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Jiang Cheng makes me so sick. What do you mean his entire home was burnt down to the ground. What do you mean he had to rebuild it piece by piece with his own hands because his parents died to save him and his brother. What do you mean he had to watch as his whole family died one by one. What do you mean he had to raise his nephew alone while also juggling trauma and a whole sect to run. What do you mean he has haters who will absolutely ruin his character and write him up as someone who is JUST angry and hateful to Wei Wuxian and everyone who’s just unfortunate enough to be at the receiving end of it

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Daily reminder of : Fuck Madam Yu because she is a child abuser of her own as well as an orphan. No amount of "she loved her kids" changes that she also abused her own children verbally (while physically abusing previously mentioned orphan). Whatever love she had wasn't to the benefit or safety of Jiang Cheng and never was because she was selfish and despised that people didn't like her shit attitude.

She had very little in the way of being oppressed and was given plenty of versatility by Jiang Fengmian while she insulted him, called into question his fidelity, Jiang Cheng's heritage and treated Wei Wuxian as the problem.

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"au where jiang cheng helped the wen remnants" "prompt: jiang cheng never hurt demonic cultivators but was saving them" "au where jiang cheng is good with women and has fifty enthusiastic suitors" "au where jiang cheng invents demonic cultivation" just stan a different character

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I can't even believe I have to say "Don't use Found Family" as an argument for Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian" and I have people literally going "but family can be abusive".

Apples and oranges that aren't relevant to me saying "Stop doing this thing or insisting it's a thing when it's not because they don't see each other as a healthy family dynamic".

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The uwufication of WWX when this man canonically had a woman eat a table leg makes me mad as hell. This fandom was sold to me as a “repressed guy falls for demonic cultivator” story. Why do I have to navigate fandom acting like WWX is this adorable can do no wrong twink. He’s ruthless when pushed and that’s the hottest part of it!! That’s the hottest part of every character! The good guys committed war crimes (and looked super hot doing it). Can we remember some of these on occasion? For sexy purposes if yall do not care about characterization?

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What even is that take....

bro it's a book, a life story of someone being told, IT IS A BOOK IT IS WRITING

Unpopular opinion but MXTX writing often leans to a lot of telling than showing

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Jiang Cheng isn't a dog lover. He only got a dog from his dad because he was a friendless kid who couldn't be friend with other.

He didn't give a fuck about dog once he had a new to... I mean a new playmate to play with.

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Found an actual ‘umm JC and WWX are the same people why do people hate JC’ post in the canon Jiang Cheng tag with supposed examples.

I wooshed it away immediately and then thought, hey since they supposedly added points, I can refute them back. They’re openly asking why after all.

Went in the canon tag to find it again.

TWENTY separate spam blogs in the tag.

And I’m thinking how that post had people talking in the comments about how JC haters were weird and stupid haters.

And y’all nothing beats JC stans making spam blogs for almost a year now because they couldn’t handle people quoting the canon actions of a fictional character.

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Me, thriving, being known as one of those rabid Wei Wuxian/Wangxian only people

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People need to stop using "I think Jiang Cheng thought of Wei Wuxian as a brother though" as an excuse to dismiss the abuse he did enact on Wei Wuxian. Especially because no, he did not ever think of Wei Wuxian as a brother. You do not abandon someone as easily as he did if you think of them exactly as family. You do not hold a supposed "shared" family over another's head as a guilt trip to deny your own wrongdoing and failures and demand reparations that are not owed to you.

It's as simple as he never thought of Wei Wuxian as a brother especially when the text of the novel goes out of it's way to prove that was a another unfortunate lie that came about to slander Wei Wuxian.

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Anyone who thinks calling out Yu Ziyuan for being a piece of shit mom and an abusive person is misogynistic, is a fucking dumbass who is a big reason why children of abuse don't fucking trust y'all, tf do you mean you watched her whip a teenager for existing and think no she's just a a baddass lady who loves her husband and kids, kids she ain't even raise, fuck right off, like fuck do you mean me calling out a woman who abused the living shit out of a child misogyny now????

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Daily reminder of : Fuck Madam Yu because she is a child abuser of her own as well as an orphan. No amount of "she loved her kids" changes that she also abused her own children verbally (while physically abusing previously mentioned orphan). Whatever love she had wasn't to the benefit or safety of Jiang Cheng and never was because she was selfish and despised that people didn't like her shit attitude.

She had very little in the way of being oppressed and was given plenty of versatility by Jiang Fengmian while she insulted him, called into question his fidelity, Jiang Cheng's heritage and treated Wei Wuxian as the problem.

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No matter how good and amazing a novel is, once I found out how shitty and vile the author was, the quality of the novel already decreased by half due to the hypocrisy and fakeness.

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honestly I have come to the conclusion that half the mdzs fandom probably never read the novel, bcs how the hell do you read it from wwx pov and it starting with his resurrection just to end up a jc or jgy stan, I refuse to believe they read it and have zero comprehension I REFUSE

Jiang Cheng is the picture of “I knew from the moment I met you that I’d spend a lifetime forgiving you.”

