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WISH HOOK AND EMMA ISSUE

COMPARING ZELENA AND ROBIN TO WISH HOOK IN S7 AND EMMA IN S7

(It's scary how similar they are)

Pls write this it's 2am I'm supposed to be asleep

So you guys should know the Zelena and Robin incident in s4. It reminded me of something from later season. So, last night, I saw several posts saying " S7 Wish Hook is 10000x times better than normal hook," And honestly agree, wish hook in s7 was the these best I've seen in Hook. However, I had remembered something from season seven, that made me side eye the air at 2am. 

I'm gonna compare the Robin and Zelena incident in season four and Emma and Wish Hook in s7.

Zelena makes herself into Marian who's the supposed 'alive' wife of Robin. Zelena planned on doing stuff to him that Robin consented to, but he consented to Marian not Zelena.

Now, in s7, wish Hook wanted to make himself younger to pose as Normal!Hook, and planned on never telling Emma. So, If his plan ever did work and the relationship goes far to the point they, yk, with Wish! Hook and with Emma not knowing, that'd be r4pe, bc Emma would have consented to doing "it" with hook.

But without wish hook, S7 Hook- Roger's is

the best hook. And him and Tilly are a great father- daughter relationship (ill also accept his father- daughter relationship as Wish Hook). I just find Wish Hook to be weird. What do you guys think? 

(Pls be respectful, I'm trying to keep this one post to not be rude cuz I just want to see ppls opinion on this. PS. I made this last year but it kind of feels weird to say, but it is what is and was what it was.)

anyways.. am i the only one who feels like this?

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Am i the only one who is confused about the fact that Hook was able to redeem himself in less than two episodes yet Regina took 2 seasons? Its the fact that he did bad things too in s2 and they just brushed it off by the season finale (s3). Acting like a few days ago (s2) he didn't just betray Emma for his own good. Also, Greg told him Regina was going to get tortured, he also asked Hook to help and he said only if we kill rumple. This man doesn't seem to give a shit and is redeemed so easily. Btw, I'm not saying that it took too long for Regina's redemption because it takes a place in her development and I'm happy that it was gradual

(based off memory because i haven't seen the show in a good while.)

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REGINA MILLS ANALYSIS

I may get things wrong, so I'm putting information I know of or believe in the most. I still may get it wrong, so correct me. I'm going to talk about Regina's problematic actions, relationships she was in, and a bit of widely talked about topics. Also, most of the posts about her are outdated and later proven to be wrong. So I had to put points that are now and have been canon since the show ended.

CONTAINS: Opinions

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Regina Mill's personality goes easier throughout the show. From being manipulative to caring but still having that s1 spark. She expresses her caring to her old enemies, aka, The Charmings.

From the flashbacks, we see Regina adopt a child named Henry. She went from having almost full vengeance and revenge still pent up in her heart to having a mix of both love and darkness due to Henry.

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Yes, Regina was rude to her citizens of Storybrooke. But most of what she did (in later seasons) was use sarcasm. Let's jump into her actions.

Problematic Actions:

- R4pe (Graham Specifically) for 28 years

- Manipulate Henry for years ( calling his 'theory' of fairytales fake)

- Violence (to Villages and People)

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Let get into the r4pe part first. Of course, even as someone like a Regina stan should not excuse this behavior. Me, aka a person who likes her but doesn't excuse and will NEVER excuse her problematic actions, especially this one in particular.

Regina had raped Graham for around 28 years. 

One sentence that implies it, even for a little bit, is in the episode where Graham (huntsman at the time) meets Regina for the first time. She says

"Take him to my bedchamber,"

I know it's short. But why else would someone say that. Just think about that.

And also the fact that Regina most definitely (for the curse) made Graham engage with her romantically and sexually. Even though it was obvious that he didn't like her that way in the Enchanted forest or most likely ever. Not to mention she had his heart, and in ouat logic hearts are used to control people, so when doing stuff with Regina both romantically and sexually, he was forced to because Regina gave him orders.

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Now we go to Manipulating Henry.

