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Interesting design choice for the game to be seemingly (based on this image) reusing screencaps from the show and pre-existing merch. And by "interesting" I mean "I wish the team prioritized new art for new merch instead of typically reusing stills from the show". This isn't the first time it's been done, but it seems cheap that for a card came you wouldn't push out any new art to go with those printing and cardstock fees.

Feel like a weird concept for a game considering imp hardly goes to earth to do their job anymore.

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the newest episode was written by lyle rath, who literally just started working for the show. he is a regular page at the youtube channel oney plays. his girlfriend monica has voiced numerous characters in hh/hb. Lyle himself has voiced characters in helluva boss, smiling friends, and the amazing digital circus

By "newest episode" I presume you mean the Mission: Orphantime short. If the shorts are just going to be test runs for new writers, there needs to be a rule detailing "no attempts at lore unless you understand the next step needed in the focused character's development".

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tbh you're right! orphan time is a short that would've fit in alright prior to sinsmas or arguably in s1, but the fact that it came out just 6 months after sinsmas with nothing else in between us just incredibly bad timing.

and it low-key pisses me off more because based on s1, unlike what morgans says outside of the show about homophobia in hell, (which exists even though there's openly gay goetia like vassago and gay goetia couples like we've seen in the circus? bringing that up makes the hellaverse stan in my brain go "well actually 🤓 they're not meant to be gay and you just assumed!!" which. is a really comical thing to think given how many headcanons to fix these shows are just assumptions) or even what the karen client says about her husband spreading his "sinful lifestyle" or whatever... stella isn't homophobic?

in fact she's SO not homophobic that she doesn't even ever mention the gender of the imp stolas cheated on her with. even though the book is the only thing covering his massive peen? in fact in all 2 seasons i don't think she ever has! basically she's racist. which i think would've been a more sympathetic (and CONSISTENT) approach to make me give a shit about the couple they had to kill in sinsmas. why they didn't take that approach even though they DID make one of the men a man of color is beyond me. homophobia is a good way to get sympathy points but irl racism is too far apparently, even though the previous episode (mastermind) was all about standing up to fictional racism in hell?

idk man. i just feel like sinsmas and orphan time combined insult my intelligence of "actually if this client has a situation similar to the MAIN CHARACTER then you should sympathize with them! oh what's that? the client is a man who adopted AN ORPHAN and CARES UNCONDITIONALLY FOR HIS CHILD and knows he's about to DIE so he gives them a send off with a smile? *looks at mastermind where blitz was about to have his head chopped off in front of his adopted orphan daughter and gave her a smile and a "i love you guys :)" before his untimely death* no blitz can't relate to that. and if you think he can then it's not that deep. it's just a silley cartoon :3 BUT IF IT HAS TO DO WITH STOLAS,"

like ysee what i mean? this show doesn't want you to think at all. because it's actively ruined if you do for more than two seconds. it being a goofy hit based show, AND a drama where characters relating to each other being important is now, at total tone whiplashing odds. i already didn't think the show really cared about making sense, but if i ever needed solid proof, THIS is it. it will be everything and nothing all at once and totally deserves all the praise regardless of how much it contrasts with previous episodes. it will care when it TELLS you to care, not when you think to care and have basic critical thinking skills and/or empathy. and you will like it. now shut up and buy our summer loona youtooz figure.

YOU'RE SO RIGHT. stood up when i read "it will care when it tells you to care, not when you think for yourself to care" because that's applicable to so many instances in the show (namely the abuse content).

and i so agree that the show flip-flops on what kind of evil it wants to portray with characters like stella. yeah we see her classism- but instead the show leans into her focusing her anger onto stolas rather than taking it out on imps in any way, and her classism hasn't really reared its head since 'loo loo land' despite the fact that she's worked/working with striker. the writing could so lean into that being her irredeemable quality but instead it does more to make that quality (you know, alongside her general disdain for stolas) come off as homophobia, a cheap reason to expect people to hate what is supposed to be a complex character that has somewhat justifiable anger towards her ex-husband (who, by the way, happens to be gay, so in calling stella homophobic it's driving home the point that we're supposed to hate anyone who hates stolas).

