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idk how it would be a synonym for pluralpunk? i guess it's kinda inbetween pluralpunk and pro endo in usage, from both the reclaimers and the anti endos trying to insist that pro endos aren't actually pro endo

i also don't fully see how reclaiming it would be dividing the endogenic community, since it would be the same thing as pro endo to anyone but the "anti radendo anti willo" anon. "traumagenic lite" and "the bad ones", if their system did not form from trauma, are still like... systems.

and acknowledging that they are systems, especially ones formed from non-negative experiences, i think is good, regardless of if people start to acknowledge those kinds of systems directly more or use the terms "pro endo (radendo and pro willo)" to clarify their stance as loving Every System. ofc if you just "reclaim" it to be performative but don't actively show love to willogenics and protogenics and other non-traumagenic experiences, then that's a problem but like...

idk i think the takeaway with this whole situation should be "we should love endos more and be loud about it especially those who are not negatively impacted by their system"

should we make a "ur fav is radendo blog"? :3

ok if i can be so honest, since this is giving me a chance to talk about this:

i really don't think we should reclaim 'radendo,' at least not in the way that it's being reclaimed, where it's about anything but stressgenic still.

the whole point of why 'radendo' is so inane is because its purposefully dividing the endogenic community into "traumagenic-lite" and "The Bad Ones", and reclaiming it as a positive term/a self-descriptor is still dividing the endogenic community

maybe it could be a synonym for pluralpunk instead??

but all this to say, tbh that'd be awesome

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The trolls have pretended to BE radendos before

not well tho, like... not well at all

I thought we decided a while ago we weren't reclaiming radendo so we could better find the trolls and not play directly into their hand by making the term a thing. Guess I was wrong. If you are comfortable with it I guess go for it but the idea of anyone using it seriously makes us so uncomfortable. The trolls have pretended to BE radendos before and I wouldn't be surprisedif they do it again if the word becomes normal to use. I wish it would remain a word for the trolls but I'm not in control of if it stays that way so I guess it's whatever.

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aaaand they blocked me before i could ask them to give me a real plural deep dive on the history of radendos. shows how much evidence they really have.

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the pipeline is so real

MAGA son or endo system daughter

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cat videos as part 2 to help u feel better. or at least make u go :D bc syscourse is secondary. ur health and happiness always comes first

Im not gonna answer anymore syscourse stuff cuz we’re physically unwell rn and its not helping much

Just know that we genuinely didn’t know about xenoids until we googled it, and to my knowledge, they were reclaimed back. Not gonna be arguing about this because it’s not something I am not familiar with nor do I wanna get into it.

also to the person who sent me the ask, I will most likely answer it, but if I cant due to mental health reasons then I apologize in advance. I just want you to know that Im not the judge, whatever i say in response is just my take on it and i understand that many will have different opinions on system as a term. I will try to answer but if I can’t then sorry about that /gen /nm 😓

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Im confused on something so pls have a poll

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Wait whats up with endo-safe-block-list? <- doesnt keep up with sysblr drama

They’re anti-willogenic, sending people to attack anyone who posts pro-willo / tulpa content, check out our post on @endo-friendly-blocklist for more info on why!

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the anti endo gave up trying to be anti willo lmaooo

I LAUGHED

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ok actually i read a little more and i think u misunderstood my xenoids comment

transphobic trans people, most often calling themselves transmedicalists / transmeds, created a label called "xenoids", or "xenoidentities". they were meant to replace xenogenders, but in a way that didn't relate to gender.

this was because they see gender as a binary thing, and they see nonbinary people (or any trans person) who uses xenogender labels as a mockery of their experience, but some wanted to either reclaim the label in an "anti xenogender" way, or give the xenogender people some words to describe themselves without calling it a gender, because they're "identity" labels.

in the end, it's basically the exact same as a xenogender, except you just call it an "identity" because it's TOTALLY different than gender. even though gender is often a huge part and intertwined with one's identity and personality, and separating a gender-related identity experience from a "non-gender" identity experience might be near impossible for some. and half the "xenoids" were just recoined and more boring xenogenders

they also tried to make the concept of "nicknouns" to replace neopronouns??? so.

