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[zillychu]

haha wow you don't have a DPS? rookie mistake lol hey why is your mage getting out a knife--

[zillychu]

Tactical assault twink is an incredible phrase. It’s going in the lexicon forever

listen... what else am i gonna call this thing

that's a swiss army knife in a soft fluffy blanket

[zillychu]

haha wow you don't have a DPS? rookie mistake lol hey why is your mage getting out a knife--

[zillychu]

this is the energy I'm looking for

what this world really needs is Golden Girls AUs but non one's brave enough to admit it

[zillychu]

what this world really needs is Golden Girls AUs but non one's brave enough to admit it

[zillychu]

what if they just started making sequels to things. what would spaghetti 2 look like

[zillychu]

Thank you everyone for your kind and very truthful words. They've all helped me immensely.

We all have moments where it can get to be too much, I think. Thank you for holding my hand and helping me out of the dark. I hope we can all do that for each other when he hit our breaking points.

I'm probably going to be grieving for a few days like most of the country. But when the grief cools down, fury ignites.

I don't think those in power understand what we're capable of when we're backed in a corner, and we see our neighbors are too. That feeling transcends party lines.

[zillychu]

Please tell me there's still hope.

Please tell me something can still be done.

None of this "Protest! Organize mutual aid! Start a community! Call your senators! Keep speaking up! Don't give in!" or "Flee to a different country!"

Please tell me there's something real we can do that isn't just a bandaid.

The only thing that could work is a nationwide general strike, and I just. Don't think it'll happen.

I'm tired. I don't have the strength left. I can't do this.

[zillychu]

oh, you ate a star when you crashed out? that's cute

[zillychu]

the three genders... cat, dog, and fox

[zillychu]

that one artbook siffrin :)

[zillychu]

Why not just block the people who are posting DPxDC?

Because no one wants to do that. I have nothing against DPxDC, or the people who enjoy it.

That's why a bunch of us have been asking for years to please, please just do this one simple thing to make the fandom here comfier and accessible for everyone. We're all fans, we don't want to block other fans. But that's kind of the only option we have left, now.

This!!

I think what a lot of the DPxDC fans pushing back don't understand is, we're asking this for you. We're asking this so we don't have to block you.

Which makes the vitriol slung back at this request even more perplexing to me.

[zillychu]

i'm genuinely curious, wouldn't blocking the DPxDC tag solve the problem here, or is there some issue i'm not thinking of?

Unfortunately, the way Tumblr works, a blocked post still takes up about as much space as an unblocked post. It's a big gray box that says "this is a blocked post bc of these tags you've blacklisted".

Which is. Awful site design. Because even if it's blocked, we're still having to scroll through all the posts. Which isn't bad when it's merely peppered throughout a tag, but it's a problem when nearly half (or more!) of the tag is full of those posts. No one would use any social media if half the posts were ads you had to scroll past.

[zillychu]

Again: It's not gatekeeping. No one is saying DPxDC isn't allowed to exist.

Again, this has been common courtesy since Tumblr began. Not once had it ever been accused of being "gatekeeping".

Again: This isn't about all AUs, this is about when one specific AU becomes so saturated in the canon tag, that canon tag becomes unusable.

Again: Telling the fandom to use a new, different tag for canon content is beyond unreasonable. You've effectively kicked the fandom out and made the canon tag your home for one single AU.

And again, DPxDC content will still be found using /search, just not /tagged. This allows the fandom to keep their canon tag, keep it usable, and gives DPxDC fans an avenue to find both canon DP, and DPxDC content.

The "what's next" and slippery slope fallacies are ridiculous. Again, this is one AU we're taking about. Again, this has been common practice in Tumblr fandoms for 18 years. Yes, it's a gray area. But this is a clear-cut instance where the fandom at large has been unhappy for years.

The reason this is being talked about at all, is because the majority of the fandom is left with only one option now to self-curate: and that's to start blocking people who post DPxDC content in the main tag. We don't want to do that. We're asking this because we want to keep this fandom space together, where both parties have their own space (canon tag + AU tag) and a communal space option (search function).

The way some of the DPxDC fans are acting with this aggressive pushback says that they're more concerned about having their extremely divergent and OOC AU being found in order to try and pull more fans into a different fandom... rather than being courteous to the fandom that's welcomed them.

This is the first time I've ever seen an AU get so big the majority of the fandom is upset by it making the tag unusable, and the AU fans not self-delegating to their own tag as common courtesy. As an avid AU lover, this is bizarre, and this is the last I'll speak of it.

So, do what you want to do. Just know that more and more fans are starting to block users posting DPxDC content in the main tag. We don't want to do this, and have tried to help find new ways to accommodate everyone rather than resorting to blocking, because that's truly excluding you. This was an attempt at an olive branch, so if you'd rather the rest of the fandom block you, that's your choice.

Can we please politely push for DPxDC content to not use the main DP tags?

An AU overtaking a main tag is a fairly common fandom thing to happen, and when it does happen, this is generally how it's dealt with. There's no solid guideline of when to do it, but at some point, an AU becomes so widespread that blacklisting doesn't really help.

