed his memories in the same fashion Nexus tried to regain any while being New Moon. He imported all the episodes into his systems.
Yet, he’s traumatized. He’s reacting to issues that happened off screen. He remembers more and more as time goes on, no longer in third person, but in first. We can read discover this BECAUSE he has trauma responses. Nexus did not experience the years of trauma Moon went through, nor did he react to it. Eclipse did react to his own trauma. Often.
Eclipse has a surge of magic. He’s never been committed in any form to learn magic, he’s detested it numerous times. He’s only learned a few things - however, when he confronts the Creator, he instinctively uses it to shove The Creator away. Validly, both him and The Creator are surprised, but Eclipse shoves the issue away, never talking about it again.
As Eclipse moves into this new dimension, all his little “incidents” disappear. The Star is still present, but it is inactive. This is because of the blunt fact that Stars cannot be used in incorrect universes. By moving to a new universe, Eclipse is rendered as helpless as he always has been.
The Memory Of Star Power Theory
Because of all these little details, I came up with the theory that -
V4 isn’t a copy, he is, and always has been, the ORIGINAL Eclipse. I screamed about this for a WHILE. PAPERS! PAPERS! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!
I am currently calling it “Memory of Star Power”, but, the memory for water comes from Moana, basically saying “because water is a fluid that can take the shape of anything, it remembers the shape of everything that touches it.”
[Heavily theorized] When Eclipse originally died, the destruction of the Star caused a surge. Not in electricity, but in Star Power. Star Power exists everywhere, The Star is just a physical manifestation of it, and will always be the center point where Star Power is the most prevalent. This is how Eclipse originally tracked it down in 2022-2023. Suddenly exploding the main body can make the Star Power in the area almost suffocating - if it wasn’t as natural, or lively as oxygen.
The remnants of Eclipse, his memories, his DIMENSIONAL CODE, or even his SOUL dispersed with that power, roaming earth like oxygen without anywhere to go…until, a few months later, when Ruin creates his little side project(V4). The idle Star Power was aware of V4 as a work in progress created by Ruin because Star Power is omnipotent without a conscious. Simply because it exists everywhere, and remembers all that is.
Eclipse wasn’t “conscious” at the time, he was dead. But, that memory followed with him when the Star Power RETURNS to Eclipse’s body to find its rightful place…in that un-severable bond with Eclipse.
It is as if Eclipse himself has fulfilled the Rebuilt Star prophecy by BECOMING the Star - in an odd metaphor way, and a literal sense.
Why tell us this?
BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN RECENTLY, INDIRECTLY CONFIRMED TO BE CANON. Eclipse confronts Ruin about if he truly is just a carbon copy like Ruin has said he is. Ruin drops that - no. He never was. He was never a cheap copy to begin with. Ruin says if Eclipse had never died, he would still have turned out like this eventually.
This means that Eclipse was effectively revived from TRUE death. This is highlighted because no other character other than LUNAR has met TRUE DEATH and come back without some universe breaking rules. But…lowkey…Lunar ended up the same way - he was reborn as a Star. How…how interesting.
Now that you know THAT, what’s it gotta deal with the current Virus?
DAVIS HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT ECLIPSE ISN’T HAVING THE RIGHT SYMPTOMS. When people in the show share contradictory opinions, you have to cherry pick with some EXTREME critical thinking.
Ruin, someone DAVIS plays as, stares at the Virus’ symptoms that BELONG TO HIS CHARACTER - and says “That isn’t normal.”
Charlie claims The Virus acts differently for everyone. This is a direct combat against Ruin’s claim.
However, seconds later she contradicts her own claim.
Another thing to mention is that Ruin ISN’T being DUMB. He’s HIGHLY educated on this out of all things from sheer experience. He is lashing out in anger and desperation, but he is not allowing it to CONTROL him like we saw in his first lash out against Charlie.
He refrains from cussing, tries to convince, provide evidence, explain himself - he is not attacking Charlie verbally, trying to put her down, or anything of the sort. He is simply desperate because they are ALMOST at the finish line, and now everyone is backing out. Which, can be fatal.