Ever since I made that post about the whole bullying thing on endos, my whole view of that side of the community has changed drastically.

No, I am still anti endo, but this time its just simply because of the scientific fact that you can’t be a system without trauma. HOWEVER, I understand that plurality is often interpreted differently, and I feel like part of the reason why theres so much discourse on this topic is because pro endos don’t have the language to express what they are actually trying to say.

Plurality in general, isn’t the same as DID/OSDD. In fact, it operates differently, theres often different ways it can happen, and I feel like people are just not using the right terminology to describe it.

Take tulpamancy for an example. Originally, tulpamancy is a Buddhist practice done to create a tulpa, which is a type of manmade spirit similar to an egregore or a servitor. Their main purpose is to aid the person who created them. They don’t exist in the mind, they exist outside of the mind as a manmade spirit.

But the pro endo/non traumagenic community misunderstood this practice and turned it into something completely different. While I understand why, this is a form of cultural appropriation, and a use of closed practices that are not meant to be done by non-Buddhists.

Its time that we really start making CDDs and general plurality more distinct. We need new terms, definitions, and concepts, ones that both communities can agree on. If pro endos are struggling to find the words, then we help them find those words. We don’t scream at them because of their differences, we encourage them to respect CDD systems and use the proper terminology.

And if you think it’s not possible then you are wrong. The community can exist without being ableist or misinformed about certain things. Just look at the Polymind community, they have similar concepts to non traumagenic plurality, but they don’t invade CDD spaces or are ableist towards CDD systems. It can be done, you just need to unlearn and relearn and rethink the choices and actions you make that could hurt CDD systems.

I have no problem with people digging into non traumagenic plurality and trying to make sense of how it even works. My problem is when you use it against CDD systems, steal our terms, and then act ableist towards us and call US the ableists or sysmeds for trying to defend our disorder.

This includes rebranding the origin terms. The term endogenic was created as an act of ableism. And having all origin names end so similarly makes it difficult to be distinct because it makes outsiders and singlets assume we are one community when we are not. They will assume that a traumagenic person is in the same community as a willowgenic person, simply because of how closely similar many of our origin terms are.

Non traumagenics need to be more distinct, because otherwise the impact you cause will unfortunately lead more and more medical professionals to not take CDDs seriously. It will lead to stigmatizing of both communities, which will lead more of us to just have no choice but to fight each other because we are told that thats the only option when it is clearly not.

Pro endos, endos, willows, tulpas, and other origins of non traumagenic plurality, DO BETTER. You have so many creative people, coiners, artists, nerds (/pos), people who are capable of inventing new ideas and terms that can improve your community. I have seen the coiner and artist blogs and they’re honestly great, you guys make up the bigger portion of the whole system side of the tumblr community. Your actions greatly impact CDDs because of how closely linked we are at the moment. Please don’t forget that.

I don’t like to hate on people or communities, I really don’t. I always prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt and second chances. I want you guys to do better.

If you need or want to use new terms, you can ask us on @amity-creates and we can help coin a new term for you. Or ask a pro endo blog if thats more comfortable for you.

As for our stance, we are and will mostly stay anti endo, but our blog is a safe space for everyone. If you see any of our old posts, don’t mind them, they’re our old opinions and whatnot, some of which we still hold to this day, we are just less ignorant about it. I highly doubt our stance will actually change anytime soon, especially since research is slow and there is still a lot that I highly disagree on that pro endos agree with, but we’re not going to be ignorant about it. Yes, we will start using the #endo safe tag from now on, except on posts where we are discussing anti endo views or specific CDD stuff.

Again, if this bothers you, then you can block us. Im not afraid of being harassed by radical anti endos anymore, I have the right to have my opinions, even if they are nuanced.

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"i take you seriously, i just think if we're associated, other people won't take MY problems as seriously! and the doctors will fakeclaim me because of you! and you're not the same as me, you need different words and i see you as taking from my community and that's bad! but i take you seriously tho trust me"

garfield.