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Yeah... it's a boring day for me. Just picked some random characters that came to mind, tried to stray from ones who are definitely good/bad to trust with your drink.

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I've been seeing a lot of discussion about this after the latest Helluva Boss short, so this is a reminder that the service I.M.P. provides is revenge. Not just morally justified revenge. Not just petty revenge. Revenge, period.

They show this very clearly in the pilot that every last one of us saw, where the demon in the commercial puts a hit out on the mailman that testified against him for murder. Of course, the mailman was so minor (practically nonexistent) that we can't infer whether he was a good or bad person, but that commercial makes it clear that I.M.P. are not supposed to be purveyors of justice.

The only time I.M.P. was shown to not kill "good" people was in Sinsmas, where Blitzø refused to kill the target's ex-husband's new family— and that was only because Blitzø was projecting his own desired happiness onto them, not because 'I.M.P. isn't supposed to kill good people'.

It is solely coincidental that most of the targets I.M.P. has killed so far turned out to be comically bad people who then got sent to hell. Mission: Orphan Time is a bad short, but the one thing it doesn't do is go against the continuity of what I.M.P. represents.

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So apparently in a patreon post Vortex is apart of a band (outside of working with Verosika) which makes me ask, why weren’t the members of said band the first people Loona ends up befriending with Tex introducing them to her so she might be with people she’ll feel comfortable with. Not to mention it’ll give Loona an arc with her joining the group as their lead singer where she finds a passion in rock n roll.

There are so many things that can be done with Loona it’s ridiculous, but I don’t think I can name a single hobby of hers off the top of my head. Reading magazines? Texting? Those barely count, and we don’t see how she befriends the Sinsmas hounds either. We can assume it was at Bee’s party, but what about Loona made them hit it off? Was it her sense of humor? Was it her similar experiences in life? Yes, she is a side character, but when Blitz’s childhood friend gets two whole episodes about him that are a stretch at best I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to see his literal daughter have some development outside of learning to appreciate her father for what he does.

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I want everyone to know I picked Beelzebub and Asmodeus. It's imperative that people know I dislike these two far more than I could ever dislike Stolas. I speed through almost every scene they're in. I am BEGGING Vivienne to give them less screentime next season.

I am wondering...

Both are gonna last a whole week in order to get as many votes as possible. I made a character Tierlist so you can rank the characters if ya want.

Also, I have a room tour if you're interested!

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now we know why the last short was so bad

everyone competent was probably working on the merch drop video /j

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I made a game called Hellbound, kind of inspired by my passion for disliking Helluva Boss's writing as much as I do! It's also about demons and queerness, but this time, I actually include trans people and characters that aren't the same sexuality for once.

You can check it out here :) -> https://sodafrizz-og.itch.io/hellbound

Let me know what you think!! I really like your critiques in general. Hope you have a good day!

I FEEL SO BAD BECAUSE I JUST SAW THIS AND I CAN'T OPEN YOUR PROFILE FOR SOME REASON 🤧 OP if you come across this, I hope you're doing well! I opened the link in my browser and intend to check it out someday :) thank you sooo much for the support of my critiques. I am past the point of feeling shame for my opinions on this *mutters* show, but it's always nice to hear from someone who agrees with me or likes how I yap 🫶

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You know, i'm starting to feel even Spindlehorse didn't like the recent Helluva short as it's been 7 hours since it was upload and they didn't make any post around it on twitter or instagram. Heck there isn't even merch released for it which seems like a sign that they thought it was bad.