For ten whole years, Henry has lived and grew up with Regina. He loved his mother (even though she's not his bio mom). Until Henry got the book, and Emma had revealed that Henry had a book and kept on saying everyone in town are fairytale characters that are cursed (which ofc is true). Regina, unknowing of her sons correct theory /speculation/ belief, was visibly shocked. And when she found out that Snow (Mary) had given the book to him, she didn't want that at all. And even set up Emma into saying that Henry was 

'crazy' when Henry was nearby. So that she can attempt to stop him from thinking of his speculation and them bonding.

All of this was to make sure Henry couldn't connect and hate his birth mother so that she could have him as his own. And also because Henry was right, and she didn't want her son of ten years to hate her for her sins.

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Explaining the cause of her actions. NOT JUSTIFING HER PROBLEMATIC ACTIONS, IM JUST EXPLAINING WHY SHE DID THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Justify means to show or prove to be right or reasonable.

While to explain means to be the cause of or motivating factor for an action.

I know explain has many definitions or ways to explain what it means and one means to justify. While mine means to simply explain the cause or motivation towards the action.

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There's no doubt Cora was abusive to Regina. And before you start, there's different types of abuse. The abuse Cora does to Regina is Mental and Emotional. Maybe physical but still very debatable and unclear.

For emotional, Cora visibly and directly shows that Cora wants to control Regina. She wanted Regina to do something Regina didn't want just so Cora could have what SHE wanted. And Emotional abuse means to, "target a person's feelings, it uses emotions to manipulate, punish, and achieve control." That heavily reminds me of Cora killing Daniel to gain more control of Regina. And if you didn't already know.

And there's scenes where Cora would grab Regina forcefully with vines to STOP Regina from moving or walking away from her. Cora said in one of the scenes, "Don't you dare walk away from me!" Then proceed to grab Regina using vines from her Magic. Also, her father, Henry, said to Regina that Cora wanted control over her and if Regina continues with her evil actions, her mother had achieved to controlled her. Because, everything Cora did to Regina was calculated. Daniel's Death, The marriage, the abuse, and it was all to get Reina to become evil. In s2 i think, (the Angstiest Regina Season), Regina goes to Archie upset and with TEARS in her eyes because, she used magic, because she used magic. And she Didn't want to use magic against Henry like her mother. After she did so, she was upset because she broke her own promise to not use magic against Henry. Also because it reminded her of what her mother did to her, and she did want to pass it down for Henry.

Also Cora in s2, came Storybrooke (her daughters town) not only to reunite with Regina but to BREAK HER... like wtf. And Regina is Already upset because Henry is growing distant to her. But Cora, literally

frames her own daughter for murder. While the whole fucking town is already against her.

For Mental, theres an episode where Cora forms Regina's thoughts by saying, "Sometimes I wonder if the people actually like you". And Cora seems to have an influence in Regina's world view, of Wolf and Sheep. Regina States in the episode where she meets the huntsman (Graham). 

(Got the episode part from a Tumblr poster from ouatanalysis) aka:

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Now back to what I was saying about Cora. Cora had forced Regina into marriage. BUT as you could tell as time went on Regina had decided to use her relationship with Leopold to gain control, because that's what her mother said, about something along the lines of, "power is useful" before she sent her mother through the mirror.

And her mother sent her to a marriage with a broken old ass man who was still grieving his wife. Which lead to the neglect from Leopold to Regina. It was stated by Regina herself that Leopold would often leave Regina by herself at the castle that at points she felt like the 'Queen of Nothing'.

And for me i feel like Regina (forgive me for wording this part wrong) was considered her as a mourning tool. Like, "Oh my wife died 8 years ago, lets get another one to help with and to deal with me". Yes he may have also gotten Regina because she seemed like a good mother figure fit for Snow, but still, most likely half the woman population of Leopolds age from Leopolds kingdom would save Snow from the horse in a heartbeat if they were there and they would show genuine feelings for Leopold. However, he chooses, a woman who's 18 and lives away.

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Not only Cora and Leopold influenced Regina's bad perspective and actions, Rumple also did too.

Rumple saw Regina as a person wanting power and wanting to stand out and not seem as weak and took the opportunity as the dark one to turn Regina evil.

Regina at first was hesitant to say that she liked using magic due to her not wanting to be like her mother and also due to her mother's actions with her, with magic.

But time happens and Regina uses more and more of magic for evil and frightens villages and kills Villagers who helped Snow in the slightest bit.