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that's a lot of writing not reading it all.

you're blaming other systems for the ableism that doctors may or may not have towards you.

you wouldn't blame nonbinary and xenogendered folk for transphobic doctors going "well what if you're just a delusional catgender lgbtxyz?" and using those xenogender and nonbinary identities as a reason to not take you seriously. would you?

my point is the same thing. endogenic systems are not the problem, ableist doctors are. your insistence on labeling peoples experiences because you think you're somehow so so so different and they can't possibly call themselves a system too. using "but the doctors will call me fake bc you exist!" is silly and my point was that it's silly.

especially bc multiplicity in general (plurality/systemhood/multiplicity/whatever) is full of messy experiences that won't neatly fit into boxes that you are happy with

Ever since I made that post about the whole bullying thing on endos, my whole view of that side of the community has changed drastically.

No, I am still anti endo, but this time its just simply because of the scientific fact that you can’t be a system without trauma. HOWEVER, I understand that plurality is often interpreted differently, and I feel like part of the reason why theres so much discourse on this topic is because pro endos don’t have the language to express what they are actually trying to say.

Plurality in general, isn’t the same as DID/OSDD. In fact, it operates differently, theres often different ways it can happen, and I feel like people are just not using the right terminology to describe it.

Take tulpamancy for an example. Originally, tulpamancy is a Buddhist practice done to create a tulpa, which is a type of manmade spirit similar to an egregore or a servitor. Their main purpose is to aid the person who created them. They don’t exist in the mind, they exist outside of the mind as a manmade spirit.

But the pro endo/non traumagenic community misunderstood this practice and turned it into something completely different. While I understand why, this is a form of cultural appropriation, and a use of closed practices that are not meant to be done by non-Buddhists.

Its time that we really start making CDDs and general plurality more distinct. We need new terms, definitions, and concepts, ones that both communities can agree on. If pro endos are struggling to find the words, then we help them find those words. We don’t scream at them because of their differences, we encourage them to respect CDD systems and use the proper terminology.

And if you think it’s not possible then you are wrong. The community can exist without being ableist or misinformed about certain things. Just look at the Polymind community, they have similar concepts to non traumagenic plurality, but they don’t invade CDD spaces or are ableist towards CDD systems. It can be done, you just need to unlearn and relearn and rethink the choices and actions you make that could hurt CDD systems.

I have no problem with people digging into non traumagenic plurality and trying to make sense of how it even works. My problem is when you use it against CDD systems, steal our terms, and then act ableist towards us and call US the ableists or sysmeds for trying to defend our disorder.

This includes rebranding the origin terms. The term endogenic was created as an act of ableism. And having all origin names end so similarly makes it difficult to be distinct because it makes outsiders and singlets assume we are one community when we are not. They will assume that a traumagenic person is in the same community as a willowgenic person, simply because of how closely similar many of our origin terms are.

Non traumagenics need to be more distinct, because otherwise the impact you cause will unfortunately lead more and more medical professionals to not take CDDs seriously. It will lead to stigmatizing of both communities, which will lead more of us to just have no choice but to fight each other because we are told that thats the only option when it is clearly not.

Pro endos, endos, willows, tulpas, and other origins of non traumagenic plurality, DO BETTER. You have so many creative people, coiners, artists, nerds (/pos), people who are capable of inventing new ideas and terms that can improve your community. I have seen the coiner and artist blogs and they’re honestly great, you guys make up the bigger portion of the whole system side of the tumblr community. Your actions greatly impact CDDs because of how closely linked we are at the moment. Please don’t forget that.

I don’t like to hate on people or communities, I really don’t. I always prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt and second chances. I want you guys to do better.

If you need or want to use new terms, you can ask us on @amity-creates and we can help coin a new term for you. Or ask a pro endo blog if thats more comfortable for you.

