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Y'all: Behaviorism is outdated and doesn't work

Also y'all: I accidentally Pavlovian-conditioned myself into [x] lol

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"Autism makes absolutely nothing painful... It causes people to act like they’re in pain." Oh, wow. You are, actually, literally, a sociopath. I do not mean that as an insult. No, I don't just act like in pain because I think I am. I act like I am in pain because I am in pain. I am a person. I feel pain, I do not just mimic its effects. I think I will give up here. The scope of your mental illness goes far beyond what I am equipped to handle. Please consider getting help.

Nice name-calling here. Anyway, can you point me to the damaged body part or malfunctioning nerve responsible for that pain?

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"I mean, if you’re okay with kids getting bullied, no problem, I guess." - That seems victim blame-y, but okay.

Why do you exactly think bullying happens? Bullies aren’t those evil people who pick on a completely random person. Life isn’t a cartoon.

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Pain happens in the brain. Sensory stimuli > PNS > CNS, where it is processed in the *brain* as *pain*. Brain lesions of the ACC and the insula change how patients experience pain. Sometimes eliminate it. Stop spouting bullshit.

Well no fucking shit.

Unfortunately, there are obvious ethical issues with directly altering the brain to affect how patients experience pain. Hence the usefulness of a therapy that, for hopefully the last fucking time, has been scientifically proven to be useful for treating sensory processing issues.

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"You know exactly how middle school is, don’t you?" Yes. You again fail to address the primary concern - if HE doesn't mind "look[ing] weird" then it's not your or anybody else's place to decide it's a problem for him. It could be that he's distressed by his isolation, but I only have your word for it, and what establishes your credibility here? Also, your emphasis on "makes him look weird" again undercuts your insistence that ABA isn't about forcing autistics to act neurotypical.

I mean, if you’re okay with kids getting bullied, no problem, I guess.

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"But of course, there might come a time when none of those are available and the person has to wear clothes with seams" - Why on earth would THAT happen? There's enough of a market for them to exist, clearly, and there's no reason to outlaw them. Sure it theoretically COULD happen, but "could" isn't the same thing as "likely to". Doesn't it make more sense to focus on more pressing concerns?

- I’m not talking about commercial availability

- I’m also not just talking about seams, it could also be food. If you can’t eat, say, beans because of the texture, you’ll be in huge trouble once that’s all you can afford. In fact, I've seen literally this happen to lots of people.

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you keep not interacting w the thing I've said at least three times now that you're acting in a way that's creepy af, w the (failed) attempts at guessing who your anons are. and I get that making ppl feel unsafe is a big part of ABA but ppl on tumblr aren't you're patients, you can't give therapy (or diagnoses for that matter) to strangers over the internet, and I rly hope you aren't going to charge anyone for this bc you aren't entertaining enough to b worth the cost of a free ticket

The second attempt was successful, and I had what I thought was reasonable evidence for the first. I also don’t see how that’s creepy? I’m trying to pin an identity onto those anons, isn’t that a good thing?

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Right, but you were arguing that ABA involving forceful stimulus without consent is necessary in the case of 'kind of weird' behavior. Besides which, even with preparing someone to deal with uncomfortable stimulus they can't avoid, working out coping methods works a lot better than 'if you don't bother anyone else by acting like you're in pain you won't be in pain!'

Not “kind of weird”, actively harming the patient’s social development. Humans are social animals. Seamless clothes don’t carry much in the way of social stigma as far as I know?

But of course, there might come a time when none of those are available and the person has to wear clothes with seams, at which point what are they going to do?

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Also, like, the brain is part of the body. You're right that CBT can be used to help rewire the brain to an extent, but CBT is about a lot more than just not acting like you're distressed. A major part of it is learning what sets off problematic behaviors and how you can avoid that exposure. If you were using CBT for autism, wearing soft and seamless clothes would be a solution for clothing issues far before 'wear uncomfortable clothes anyway', but that's apparently unacceptable to you? Why?