I still stan her because she changed, she's reformed and she would never do that stuff again (r4pe, use magic against Henry or manipulate him, or m4ss murd3r).

ANYWAYS, this was heavily controversial. But if your going to criticize/correct parts, be respectful and mature about it instead of wanting to start a riot. Saying "Fuck you", "Go die in a hole", "Kys", "I hope your house burns down". And be respectful, if you want to critigue/correct me at certain parts, by all means, go ahead, but tell me what parts I went wrong instead of telling me to kms.

NOTE: This is from May 2023, but I just remembered this now. And parts didn't make sense so I changed it up to make it better.

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Regina and Leopold's Marriage Pt2

I KNOW THIS IS LATE BUT I ORIGINALLY MADE THIS PT2 IN MAY BUT FORGOT TO POST THIS:

I heard someone say that Regina "WILLLINGLY married Leopold. She wasn't forced." As much as that angered me, part of me agrees. PART.

But we are all aware of Regina's reaction to Leopold was literally screaming, "NO.". She couldn't say "no" due to her most likely not trying to fuck up her relationship with her mom even more and not embarrass her mother infront of royals.

But for the 'WILLINGLY' part:

The wedding took place after Regina pushed Cora into the mirror. So, she must've thought, "She doesn't have any power/ control over me anymore, she doesn't control me," besides the thought of "Holy shit" and "it worked!". But the reason why she didn't leave afterwards was because, Rumples MANIPULATION had already been placed in Regina's head. Causing Regina to crave power. So technically, she WAS FORCED because if Cora didnt say 'yes' to the proposal and pushed Regina into it, Regina wouldn't have been so manipulated by Rumpel, that she would go onto the wedding, and Daniel would most likely still be alive for longer. Like a domino effect, one action leads to another and another and so on. And 'Another' is Regina's path to darkness. So she, she WAS forced but accepted it, and later on used it to get what she wanted.

Rumpel had already manipulated her mind. And so I'm sure Regina's mindset was, "if I build up my status by marriage and being higher up do to tha, I also can build my mental state and not be 'broken/sad' and I can be wanted and have more control over my life."

Here's something that correlates to what I'm saying:

Credits: ouatanalysis on tumblr

So in conclusion, she was forced, just accepted it and used her marriage to get what she wanted. Of course, when I said she probably wanted to "be wanted" the marriage didn't give her that, nor did the kingdom. So that was a bit of a downside.

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Resolving SQ

Personally, I love SQ a lot. But there's a lot of.. disagreements about this ship. I wanna talk about the two most talked about topics about this ship that antis use.

#1: "ABUSIVE"

I disagree.. bc Season one SQ would be only just slightly weird with Regina plotting to getting Emma out of town. Yes, they had a lot of tension (they had so much tension, it was emotionally killing me). But the 'attempted murder' wasn't an attempted murder, it was a sleeping curse. When Henry ate the apple turnover, he was in a sleeping curse he wasn't dead, he was dreaming..

ONTO THE NEXT ONE:

#2: "ITS INCEST!"

The MOST talked about argument is , incest. This is going to be a long one, so bare with me.

"Regina Is Emma's Step Grandmother", no, she isn't. Let me explain. First of all, when Regina kills Leopold, basically signaling that Regina is no longer married to Leopold also meaning shes no longer apart of the family (due to her connection to the family being dead bc of her). She no longer takes the role of Leopolds wife or the queen, but after she's just 'the queen'. She still only holds onto the role of the queen. Not of the 'Queen Misthaven' or 'Leopolds Wife' but just 'The Evil Queen'.

It is told that if your father dies, your stepmother is still your stepmother UNTIL YOUR 18. And Snow is wayyyy past that age. So legally, she's no longer Snow's stepmother. Because we can assume that Snow was around 23 when her father died. How did I get the number twenty three? Regina was 17-18 when she was purposed to by Leopold, Snow was 10 at the time. Regina was married to Leopold for 13 years. On the 13th year Leopold died. Making Snow 23, and no longer a minor.

That disconnects her from the family. Also the fact that Snow sees Regina as a friend and not her stepmother. 

Regina also never had a love feeling relationship with Leopold, which makes their marriage non loving. And no love in family doesn't make them family. Family means "the people who support and love you, and the people you can confide in and trust." And their relationship doesn't show that. 