It's also simply not fair, nor logical to shove a fandom out of its tags and into a different tag or community. What about new fans who peek into the main tag and see nothing but an AU they weren't looking for?

(This is a great place to also remind people that only the first five tags on a post get sorted site-wide. Anything after those are purely for your own organization in your own blog. So you can still tag your stuff with canon tags after the first five!)

I really think DPxDC stuff needs to be posted in a dedicated tag/community. I really don't want to have to start blocking individual users, but after waiting for... what, three years, I think? In hopes that fans would self-govern and use a bit of common courtesy I've seen in other fandoms? I'm unfortunately almost there. Not to say that this is deliberately rude! I'm not sure the fandom at large has really talked about it enough for DPxDC fans to catch on, so I don't blame any party here.

I just think this is something we could very politely ask for more. Be kind, be patient, and see if we all can't make this fandom space a bit more comfy for everyone, yeah?

[zillychu]

Crossovers absolutely have a place in the main tag for sure, I completely agree.

However, there's a threshold an AU can hit that just becomes unreasonable, and upsets a huge portion of fans. I created a huge AU for Gravity Falls (Transcendence AU) many years ago, and for a time, it began to actually overrun the canon tag. The second GF fans started voicing their displeasure, the Transcendence AU fans all collectively decided to stop posting in the main tag. Our content was still easily found, interaction didn't dwindle at all, and everyone was happy. A bunch of us even found it freeing, honestly! No one felt guilty or nervous about flooding the canon tag, cause we had our own tag now.

It's a bit exclusionary yes, but looking at it from a harm mitigation standpoint (or, discomfort mitigation. annoyance mitigation?), asking fans politely to exclude an AU that's overtaken a canon tag has been common courtesy since the beginning of Tumblr. It's not a slippery slope, and it doesn't cause harassment. It's a tried and true method that keeps the biggest number of people happy.

Because truly, what seems most fair to you--Kicking an existing fandom out of their tag? Or asking fans of a specific AU to please stick to their AU tag?

And it's important to remember that there are still ways to discover DPxDC--The search function (separate from the tag) would still populate DPxDC alongside all canon DP content. Looking into individual blogs (which is how Tumblr is made to be used in the first place). You can also search for the tag directly after running into it on other sites like AO3.

I'll admit it's not a perfect solution for everyone, but it's the best we have. No one is saying this "because it's easy"--if it was easy, I would have said something years ago. I get that you're rightfully upset about the prospect, but a huge chunk of the fandom is rightfully upset, too. The tag has become unusable even with blacklisting. It's not a minor thing to brush aside, it's actively been keeping a lot of fans (like myself) from even participating in the fandom anymore. And that's really sad, man.

Can we please politely push for DPxDC content to not use the main DP tags?

An AU overtaking a main tag is a fairly common fandom thing to happen, and when it does happen, this is generally how it's dealt with. There's no solid guideline of when to do it, but at some point, an AU becomes so widespread that blacklisting doesn't really help.

It's also simply not fair, nor logical to shove a fandom out of its tags and into a different tag or community. What about new fans who peek into the main tag and see nothing but an AU they weren't looking for?

(This is a great place to also remind people that only the first five tags on a post get sorted site-wide. Anything after those are purely for your own organization in your own blog. So you can still tag your stuff with canon tags after the first five!)

I really think DPxDC stuff needs to be posted in a dedicated tag/community. I really don't want to have to start blocking individual users, but after waiting for... what, three years, I think? In hopes that fans would self-govern and use a bit of common courtesy I've seen in other fandoms? I'm unfortunately almost there. Not to say that this is deliberately rude! I'm not sure the fandom at large has really talked about it enough for DPxDC fans to catch on, so I don't blame any party here.

I just think this is something we could very politely ask for more. Be kind, be patient, and see if we all can't make this fandom space a bit more comfy for everyone, yeah?

[zillychu]

Can we please politely push for DPxDC content to not use the main DP tags?

An AU overtaking a main tag is a fairly common fandom thing to happen, and when it does happen, this is generally how it's dealt with. There's no solid guideline of when to do it, but at some point, an AU becomes so widespread that blacklisting doesn't really help.

It's also simply not fair, nor logical to shove a fandom out of its tags and into a different tag or community. What about new fans who peek into the main tag and see nothing but an AU they weren't looking for?

(This is a great place to also remind people that only the first five tags on a post get sorted site-wide. Anything after those are purely for your own organization in your own blog. So you can still tag your stuff with canon tags after the first five!)

I really think DPxDC stuff needs to be posted in a dedicated tag/community. I really don't want to have to start blocking individual users, but after waiting for... what, three years, I think? In hopes that fans would self-govern and use a bit of common courtesy I've seen in other fandoms? I'm unfortunately almost there. Not to say that this is deliberately rude! I'm not sure the fandom at large has really talked about it enough for DPxDC fans to catch on, so I don't blame any party here.

I just think this is something we could very politely ask for more. Be kind, be patient, and see if we all can't make this fandom space a bit more comfy for everyone, yeah?

[zillychu]

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