As for our stance, we are and will mostly stay anti endo, but our blog is a safe space for everyone. If you see any of our old posts, don’t mind them, they’re our old opinions and whatnot, some of which we still hold to this day, we are just less ignorant about it. I highly doubt our stance will actually change anytime soon, especially since research is slow and there is still a lot that I highly disagree on that pro endos agree with, but we’re not going to be ignorant about it. Yes, we will start using the #endo safe tag from now on, except on posts where we are discussing anti endo views or specific CDD stuff.

Again, if this bothers you, then you can block us. Im not afraid of being harassed by radical anti endos anymore, I have the right to have my opinions, even if they are nuanced.

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saying that endos are inherently going to make professionals not take you seriously makes me believe you don't take endos seriously.

which makes you offering to give endos better names feel like you're trying to control others and separate the "fakers" from the Real Systems, not helping fellow people. feels the same as those coining "xenoids" to push out nonbinary people with xenogenders.

Ever since I made that post about the whole bullying thing on endos, my whole view of that side of the community has changed drastically.

No, I am still anti endo, but this time its just simply because of the scientific fact that you can’t be a system without trauma. HOWEVER, I understand that plurality is often interpreted differently, and I feel like part of the reason why theres so much discourse on this topic is because pro endos don’t have the language to express what they are actually trying to say.

Plurality in general, isn’t the same as DID/OSDD. In fact, it operates differently, theres often different ways it can happen, and I feel like people are just not using the right terminology to describe it.

Take tulpamancy for an example. Originally, tulpamancy is a Buddhist practice done to create a tulpa, which is a type of manmade spirit similar to an egregore or a servitor. Their main purpose is to aid the person who created them. They don’t exist in the mind, they exist outside of the mind as a manmade spirit.

But the pro endo/non traumagenic community misunderstood this practice and turned it into something completely different. While I understand why, this is a form of cultural appropriation, and a use of closed practices that are not meant to be done by non-Buddhists.

Its time that we really start making CDDs and general plurality more distinct. We need new terms, definitions, and concepts, ones that both communities can agree on. If pro endos are struggling to find the words, then we help them find those words. We don’t scream at them because of their differences, we encourage them to respect CDD systems and use the proper terminology.

And if you think it’s not possible then you are wrong. The community can exist without being ableist or misinformed about certain things. Just look at the Polymind community, they have similar concepts to non traumagenic plurality, but they don’t invade CDD spaces or are ableist towards CDD systems. It can be done, you just need to unlearn and relearn and rethink the choices and actions you make that could hurt CDD systems.

I have no problem with people digging into non traumagenic plurality and trying to make sense of how it even works. My problem is when you use it against CDD systems, steal our terms, and then act ableist towards us and call US the ableists or sysmeds for trying to defend our disorder.

This includes rebranding the origin terms. The term endogenic was created as an act of ableism. And having all origin names end so similarly makes it difficult to be distinct because it makes outsiders and singlets assume we are one community when we are not. They will assume that a traumagenic person is in the same community as a willowgenic person, simply because of how closely similar many of our origin terms are.

Non traumagenics need to be more distinct, because otherwise the impact you cause will unfortunately lead more and more medical professionals to not take CDDs seriously. It will lead to stigmatizing of both communities, which will lead more of us to just have no choice but to fight each other because we are told that thats the only option when it is clearly not.

Pro endos, endos, willows, tulpas, and other origins of non traumagenic plurality, DO BETTER. You have so many creative people, coiners, artists, nerds (/pos), people who are capable of inventing new ideas and terms that can improve your community. I have seen the coiner and artist blogs and they’re honestly great, you guys make up the bigger portion of the whole system side of the tumblr community. Your actions greatly impact CDDs because of how closely linked we are at the moment. Please don’t forget that.

I don’t like to hate on people or communities, I really don’t. I always prefer giving people the benefit of the doubt and second chances. I want you guys to do better.

If you need or want to use new terms, you can ask us on @amity-creates and we can help coin a new term for you. Or ask a pro endo blog if thats more comfortable for you.