From a marketing angle, what could they possibly promote about the episode? It was five minutes long, wasn't particularly angsty or riveting, wasn't funny (aside from the scene where Wriggles gets shot, I guess) and the two titular characters were barely in it. There's nothing to market here. Maybe Wriggles' screaming face will get turned into a sticker or a "Mondays got me like-" t-shirt. If we're lucky, we get some Loona merch that isn't sexualizing her pain/character development for the gooner crowd (yeah I'm still pissed about the Mastermind merch).

Also, not to hijack this ask, but did you guys know that there are people who think there is nothing wrong with the merch despite the context of why Loona is in restraints? It's not consensual BDSM-related merch, it's merch of Loona being actively oppressed and stereotyped, and people are saying "it's fine if you don't have the context of the merch"... even though anyone buying this particular merch is most likely going to have the context.

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Let the record show this as my official review for 'Mission: Orphan Time'.

“It could have been a good short about how Blitzø and Loona are just missing the marks with each other's versions of quality time (Loona obviously not seeing that to Blitzø, assassinations are more than work and are also a means of bonding ; Blitzø failing to see that Loona isn't as invested in murder as he is and sometimes wants a more wholesome father/daughter experience since her entire childhood was the opposite), and could have ended with both of them trying harder to adhere to what the other wants in terms of fun and affection.”

“Instead we got five minutes of Loona running around with some guy and venting her insecurities to him, when that is supposed to be. Her arc. With Blitzø.”

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And you can tell this short was a waste, because of how everyone in the comments is only able to talk about Wriggler (the human's name, i think, idk i was paying as little attention to him as possible). Nobody is saying anything about Loona nor Blitzø (unless it's "i love loona" or "i love their relationship") because there's nothing to say.

Once again, Vivienne is throwing out crumbs and her fanbase is allowing themselves to be sated by it.

WARNING ABOUT THE NEW HELLUVA BOSS SHORT...

It's a waste of fucking time. What do you mean all we get from Loona is "i want to spend more time with my dad" and "i don't think the world would like the real me" which is shit we ALREADY KNEW ABOUT HER, and the rest of the five minutes are about some mr-rogers-ass mofo (sorry mr. rogers) saying goodbye to a bunch of random kids/adults (who are by the way in no sense a parallel to loona, so we can't derive any context about her time in the orphanage or the intricacies of her personality from them). Blitzø was barely in this short, he wasn't even relevant aside from like 10 collective seconds of it being clear he loves Loona and feels bad for not having much time for her (again, shit we ALREADY KNEW).

I know the shorts are supposed to be fun filler to tide us over, but it's not fun that the main show takes way too long to give us character development/focus (especially if that character is a woman) and the shorts don't even give us so much as more worldbuilding (which is what Helluva Boss was supposed to be for in the first place).

At this point I can say that the Ben 10 (reboot) Alien World/Webisode shorts were conceptually better than Vivziepop's. Isn't that crazy, that the extremely childish reboot cartoon that had a pretty small fanbase of people (not just kids) who actively liked it, had better writing and balanced focus than the indie show written by a team of adults that is now backed by one of the biggest streaminh companies in America?

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WARNING ABOUT THE NEW HELLUVA BOSS SHORT...

It's a waste of fucking time. What do you mean all we get from Loona is "i want to spend more time with my dad" and "i don't think the world would like the real me" which is shit we ALREADY KNEW ABOUT HER, and the rest of the five minutes are about some mr-rogers-ass mofo (sorry mr. rogers) saying goodbye to a bunch of random kids/adults (who are by the way in no sense a parallel to loona, so we can't derive any context about her time in the orphanage or the intricacies of her personality from them). Blitzø was barely in this short, he wasn't even relevant aside from like 10 collective seconds of it being clear he loves Loona and feels bad for not having much time for her (again, shit we ALREADY KNEW).

I know the shorts are supposed to be fun filler to tide us over, but it's not fun that the main show takes way too long to give us character development/focus (especially if that character is a woman) and the shorts don't even give us so much as more worldbuilding (which is what Helluva Boss was supposed to be for in the first place).