Like—start with the dogs. The only gift his father ever gave him, and Jiang Cheng gave them away. Why? Because Wei Wuxian was scared of them. That’s it. No resistance. No conflict. Just: oh, you’re afraid? They’re gone.

That is the blueprint. That is the foundational dynamic. That is the relationship.

His father resents him, prefers his shixiong. His mother tears him down for not being his shixiong. His sister, bless her, loves both of them—but it’s Wei Wuxian who gets the hand on the shoulder, the soft words, the shared wine. And yet. Jiang Cheng never once chooses bitterness over devotion.

He loves him. That’s the tragedy. That’s the rot. Because he never stops.

Wei Wuxian gets dragged into the Burial Mounds and comes back fundamentally altered, and Jiang Cheng still believes in him. Still gives him room to return. Still duels him instead of executing him outright, still spares him even when the sect is watching. Still tells Jin Ling to be kind to him. Still keeps Chenqing in perfect condition, like a grave he refuses to let crumble. Even when Wei Wuxian’s choices leave him hollowed out. Even when all he has left is silence. He still carries him.

And the thing is—Jiang Cheng’s sacrifices are quiet. He never says them. But we know. We know that when he was captured by the Wens, he let himself be caught. On purpose. Because if he didn’t distract them, Wei Wuxian would’ve died.

We know that when Wei Wuxian said, “I can fix this,” Jiang Cheng believed him with his whole heart. And when Wei Wuxian smiled that soft, golden smile, and said “Don’t worry,” Jiang Cheng didn’t. Because when your entire world is falling apart, and your brilliant, impossible shixiong tells you he has a plan—you believe him. That’s what love is.

And when he disappeared? When he died?

Jiang Cheng never believed it.

He said there was no proof. But it always read like something else to me. Like: “I’d know if he was gone. I’d feel it. He’s part of me. I would know.”

This man spent years believing he murdered the person he loved most in the world. And he still couldn’t bring himself to throw the flute away.

Tell me that’s not love. Tell me that’s not the worst kind. The kind that doesn’t die even when it should.

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Been following your blog for a while & thanks to you I've been able to understand the mdzs storyline on a deeper level. However I wanted to ask since wwx & lwj share the same moral compass of righteousness, when wwx went to save the wen remnants why didn't lwj go with him? Has it something to do with his sect? Because going to save the wen remnants with wwx would mean he'll make himself the the enemy of the cultivation world like wwx did & the lan sect will be targeted by the cultivation world?

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Simply put, while Wei Wuxian may have respected him, he did not expect anything of Lan Wangji. There is a certain level of proprietary that kept them distant. They weren't seen as friends. Especially when their interactions consisted of instances such as this:

Lan WangJi looked at him, as though he could tell at once that he didn’t take it seriously. He took in deep breath, “Wei Ying.”

He continued stubbornly, “The ghost path harms the body and the heart.”

Wei WuXian seemed as if his head began to hurt, “Lan Zhan, you… I’ve heard more than enough of these words that you say, and you still feel that you haven’t said them enough?

You say that it harms the body, but I’m fine right now. You say that it harms the heart, but I haven’t become that frenzied, have I?”

Lan WangJi, “It is not too late yet. In the future, even if you regret…”

Without waiting for him to finish talking, Wei WuXian’s expression changed. He suddenly stood up, “Lan Zhan!”

Behind him, red light had begun to glow within the eyes of the girls. Wei WuXian, “Stop it.”

For Wei Wuxian he fully did believe Lan Wangji saw him as lesser, their most significant interactions before this were Lan Wangji implying Wei Wuxian was a terrible person who shallowly flirted and was careless with his words,implying that Wei Wuxian had drifted from his morals (or worse never had any) as a person during their confrontation at the Qishan Wen Outpost and was a danger to others and himself. The danger was never what Wei Wuxian would do, but what he could do for it to be manipulated and twisted to make Wei Wuxian a villain the world desperately wanted every turn of generations.

Lan Wangji did not do anything to dissuade this idea for Wei Wuxian. His proprietary lead to his hesitation to speak with Wei Wuxian deeply. Lan Wangji also believed that Wei Wuxian disliked him due to his lack of being able to fully address their misunderstandings with each other. He had been the cause for Wei Wuxian to raise his defenses around Lan Wangji just as Lan Wangji had done to him when they were fifteen years old.

Even if Lan Wangji followed him, unfortunately, so what. The world already saw Wei Wuxian as a problem, no matter who was by his side, it would make no difference, when those in power wanted him on a leash for their use like a dog waiting orders. Anyone by his side was just another target for the cultivation world to besmirch and it was only a matter of time for something to occur. If Lan Wangji somehow chose to stay within Burial Mounds it would have been nothing more than further fodder for the jianghu to insist Wei Wuxian was stealing cultivators to make his own sect.

There is also hypocrisy there as we are shown others pursuing the idea of their own sects and founding them, but Wei Wuxian had a lot of power with the Yin Hufu at his disposal that the jianghu didn't like. Even when Lan Wangji did stand by Wei Wuxian's side, his own brother continued to see Wei Wuxian at fault for seemingly leading Lan Wangji on. And thirteen years later Lan Wangji's own clan insist that Wei Wuxian must have enchanted Lan Wangji with some kind of evils. The tragedy is that the Jianghu would have always hurt the Wens, there is nothing in their world that could have fully protected them because the world didn't want to.