Logistics break!
Ruin is objectively correct. Everyone CAN survive and then be cured AFTER being infected. Especially since Ruin is inherently immune and working on the cure. That is their current goal for the virus with MONTGOMERY GATOR. Once they have the cure, they can disperse it EVERYWHERE.
The main concern for everyone else is “what’s going to happen between now and then?” People could die, the world could end, permanent damage could be inflicted, and IS being inflicted AS WE SPEAK. Hundreds of people are losing their lives while Ruin is held them back from killing Monty at the beginning.
But, if they back out of making a cure now, if they decide to kill Montgomery, it’s not going to save everyone. In fact, it is far too late for that, because it can now be considered the end of the world. The virus has spread across the globe. There isn’t any way to “kill Monty and kill the rest” like a patient zero outbreak - because Montgomery Gator IS NOT PATIENT ZERO. RUIN IS. Whether that can now be applicable if we were to kill Ruin is up for debate.
The Virus now has MILLIONS of hosts. Once Monty dies, it will CONTINUE to spread. Ruin’s decision to make a cure was a fatal decision when Monty first came around, because then, they HAD a choice. They think they no longer do now because everyone is dying - but they aren’t realizing that they are about to choose a choice that NO LONGER EXISTS.
RUIN IS NOT ACTING IRRATIONALLY TO ACT IRRATIONALLY. RUIN’S CURE IS LIKELY THE ONLY REAL OPTION THEY HAVE ANYMORE. RUIN IS ACTING LIKE THIS BECAUSE HE HAS LIVED THIS EXACT SCENARIO BEFORE, AND KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
Ruin is very disconnected from humanity. He doesn’t WANT to see them die, but if it comes to it, Ruin would throw away the species to save something greater. He has before, and he will again. This stems from his years of brainwashing low-key. “Humans must die” and all that.
FINALLY. AFTER ALL THIS INFORMATION, HERE’S WHAT I CLAIM
The remnants of Star inside Eclipse is cancelling The Virus. Negatively.
The Virus gets into your head and essentially takes control of you, turning you into another person entirely, and sealing yourself away in the back of your subconscious. [Third time, Eclipse?] [sorry that was uncalled for] That “new person”, that SHELL, that ENDGAME of the Virus is what takes your memories, your virtual amygdala, and twists it around and heightens it like nothing else before. It will take things you are no longer dwelling on, and use it as a main motive.
The symptoms of the Ruin Virus goes as following: Intrusive thoughts, blacking out [typically engaging in violent activities], hysteria, irritability, verbal filter loss, and a complete loss in control of strong emotions [extremely dramatized, exaggerated, explosive, etc.]
However, Eclipse is having completely opposite symptoms.
Eclipse is seen to be irritable at the beginning of today’s episode [Eclipse gets CORRUPTED by the RUIN VIRUS in VRCHAT], and then his emotions subtly vanish. He has minimal reaction, zones out, loses a sense of awareness, but remains HIMSELF.
Roxanne in this episode becomes delirious. She becomes paranoid, senses heightened, having intrusive violent thoughts while she keeps a hold of her final-stage sanity - like we saw with Ruin’s Monty in older episodes such as Ruin’s HISTORY in VRCHAT [or the other one…it was a Nexus and Ruin episode where bro gets lobotomized…there’s only 2 of those episodes so it won’t be hard to find.]
Even before then, Roxanne was irritable, aware of everyone, and angered by such. Roxanne wasn’t herself, like she was stuck in a mindset focusing on nagging, nagging, nagging.
Ruin’s Monty was delirious, hyper vigilant, and extremely blackout violent. He didn’t become aware of what he was doing until it was done, though following the string of intrusive thoughts until he finally commits the act of killing people.
Ballora became irritable, aggressive, and violent. She isn’t necessarily black-out violent, but she’s clearly not herself. She became tunnel visioned, easy to distract and anger, and quick to violence.