At this point I can say that the Ben 10 (reboot) Alien World/Webisode shorts were conceptually better than Vivziepop's. Isn't that crazy, that the extremely childish reboot cartoon that had a pretty small fanbase of people (not just kids) who actively liked it, had better writing and balanced focus than the indie show written by a team of adults that is now backed by one of the biggest streaming companies in America?

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Loona: *physically attacks, later kicks her dad straight in the balls (right after she gave a speech to Via about how 'dads try their best')*

Vivziepop: comedy gold 😂👌

Blitzø: *threatens to 🍇 Moxxie & Millie*

Vivziepop: comedy gold 😂👌

Moxxie: *gets SA'ed in Spring Broken*

Vivziepop: comedy gold 😂👌

Sir Pentious: *gets gang 🍇d*

Vivziepop: comedy gold 😂👌

Angel Dust: *gets SA'ed by Val*

Vivziepop: You're supposed to take this seriously

Stella: *attempts to slap Stolas*

Vivziepop: You're supposed to take this seriously

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adding on to the tags, here's a list of shows that have lgbtq+/gender rep that i feel do it leagues better than any of vivziepop's works!

Craig of the Creek (i remember there being a lesbian couple, and i think chelsea is sapphic as well, didn't finish this show so i don't know if there's more)

Fantastic Mr. Fox (it's never said but i think it's pretty clear ash is a trans/nb allegory)

Futurama (didn't finish this show so there may be more, but i know there's an episode where amy's boyfriend gets pregnant and that can be read as intersex portrayal)

Steven Universe (LOADS of sapphic representation, and there's also an explicitly stated nonbinary character in a sapphic relationship once you get to 'steven universe: future')

Sausage Party (i know, i know, but it's crazy that the lesbians in this movie were the least offensive and most tastefully done thing in this entire movie. there's also a gay couple, and the franchise as a whole also often portrays casual bisexuality? guy friends kiss each other and it's not a big deal)

The Cleveland Show + American Dad (again, i KNOW, but they both have gay couples that don't just exist within a gag- the cleveland show does theirs a lot better i feel)

Total Drama (reboot has an explicit gay couple, i don't remember if there's anything implicit in the main series)

Fugget About It (only complaint is in the one episode they keep using 'he' for the transwoman, but she never corrects them so maybe we're to assume she uses multiple pronouns-- and also no one's using 'he' out of malice)

Centaurworld (gay rep!)

Disenchantment (bi/sapphic rep! maybe more, i didn't finish the show and it's beem a long time since i watched it)

Human Resources + Big Mouth (the complaints with these shows are understandable but at the same time they both explore and showcase queer relationships without disrespecting them- as far as i can recall)

Miraculous (tentative to include this one but juleka + rose are canon now and also zoe is lesbian!)

My Little Pony (lyra + bonbon, rainbow dash + applejack, plus i'm pretty sure all if not most of the reformed changelings cam be interpreted as trans rep)

Tomorrow and I (first episode was the best piece of trans fiction i have ever seen in my life.)

Fear Street (lesbian rep! i've only seen the first movie, idk if there's more)

Rocko's Modern Life: Static Cling (trans rep!)

i am so tired of people saying "yeah vivziepop's representation sucks but it's all we have..." because no it is not. if you have amazon prime (which hazbin hotel and soon helluva boss are streaming on) there's at least a handful of shows that do representation better, even if it's in a subtle way. if you're streaming on youtube, there are assuredly a lot of indie creators and short films that have good lgbtq+ rep. vivziepop is far from the only representation any queer person has, if you're claiming it is then i genuinely believe you are not looking.

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"I literally don’t understand the continuation of Chaz merch. I know he’s a popular character, but what’s literally the point of continuing to make merch of him if he’s gone/killed off by Crimson??? Unless if he really wasn’t killed off, but that makes even less sense. I mean, he gets more merch than any other HH/HB character that’s still present."

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