As for our stance, we are and will mostly stay anti endo, but our blog is a safe space for everyone. If you see any of our old posts, don’t mind them, they’re our old opinions and whatnot, some of which we still hold to this day, we are just less ignorant about it. I highly doubt our stance will actually change anytime soon, especially since research is slow and there is still a lot that I highly disagree on that pro endos agree with, but we’re not going to be ignorant about it. Yes, we will start using the #endo safe tag from now on, except on posts where we are discussing anti endo views or specific CDD stuff.

Again, if this bothers you, then you can block us. Im not afraid of being harassed by radical anti endos anymore, I have the right to have my opinions, even if they are nuanced.

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If you claim to be a queer advocate and to speak for queer people, you need to speak to queer people and acknowledge your internalized bigotry :/

Like idk every queer person I’ve talked to disagrees with you on the whole being gay is a choice thing. Maybe look inwards :/

I love the assumptions that I don’t speak to queer people or acknowledge my internalized queerphobia, things I do incredibly publicly and constantly. Did you know I run the GSAN at my school? Did you know I’m openly a queer person at school, fighting against discrimination? I (thankfully on the sidelines) went through a fucking lawsuit for Title 9 issues that occurred.

And all you’re doing is sending me asks on tumblr that my personal identity which I do not apply to anyone else is wrong. You are genuinely, literally, no better than any other bigoted homophobe out there — because my identity isn’t fucking queerphobic. It’s JUST ME.

But I’ll put my money where my mouth is (unlike you, who is STILL hiding behind an anon, even after MONTHS of being shown that I’m not changing my identity for some dick who’s been harassing me).

This is going in a bunch of the queer tags.

SCENARIO: A person who was traumatized severely, to the degree of forming multiple identities to cope with the trauma, has been hard at work in recovery for over three years. In the course of this time, they’ve realized they feel like an individual who can “choose” their gender and sexuality any given day, due to being able to choose which identity they are. It’s not quite the same as being genderfluid, in their eyes — because they’re not one person, but many. By viewing their gender and sexuality this way, they feel much happier and far more connected to themself; it aids their recovery process.

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Plural Shoutouts.ᐟ.ᐟ

Shout out to: ☆Traumagenic plurality ☆Tulpamancy plurality ☆Wilogenic plurality ☆Parogenic plurality ☆Narrogenic plurality ☆Imagian plurality ☆Imaginagenic plurality ☆Adaptive plurality ☆Spontaneous plurality ☆Unknown origins plurality ☆Created plurality ☆Agenic plurality ☆Endogenic plurality ☆Quoigenic plurality ☆Cryptogenic plurality And anymore we missed! Shout out also to: ☆Plurals who have huge headspaces ☆Plurals who have endless headspaces ☆Plurals who have medium sized headspaces ☆Plurals who have small headspaces ☆Plurals who don't have a headspace ☆Plurals who have nothing in headspace ☆Plurals who have many things in headspace ☆Plurals who aren't sure if they have a headspace ☆Plurals who are currently making a headspace And anymore we missed! Shout out also to: ☆Mostly nonhuman members ☆Every member is nonhuman ☆Mostly human members ☆Every member is human ☆Half and half ☆Unsure headcount ☆Low headcount ☆High headcount ☆Medium headcount ☆Empty heads And anymore we missed! Shout out also to: ☆Plurals who hate being plural ☆Plurals who love being plural ☆Plurals who hate being plural some days while others love being plural ☆Plurals who hate & love being plural ☆Plurals who don't have an opinion yet on their plurality ☆Plurals who dislike being plural ☆Plurals who like being plural ☆Plurals who dislike being plural some days while others like being plural ☆Plurals who dislike & like being plural And all in between! Shout out to: ☆Newly formed plurals ☆Plurals who just found out about their plurality ☆Plurals who found out weeks ago ☆Plurals who found out days ago ☆Plurals who found out months ago ☆Plurals who found out years ago And many, many more. All types of plurality are valid.

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since apparently this is controversial

I LOVE YOU WILLO SYSTEMS !!!

willogenic, traumawillo, endowillo, you name it !!!

created systems are valid ^_^