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"Kill yourself" is basic. "I hope your fandom gets a new installment that is objectively a great work but also tonally dissonant from the previous ones in a way that generates a huge newbie boom of people uninterested and hostile towards the history of the franchise" is smart. It's possible. It's terrifying. It's happening right now.

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Me thinking: “Camp Here & There”… what an odd name for a camp. What does it even mean? It’s both here… and there? Quantum superposition’d, what is this, Schrödinger’s campgrounds? Hehe. While the cat is inside the campgrounds its both alive and dead, we won’t know until it’s observed outside of—

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hello. so I don't know jack shit about the meta plot of chnt. i haven't read any of the episodes descriptions or anything. do NOT know what the entity numbers or anything mean. what the hell is the limn. i don't know. so would you mind. giving me the run down,? As much as you'd like to

bett im literally so excited im twirling you around and shit thank you so much for asking Okay so obligatory: this is all completely from my observation and despite my best attempts to be factual and objective will likely contain personal bias in one way or another and in no way shape or form is reflective of what these things will actually be/are in the canon of the show. Wonderful

Firstly may I highly suggest you read the episode descriptions they are 1) Hilarious, 2) Incredibly interesting and 3) Make you feel like you're in the 2012-2015 early Gravity Falls fandom solving the mysteries and decoding the ciphers. Obviously not necessary but I've been absolutely enthralled and have had the time of my life theorising and such!!!!! :]

Basically, each episode has a description that follows a format like this:

"Major insight" is data (for lack of a better word?) in reference to the major themes/events/interactions/etc of the episode, while "minor insight" is the same but for smaller, background, or implied (but not necessarily less important) themes/events/interactions/etc. While the rest of the description is for the majority written in objective third person, "Important notes" is written entirely in first person and in such a manner that implies a new and outside presence—From which we know who the agents are!!!!!! Everybody cheered!!!!!!!!

If you follow the happenings with the show and sort of red string board connect them to the dot points within the episode descriptions, you begin to notice patterns, and decode who is who and what is what.

For example, in the episode 1 description, you can figure out what SITE2 is based on the key words "status, layout, and daily procedure". You know it's a... Well, site, or place, and episode 1 takes place entirely within the camp (as far as I remember), and contains all of the above in Sydney's announcements! Logic!!!!

I've been keeping note of this since about late 2023? Here's my observations of who each entity, each site, and each anomaly is being referred to, based on the method I just described:

There's some gaps here and there because I haven't reviewed these in a while, but pretty comprehensive, right? (Also, some of the "entities" switched places within the descriptions which was a pain in the ass to figure out, so I haven't included them to spare you from being overwhelmed?? Of coooourse I encourage you to delve into it of your own accord though :)))) Just know that the ones I listed here is the most current (within the canon) version)

Also using this method, we can begin to figure out what the hell all these things mean, cause right now it just looks cryptic for the sake of being cryptic. Just to fit with the theme of the show. BUT ALAS!!!!!

The first thing here I want to say is that the limn is an Event that in one way or another had weird wacky time-space-reality-altering properties within the universe of CHNT, of which the agents seem to be investigating. The leading theory, and most likely one, as far as I'm aware, is that it's Sydney's reanimation. (Y'know, because of true necromancy being impossible, The Clocks, all that stuff)

In this, the ENTITIES then appear to be a list of the leading suspects for who caused the limn, with 1 being the top suspect and 13 the bottom. Golly gee I sure do wonder why Jedidiah is ENTITY1, then. I suuuuure do wonder.

The ANOMALIES are a little harder to figure out. They're the weird, mostly non-human, supernatural beings that appear. My personal theory is that ENTITIES existed pre-limn, and ANOMALIES existed post-limn, but of course we can never be sure. Until. You know. But also they're the ones I'm the least certain of, and I think the fandom as a whole is also... But we ball.

There's a few noteworthy parts of this, though. ENTITY0?? What the hell does that mean?? If it's a list of the top suspects, how and why the fuck is it in the negatives. Up and Adam is, you know, a demon, so I guess I can cut him some slack there, but I have a feeling this will be covered in season 2 so I won't speculate too hard on it. For now!!!!!! The other part I wanted to touch on is Matthew's placement. I don't really have anything other to say about it than What The Fuck Is He. Also something that will probably be explored later.

The SITES seem to just be pretty self-explanatory.

All of this to say... Who cares? Why do these 'agents' care about all this? Who even are these guys? So, within the episode descriptions, particularly within the "important notes" section, we get references to AGENT1, AGENT7, AGENT15, AGENT16, and AGENT23. The first reference to one of these guys is in episode 5:

In episode 8, AGENT15 and AGENT16 are referenced, as well as AGENT1. In this episode, Tony 1 and Tony 2 appear. Therefore, we know that they are AGENT15 and AGENT16. The ever-elusive AGENT1 remains ever-elusive.

The first and only reference to an AGENT7 is in the last episode (33/34). Evidently self-referential, and thus we can infer AGENT7 is the one writing the episode descriptions

However, the episodes aren't episodes. They're FILEs. They're named as such. FILE1, FILE2, and so on. They're written as one would an corporate file (there's even a line in the "descriptions" where AGENT7 says that AGENT23 should stop giving the FILEs such whimsical titles because they're serious and not a fairytale. Or something).