Lan Wangji believed he was not wanted or welcomed, and to a certain extent he was not until Wei Wuxian was resurrected. Lan Wangji had to face his regrets and move on. It is why he was able to stand by Wei Wuxian once more fully. It was on Lan Wangji to patiently stay by Wei Wuxian's side while actually supporting him to earn trust that had been lost, very stubbornly like Wei Wuxian did when they first met. He had the time to mature and become an adult. As an adult he does listen to Wei Wuxian, he provides input on their plans together, they work coherently and naturally together once they're both able to drop their walls built up for years in the safety of realizing they can be friends as they both originally wanted to.

There has to be care in the words and actions said and done to those you love. As Jiang Fengmian said:

"There are some things that can’t be said even if you’re angry"

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A thought I had, (this isn't a fully thought out meta, just an impression of sorts.)

Something about Wei Wuxian's inherited vengeance.

Where did Wei Wuxian get that vengeance from? Mild-mannered Jiang Fengmian? Benevolent and kind Jiang Yanli? Cangse Sanren, who Wei Wuxian remembers saying something along the lines of remember the good things people do for you not the bad? Wei Changze?

The child of Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze would've likely done something along the lines of protecting the common people and fighting for justice during the Sunshot campaign, but did Wei Wuxian do that?

No, I tell you truly, Wei Wuxian is also the child of Yu Ziyuan. Did they have anything resembling a healthy relationship? No. But the child of Cangse Sanren and Wei Changze wouldn't slaughter thousands in unholy vengeance. Wouldn't extract oceans of blood for every drop stolen.

But the child of Yu Ziyuan would.

That isn't to say, he's only the child of Yu Ziyuan, no, we see glimpses of the influences of his other parental figures throughout the story.

Look at how he doesn't flinch from leaving the proverbial (paradise) mountain to save the wen remnants (CSSR), look at his compassion for the common people (Jiang Yanli); His sense of loyalty (Wei Changze), level headedness (Jiang Fengmian).

Something about how conscious he is of debt. Does that stem from his inherent preference of righteous action? His desire to do right? Yes. But I wouldn't discount his awareness of debt also coming from a quasi-maternal figure like Yu Ziyuan. Now there is a woman aware of debt, what she owes and what is owed to her.

Everyone is shaped by the adult figures in their life, and we inherit many things from them, such as traumas, perspectives and traits.

I posit Wei Wuxian is no different. But, just like Wei Wuxian, we aren't defined by our parental figures.

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It is very unpleasant how MXTX fandom is very determined to make all the actions of the leads, especially the ones they make in times of trauma or danger, come from the one who abused them before. Whether it’s claiming that YZY gave WWX his ability to take revenge, that SJ did anything for LBH that made him stronger, or that the ways FQ and MQ mistreated XL were actually justified because they made him better, it all boils down to claiming that the things they were hurt by ended up being justified because their actions later on were shaped by the treatment they got.

I don’t doubt that a lot of people who make these claims have never considered what they are actually saying, and what perhaps it says about them that they think this way, but it certainly is very upsetting to see so many takes that boil down to “well the abuse was okay because the hero took something from it in the end.”

Hi my dearest Sangsang!

There most definitely is this stubborn romanticism regarding abusive characters and downplaying their actions that are very much considered horrifying in the eyes of others.

1: Shen Jiu and his first interaction with Luo Binghe through the eyes of Shen Yuan.

2: Lan Sizhui and Lan Wangji when they liken the nameless servant to Wei Wuxian's time with Yunmeng Jiang

3: Hua Cheng and staying by Xie Lian's side when he is venting his own frustrations after centuries of being terrified of showing this to supposed friends and them leaving.

In spite of cruelty they faced, these three remain consistent in wanting to believe in the good in the world, Luo Binghe is DESPERATE to be saved from falling into cruelty as others want him to and expect of him. Wei Wuxian dies to destroy the power the clans want after they continue to refuse humanity on the Wens that no longer have a thing. Xie Lian screams at Jun Wu that he will hot change his kindness because Jun Wu sees that as useless. These men are not idiots when it comes to cruelty, they understand how people become that way.

Original Luo Binghe became his Shizun's student just as Shen Yuan's Luo Binghe as a grim reminder of this exact rhetoric fandom loves to espouse. It did not leave him stronger or better. It left him a dad, paranoid, power hungry, oppressive man. Fandom can say what they want about being critical of MXTX, but her thematics are not in praise of calling abusers strong when they continue those cycles.

I think fandom forms very parasocial bonds with these characters due to personal reason, but whatever personal reason they may have, does not change the fact the textual evidence is not there to support a softer and kinder reading for them. Accountability is an important theme within these novels from MXTX and excusing selfish cruelty is not what's being said. Cruelty doesn't make someone stronger. It's kindness, and refusing to give up that compassion, and admiring that in others as well is vastly more wonderful than whatever jaded excuse to stay cruel is or whatever excuses fandom concocts for the blatantly cruel characters.