Eclipse on the other hand becomes a complete statue - the OPPOSITE of what The Virus would do. It’s not the idea that Eclipse is just affected differently to quirkily contrast his already violent self, it’s a DIRECT RED FLAG.
Not to mention, Eclipse hasn’t LOST HIMSELF like everyone else. He is not lashing out, he is not using old anger, new irrational anger, or ANYTHING of the sort.
Eclipse is on ONE line of thought, the entire time. He does not become distracted, he does not huff out of anger - but desperation and realization. He continues to speak out his goal, what needs to be done, he does not give in to a mindset of violence and delirium. He is FULLY sane…while losing complete motor and thought control.
If The Virus was working PROPERLY, Eclipse would be the MOST FEARED to be infected, because he has the most experience in senseless violence. He would probably kill EVERYONE without a second thought. IF. THE. VIRUS. WORKED. PROPERLY.
But THE VIRUS. ISN’T. WORKING. ON ECLIPSE.
Think of it like a common sickness. You do not get symptoms from the virus itself, you get symptoms from the evidence that your body has RECOGNIZED a virus, and is ACTIVELY fighting it. Whether it is losing or winning is irrelevant.
When you cough, sneeze, vomit, or even HICCUP it is to REMOVE the infection that you are stuck with. It is a direct combat strategy your body puts into motion to expel your body of something foreign.
If you were to go into a COMA, it is because your body physically cannot heal with you being conscious at the same time. If you were, it’d worsen swelling and all sorts of problems. When you are advised to rest while you are sick, it is because it gives your body the chance to focus on fighting the infection. To continue to do things while your body is fighting will weaken your systems and often cause you disadvantages in the battle - which makes it worse.
The EXISTENCE of clogged Star Power inside of Eclipse - the DEFINITION of life ESSENCE - is ACTIVELY FIGHTING the Ruin Virus to see which can keep the body, considering Eclipse…in theory…may have possessed HIMSELF - DUE TO THAT RESURRECTION.
“One possession at a time, please!”
It is causing Eclipse to go into a stand-still comatose state while his body is fighting off the Virus as much as it can. Eclipse may not be ABLE to GET infected for all we know BECAUSE of this. We have yet to see if The Virus will eventually overcome The Star. If it does, will it turn him into a speechless zombie, or will it remain as Eclipse? Or, if The Star will overturn The Virus, Will it make him IMMUNE?
My personal thought is that he will be in a constant standing-coma.
Last thought off tonight’s topic.
Ruin is the virus.
Do we all remember this?
“Eclipse” [dead name] and Ruin are the same person, but are metaphorically two different people. “Eclipse” is the body “Ruin” resides in. “Eclipse” is a dimensional code along with a chosen name, but above all, who Ruin wants to be perceived as. Eclipse was a curious animatronic who looked forward to life, but the birth of “Eclipse” was also the birth of “Ruin”.
Ruin is Eclipse’s GIVEN name - by his Creator. Not because of some DLC or separation from other characters [well it may used to be but not anymore…] but because Ruin is the name of The Virus that Eclipse is MADE of. This is what makes Eclipse DIFFERENT from other Eclipse’s, Sun’s, Moon’s, etc. He is a rare phenomenon in which Ruin becomes a world-ending catastrophe. He is a global disaster.
The Creator names Eclipse “Ruin” to highlight his existence as a world killer.
That would be like naming someone with Leukemia “Leuke” as a nickname.
Ruin’s virus was used to kill humanity in his world…and they succeeded.
So, when I heard this
“The virus memorized the path to my brain.” “It’s learning.” - Eclipse
I had to think... “is it the Virus that’s learning, or is it Ruin?”
Ruin rebuilt Eclipse. Ruin knows his anatomy, but doesn’t know the others.
Charlie didn’t attempt to “push!” the others…so the instant-regeneration is debatable now. It could be The Virus mutating…or…
The Virus is reconnecting with Ruin. Patient Zero. The Original Strain.
Have fun with that! Let me know your thoughts and theories! :]
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