With snow, Regina just cared for her in the two's beginnings. She never loved her as family. 

Regina was technically groomed by her mother. And before you say, Groomed means, "when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them.". I bolded 'manipulate' and 'exploit' and the others because that truly shows that Regina was manipulated and exploited by her mother to be into the loveless unfamilial marriage.

CONCLUSION:

SwanQueen wouldn't be considered abusive/toxic but it would be slightly weird in season one, in s2-7, still wouldn't. They definitely had chemistry and tension. Just because you can't see tension or chemistry, doesn't mean others do not see no chemistry too. Because a lot of people will agree with me that they DID have chemistry. And they aren't incest, both legally and emotionally.

I didn't revise lol.

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Regina and Leopolds Marriage

I don't know what to start with so Ima jump straight into it. I saw a post a while ago made from.. well years ago, stating that Regina was a grown woman.. Let me say this, OLDER ACTRESSES PLAY TEENS ALL THE TIME, (Nbr). For all we know Regina is 18 at the time when Leopold proposed. Some people say that if she was 19-25 (she was actually 18 during 'Stable Boy') it would not be weird. Yes, it would. Leopold was literally Regina's Father's age, if not, older. It would still be very weird for an 18 and 50-60+ year old to be married.

Some people say, "this takes place a several decades ago, it would be normal-" It doesn't make it right! Just because it takes place decades and go and it would be considered normal, it doesn't make it right. 

(just for example):

A 18-year-old in the times when arranged and forced marriage was normal, was forced to marry a 50-year-old man. Some would say, "That was normal then for 18 and she was old enough, it doesn't make it weird," ... what. I hope you see how stupid and ridiculous that sounds. Even if it was okay a long time ago, that doesn't make it okay. And again, it's still fucking weird.

Now back onto the marriage. "Regina didn't say no-" Stfu. The look on her face when Leopold kneels down and proposes is very obvious. Regina would have probably screamed out loud saying no if she could. But she didn't because her mom was nearby, and she didn't want to fuck up her already fucked up relationship with her mom by ruining her mother's advantage by saying no to the royals and she was in shock.

Now onto the rape topic. I keep reading that 'Leopold Raped Regina' , and I personally don't have a opinon on that because it was not stated and I don't want to get any backlash lol. But the most thing I believe about their marriage was the Regina was neglected and (ofc) forced to marry him.

For Leopold, he only listened to Regina's mothers 'yes' and not Regina's. And if he couldn't see the absolute shock and fear on Regina's face, idk what he saw there. If I proposed to someone (my own age bc I'm not weird) and I saw that look that Regina had on her face, I would get off the floor taking her physical and mental 'no' and 'wtf' for an answer and say sorry and leave. But Leopold didn't do that and when ONLY Regina's mother approved, he went along with it. And Regina's mother just handed Regina to Leopold probably knowing that Marital Rape could happen (ik it probably didn't, but I was just saying that what if it did and Cora just handed Regina over to that knowing that it could've be common at the time.).

Now, Leopold reading Regina's diary is disruptive of her privacy. And Regina put all those fake stuff in it and Leopold reads it. Regina is the type to always plan things out (evil or not), so she knew that Leopold would read her diary because he (probably) did it all the time. Even if she used the method of, making her diary out in the open to her father, thinking that her father would hand it over to Leopold. Or the other method of, putting it out in the open for Leopold to see, but if i was him, I still wouldn't touch the diary.

Leopold, in a scene specially states that "I know Regina is unhappy" and Leopold never does anything about it. Then he proceeds to say, "And yet I never imagined she would betray me like this," What?? Like, after being married with her KNOWING that she was unhappy and (most likely) never loved you, and you are betrayed?? Excuse me?

Then later on, he asked the Genie to "find the man who took his wife's heart". Genie asks "What are you going to do when you find him?". Then Leopold replies with, "Nothing you can be concerned with". So your saying you knew she was unhappy and feeling unloved and NEVER loved you and then your going to, what? Possibly murder? Shame? The person who might have given her hope in this terrible neglective unloving marriage?!

Not only that but him KNOWINGLY marries the woman he almost married (technically dated still engaged)'s daughter, KNOWINGLY. Adam Horowitz had also confirmed that Leopold REMEMBERED Cora. He remembered the woman he almost MARRIED.