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Check it out for some solid podcast content intended to help you grow in your conversations about abortion!

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We started a new podcast called The Pro-Life Guys. Check it out on your podcast app or at https://prolifeguys.com! This episode includes tons of stories from Jonathon Van Maren from his years in the movement!!

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Ab0rtion ends a human life. It’s time to end the killing.

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Now is not the time to keep quiet.

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“A fetus doesn’t have consent to use a woman’s body against her will!”

A fetus can’t ask for consent at all...just like a newborn baby can’t ask for consent. How the hell is that supposed to work? Is an egg supposed to float up to a woman’s brain and ask if it’s okay to accept sperm before going through with the whole reproduction thing? Do y’all think babies just slide right in and cackle evilly while rubbing their hands together like the disgusting little misogynists they are?

Stop making babies who had no choice in the matter of their creation sound like rapists just because you don’t want to be pregnant. It’s not cute.

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“Fetus” is an age indicator (in the exact same way as embryo, toddler, and teenager), not a species indicator. Every mammal goes through the fetal stage at some point, so we need to ask, what kind of fetus is it? A human fetus. 

During this pandemic, we’ve seen great acts of kindness rooted in the basic understanding that all human life has value. Abortion is the opposite of that - callously discarding young children like trash.

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Whose body is targeted in an abortion? Are human rights for ALL human beings, or only for some? 

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In Canada, babies are also born alive and left to die. 

In Canada, a baby is not legally a person until it has "completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother." You asked pro-choicers to explain how it isn't murder. Well, there you go. The law doesn't view a fetus as a person, and murder is the killing of a person. I think it makes sense that it's only a person if it survives outside of the womb. There's a reason we have "birth certificates" not "conception certificates," after all.

So because the government declares someone to not be a person, they aren’t a person?

That’s terrifying. I really hope you don’t actually believe the government gets to determine whether a human being is a person. 

I mean that’s how you get legalized and institutionalized slavery.

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The term “fetus” or “embryo” tells us nothing about what species something is (there are dog fetuses, dolphin fetuses, elephant fetuses, etc.) - it only tells us how old they are. “Fetus” is an indication of age, nothing else. 

Sorry not sorry.

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Okay. Let's get to the same level as you, and asume that a bundle of cell is human. It goes back to one crucial belief: can you force a human adult to give a kidney to another? Can you force a human adult to medically or financially risk their life, for many years, for another? Can a governement do that? If not, why should they do that for a baby?

Hi! I appreciate your effort to make that assumption for the sake of dialogue. 

Pregnancy is not comparable to kidney donation or a stranger asking someone else to risk their life for them.

The following things make pregnancy unique:

- The child is completely vulnerable and has no means of communicating needs, much less filling them on their own.

- The child is completely dependent on one person, their mother, and under current medical capabilities cannot be transferred to the care of someone who is more willing. 

- The vast majority of pregnancies pose no serious or long-term harm to the mother, and those that do have complications can be managed with good medical care. 

- The process of removing the child through abortion involves killing that child directly. It is not comparable to saying no to someone’s request for an organ donation, because that person can go ask someone else or look for alternative treatments, even artificial organs in some cases. The child can’t do that. 

Let me put it another way. There are many starving children in the world. Every so often we see ads on TV for charities that help them asking for one-time or monthly donations. If I do not donate, for whatever reason, nobody is going to come and arrest me for neglecting those children. Does that mean those children don’t have a right to life or aren’t valuable? No, it just means I am not directly responsible for them. It would be good for me to donate, but I am not legally required to.

If a parent refuses to feed their own child, we call that neglect. The difference is that the parent is directly responsible for the child’s well being and is expected to care for their physical and emotional needs.

In pregnancy, not only is the mother directly responsible for the child’s well being, but is the ONLY person who can care for the child. We can support her and make sure she has what she needs, but only she can provide nutrition and shelter for her child. 

Once the child is born, she can place the child with another family or receive support in raising her child. She can now safely transfer her responsibility to someone else. But someone has to have responsibility for the child until the child is an adult and can care for themselves. And if the person responsible for that child neglects or harms them, they can be held responsible.

In abortion, the mother isn’t simply refusing to donate an organ or donate money to a charity. She isn’t refusing to adopt a child who needs a home. In abortion, the child is in her uterus, alive, growing, receiving what they need from their mother. An abortionist then either gives the mother a pill that cuts the child off from their supply of food and oxygen or goes in with instruments and removes the child, often piece by piece. 

If someone asks me to donate a kidney and I refuse, I don’t then go and pay someone to kill that person.