“Soft and seamless clothes” are usually okay because, as it turns out, those are relatively easy to get.

But there will be times where there will be a “bad” sensory stimulus you will not be able to avoid. And you need to be prepared for that situation, because a meltdown sucks for everyone involved.

Which a lot of people on this hellsite don’t seem to understand. I’ve seriously seen people on the actuallyautistic tag go “Oh, I haven’t had a meltdown in a while, I probably should, it helps me vent frustration” or something.

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Uh, do you not know what gaslighting is? What stimmyabby describes isn't unheard of at all.

Are we supposed to believe that:

- This is what’s happening all the time

- Her parents don’t know she’s looking for a job

- She’s stupid enough not to understand what sex work is?

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Such convince. Very argument. Wow.

A submitter wrote in with a couple of relevant citations:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14097-2

An article for FNA. The habituation response in autistic people is physiologically different - the amygdala was found to be different in this study. Autism makes habituation very difficult, if possible.

https://www.sfari.org/funded-project/parameterizing-neural-habituation-in-autism-with-sensory-overresponsivity/

Here’s one on habituation that suggests that traditional exposure therapy (ABA) can often make things worse, using fMRI.

And yes, the consensus among people doing actual neuroscience is (1) autistic brains are genuinely distinct from non-autistic brains (2) ABA makes things worse. But that’s just the scientists. What about autism moms?

(The irony of the autism mom position being taken by someone claiming to object to “antipsychs” is not lost on me.)

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"as he doesn’t understand the problem, sanitary or social, with eating things with his bare hands." First of all the "social" part fails to impress, given your previous insistence that ABA isn't about forcing people to act Neurotypical. As for sanitary - does he not wash his hands before meals? Or does he and you think ALL foods should be eaten with cutlery? Potato Chips? Cookies? Pizza? How do you eat pizza? I eat it with my hands, as does everyone I know. Seriously, walk me through this.

He has issues with remembering to wash his hands, too, so thanks for letting me clarify that. Besides, he’s already got a huge social isolation problem, and yes, doing that kind of stuff in the school cafeteria just makes him look weird. You know exactly how middle school is, don’t you?

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(public, pls) yeah, the "I know who you are, anon" thing doesn't get any less creepy the more you do it

But I thought it was important to know the identities of anons or else you’d get lost and abused or something?

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you care to explain WHY you think stimmyabby is “full of shit”, exactly, or are we just supposed to accept “no this is bullshit because I Said So”

Latest example:

http://stimmyabby.tumblr.com/post/170389027552/stimmyabby-me-why-do-you-tell-me-how

We are supposed to believe that happens all the time. Seriously, what the fuck is she trying to describe her parents as? Supervillains?

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You have been... continuously asserting that autistic patients need to learn to overcome their sensory sensitivities through exposure therapy. Exposure therapy does not work on EDS sensitivities (ignoring the fact that it doesn't work on autism symptoms either, at least you admit it doesn't work on EDS ones and we can agree there). But the majority of very young and/or nonverbal ABA patients will be undiagnosed even if they have EDS. How do you account for this when deciding on exposure therapy?

The majority of them won’t have EDS, and it’s actually pretty easy to informally diagnose most of the remaining ones. By “informally diagnose”, I mean “see there’s an obvious physiological problem and we should be careful with that”.

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As seebs here seems to now think I’m from their Stalking Troll Cult, I’m going to turn this blog into a general-purpose anti-anti-psych blog soon.

Anything from this discussion will be tagged with “#the seebscourse” if you want to blacklist it. I’ll actually do that starting from now.

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Yeah, see this first paragraph? That’s exactly the kind of reasoning that made me bring up the “evil conspiracy” thing. Because you just described your “evil conspiracy” thing. A+ self-awareness there.

“being smug about your continued pattern of misidentifying anons”

They literally called the author of the ask “me on anon” in their quote.

Wait.

I just found out who sensitive-skin-anon is.

You have Ehlers–Danlos syndrome, dumbass. That’s not sensory processing disorder.