If I'm not mistaken, all we really know about AGENT7 and AGENT23 personality-wise is that "AGENT7 is really serious" and "AGENT23 is really silly" per one of the old season 2 fundraiser streams. This is reflective in... Well, I'll let you schmooze around in the descriptions yourself :] They're hilarious I pinky promise.

There also appears to be a hierarchy, which I personally think is, again, in number order (based off of context clues), with AGENT1 being the top of the food chain or being the boss or what have you, followed by AGENT7, then AGENT15 & 16 (Tony and Tony), followed by AGENT23. I assume there's other AGENTS that fill the gaps in between, too, based off of the FILE14 Important Notes section.

If you're curious also,,, the leading theory as far as I'm aware for who AGENT1 is is that they're Lucille. But that's a whoooooole other can of worms.

Naturally, this is all kind of to say someone is listening. You are listening. (The tape recorder clicks you hear are meta. The static and scratchy AM radio-type noise you hear at the start of episodes is meta. Think of all the implications. The ramifications. THE RAMMIES BRO!!!!! They're everywhere.) They're investigating the weirdness of camp, as far as I know, cataloguing the lives of the cast, particularly our two leads.

The biggest question from all this is why, to what end?

Anyway go forth and come to your own conclusions, your own answers, your own theories!!! If you wish. If you do not wish that is totally cool. If you do wish we can frolic in the fields together and in earnest stress pace a meeting room pouring over a comically untidy red string board or something

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Oh, to fill one's lungs and mind with water...

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Do NOT pass the fiction horror podcast enjoyer the aux! They'll just start playing AMEN I'M ONLY A MAN HOWLING AT YOUR FACE ON THE MOON HOT DAMN BUT NO HOLY MAN KNEELING IN-

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Syd and Jeddie contrapuntal poem :,] I'm usually pretty cagey with my poetry but I think I've been getting more confident lately and I'm pretty happy with how this turned out (I think)

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The sudden headcanon that Joshua LOVES t-shirts like these

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“if you’re sensitive to sounds when sleeping, just use earplugs!” i cannot stress enough that the sensory feeling of having my ears fully blocked AND now being able to hear my own heartbeat and breathing and every other sound that’s happening inside my own body is a million times worse than whatever ambient noise may be keeping me awake

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CHNT Episode 37 spoilers:

CW: Suicide

I AUDIBLY GASPED WHEN ADAM SAID "WHY DON'T YOU JUST KILL YOURSELF"

I'VE HAD A THEORY THAT SYDNEY'S DEATH WAS CAUSED BY A SUICIDE ATTEMPT BUT I DIDN'T ACTUALLY THINK MY THEORY WOULD HAVE MUCH CREDENCE

SYDNEY FEELING PHYSICAL PAIN AT THE THOUGHT OF DYING???

AND SYDNEY GOING TO THE LAKE AND SAYING THAT HE'D LIKE FOR THE WATER TO FILL HIS LUNGS AND HE ONLY STAYS ALIVE FOR JEDIDIAH

OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT THE FUCK

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i do not know to what degree spotify comments are representative of the camp here and there fandom but i’ve seen a few people saying things along the lines of “elijah’s manipulating sydney into betraying jedidiah!!” about episodes 22 and 23 and i want to talk about it because it’s bothering me.

is elijah manipulative as hell? oh yeah! abso-fucking -lutely! but sydney is smart. he knows what elijah is doing. he literally says it himself listening back to the tape of their first meeting- no matter how much he means it when he tells sydney he loves him, the effect elijah has on sydney means there’s a danger here.

but. but. when elijah says that jedidiah has hurt sydney deeply and that sydney deserves better than him, is he wrong? as much as jedidiah tells sydney he loves him, he never shows it when it matters. he has been distant, he has been secretive, he has been straight up cruel to sydney, and none of his apologies have actually lasted longer than the moment he said them. it’s guilt with no direction and love with no action. he’s doing exactly what he did as a kid watching over a fruit fly.

anyway the gist of it is that this take bothers me because it undermines sydney’s autonomy in this situation. yes, he is being manipulated, but given the choice between jedidiah and lucille trying to control him through coldness and refusal of honesty and someone who seems to genuinely love him and want to be around him, can you really blame him? it’s not a good choice - it’s a self-destructive choice - but it is a choice, the first meaningful one sydney has felt like he’s been able to make in a long time. sydney is trying to find anything in his life that he can control, and he’s found it in the choice between two terrible people.

thank you for coming to my ted talk

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Elijah: I can fix him

Jedidiah: I already fixed him and he owes me for that

Adam: I can make him worse

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rahh thanks for tagging meee

i’d say probably the whole camp here and there album because the podcast has overtaken my LIFE

open tagzz

new chain!!! name a song that's been your mentality rn >:)

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one of my favorite things about looking at any pictures of the tapeworms is how completely normal matt berger looks. like, will is will, mike bottiglieri is the most beautiful man you’ve ever seen, mario conte is a tatted up benevolent forest imp, vater boris is mysterious and vaguely ominous, and matt is just. there. straight faced, in a t-shirt. the platonic ideal of A Guy.

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it looks like someone plucked him off the subway and handed him a saxophone. it’s fascinating.

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This one really took off on TikTok. I knew people would appreciate it cause the Camp Here & There songs haven’t really been played live much, but I didn’t think it’d take off as much as it did.

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camp say and gex...........

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Yes, thank you, Google AI. How very helpful of you. I'm glad that you told me about the Disney+ animated show, Camp Here and There featuring bisexual Adam and bi-curious "Up." However would I have known if you hadn't.